H.I. No. 93: Mr. Chompers

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"Mr. Chompers"
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Episode 93 on the podcast YouTube channel
Episode no.93
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Original release dateNovember 30, 2017 (2017-November-30)
Running time01:51:32
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"H.I. #93: Mr. Chompers" is the 93rd episode of Hello Internet, released on November 30, 2017.[1]

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Grey and Brady discuss: cute puppy photos, HI hotstopper distribution, inspiring kids with the right stuff, Periodic Videos approaches one million subscribers, the state of our YouTube channels, the delivery cartel, adpocalypse eternal, and the crossing of corners.

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We drive the listeners crazy because we love them. I do never say it's being surprised by how bad your spelling is behind the scenes. It seems like it's not your strongest suit. I would say that spelling is perhaps my weakest suit. Way better at socializing at big parties. Probably way better at skydiving than I am at spelling. My method of spelling words is just type quickly. Type quickly whatever comes into your head first. What I'm about to say, of course, as a former teacher, I would never endorse that students do what I'm about to say that I did when I was a student. But when I was back in high school and middle school, I would cheat the hell out of spelling tests. How would you cheat? One of the years I had a home room class that then rolled over into an English class. And so I would be able to just write very lightly in pencil some of the spelling words that any were going to be on the test or the likely spelling words that were going to be on the test. Or it can seal them somewhere else. I think most industrious kids know if you really put your mind to it, it's not super hard to cheat if you're not in a standardized test environment. And there's any kind of regularity to it. But here's the thing. The reason I felt no guilt about cheating is because I could only cheat my way to like a 50% score. If I wasn't cheating, I would get like a 20% score on the spelling. It would have been atrocious. But if I had cheated my way into like, oh, wow, I got an 80% this week, it would be way too obvious. Right? I would have been caught for cheating immediately because it would be so obvious that there's no way this kid actually did it. So I felt like I cheated myself into a less bad failing grade to try to not entirely pull down my grade average for the class on a whole. So that was my history with spelling in school. Normally between you and I, there is a one way flow of pictures of cute puppies. I often send you pictures of Audrey and Lulu in action and stuff like that. But everything has changed. You have been sending me videos and pictures of you playing with a super, super cute dog. What is going on? Tell people what is happening in your world. What is happening in my world is not what the listeners are probably imagining. I have not gotten a dog. The Gray family has no intention to get a dog yet. But we make decisions. Not promises for our future selves, but for the moment we've decided that we're not going to get a dog. But we talked our way into dog sitting, our neighbor's new puppy. I have been like a stay-at-home doggy dad for the past week, taking care of a little bulldog breed puppy who is very cute. And I feel like someone who has a baby and then can't help but just send photos of the baby to everyone in the world. I think I have sent photos and videos of this little dog to lots of people. Lots of people like on social boundaries. Should I really reset this person to picture of the dog? What the dog is so cute. Why can't I send this photograph? There has been an exodus of dog photos and videos from my phone to many other people. I can see how your wife would get herself into dog sitting. I cannot see how you would have agreed to this. It seems like something you wouldn't do. You're a nice guy. Right. I can't say you were agreeing to dox it. Like someone else's dog. Okay, so I have to ask you this because when I have sent out these pictures to people, I have gotten universal feedback, which is exactly what you're expressing, which is I don't understand why or how you've agreed to this. And to me, I feel like my only response is, what do you mean why would someone agree to this? I can barely understand. What do you think is the reason that I wouldn't do this? It's such an encroachment upon your time and your space for something that is not yours. And I know you've been involved. It's not just like you've been keeping an eye on it. You've been training it, trying to make it a better dog, a better puppy. Very important. It sounds like it's been, and I know it's encroached on your ability to do other things in your normal cause of your day. You've made it sound like it's become a real big thing in your life for whatever period you're doing this for. And that just seems like something that you would be reluctant to agree to. You're so organized and set in your ways and like to organize your time. And you're quite like a self-contained unit. This is true. Like you don't seem like someone who does lots and lots of things for the benefit of other people. And yet this dog-sitting thing goes against that. And I get you get like some fun times and cuteness out of it. But I wouldn't have thought that would have been enough to have overcome all your other traits. I guess I could see that. On the other hand, puppies are great. Yeah. My parents mostly let it, but I helped out with the training of Lucy. My parents dog when she was a little puppy. That was the first time I ever had any experience doing formal dog training. And so I found that a really interesting experience. And as I've mentioned many times in the podcast, like a helpful experience. Yeah, looking back now, you do talk about that season. I'll show a lot, don't you? And you have got a bit of an interesting dog training. Now I think about it. Yeah, actually, we can revisit that in a moment. But so this to me is now another little step up of the ratchet, where it's like, oh, now there's a dog that I have total responsibility for for huge portions of the day. And so that's a very different level of behavior training. And I personally just find that very interesting. But I will say, you are 100% right when you talk about an encroachment into my life. Because in the main room of our house, the room where we have the kitchen and like a couch and space to watch TV, the main living area of the house, 40% of that floor space is now taken up by a doggy pen that we got for this dog and dog sitting, which contains within it a doggy bed and many doggy toys. We also got a harness for the little dog and a leash. We've purchased many, many things for this puppy. So you purchased them. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, I like. How do you recommend this? Are you just doing something temporarily while they went to like Europe for a week or is this while they go to their job every day? You've said, I will care for your dog during the day. Well, you do your normal job every day of your life. So basically, I'm taking care of the dog during the day. This is what we've signed up for is the puppy is very, very young. He's about 10 weeks old now. Give it a name. What's his name? Oh, I mean, for the privacy sake for the dog, I don't want to give his name. That's true. That's true. Safety gray, safety. Yeah. I'm going to call him Mr. Chompers because he chomps on absolutely everything. And that's, that is the number one behavior that we're working on right now. Is that Mr. Chompers has to get less choppy? Is Mr. Chompers chomping your personal possessions? No, no. He's very good about that actually. Mr. Chompers favorite thing to chomp our hands. I would count your hands as your personal possessions, but I'll see what you mean. No, they're just, they're just part of the meat sack that I live in. They're personal possessions. That's a very different thing. But yes, so Mr. Chompers, we're doing lots of redirection. I know you chew on toys and it's great to see him learn over time and change his behavior. Like I find that very rewarding. I was like the most proud father in the world the very first day when he went on his own and picked up one of his chew toys instead of having to be directed towards the chew toy. Like this is very, very young puppy behavior where they're just, you know, it's very hard to train them at this stage. But no, I'm taking care of him during the day and I will say that I suspect that we were like angels from heaven descended upon these neighbors of hours with their dog because they had taken a bunch of time off work to be around Mr. Chompers. And then they had to go back to work and they were trying to arrange like some things with their other family and like daycare situation like a whole bunch of other stuff. And then we showed up like, hey, I work from home. I can look after Mr. Chompers and I'm more than happy, yay, nay, delighted to help out with the training while he's a little puppy for a while. But how do you get out of this now? Like at what point do you say, okay, I'm not having a dog anymore. Have you put any kind of expiration date on this agreement or? Yeah, the implied expiration date is just when he's old enough to actually be able to be left alone for some period of time. Like he's just, he's too young as a puppy to be on his own all day. So like they have to do something with him. And so this way, like he doesn't have to go into like a doggy daycare facility for the day. I can just go, I can just go pick him up, bring him to my place, drop him off, and then have this little puppy be essentially an all-consuming focus of my life for the entire day. It's exhausting. It's genuinely exhausting. Is there any concern you're going to get into one of these like cliched sort of surrogate mother type positions when they say, okay, it's time for us to have our dog back and you're going to be like, your dog. I'm the one who's brought it up and tore it to shoot toys and like, no, no, no, we see, so this is, this is the thing that nobody understands, right? This is the best way to have a dog is the ability to give him back at the end of the day or like this weekend, right? We don't have, we don't have Mr. Chomper's this weekend because he is with his actual parents. I was like, oh wow, my wife and I now have like, look at this, look at all of this space we have. We can collapse the whole, the whole dog pen situation. We can put it off to the side. We can just relax. It's great. Like I feel like this is, this is what, this is what Brady, grandparents are always talking about, right? When they're like, oh, grandkids are better than real kids because you get to give the grandchildren back, but you also get to spend some time with the grandkids. But do you find yourself sitting around ever thinking, oh, I wish Mr. Chomper's was here? We do wonder what Mr. Chomper's is up to. Yeah. I wonder what he's doing right now. We've definitely reviewed Mr. Chomper's videos that we've taken in photographs because Brady, at this age, they grow up so fast. Like he's legitimately bigger every day and now that I will, I will not have seen him for a long weekend when I see Mr. Chomper's tomorrow. He's going to be, he's going to be so much bigger already. You have to cherish the time that you have with them when they're young. Are you dealing with poo and whey? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We have in the house. Yeah. Well, we're doing pittal pads. He's not, he's not potty trained yet. So we're doing the pittal pads on the floor for now. So we have that all, we have that laid out. A little dog goes through mountains of pittal pads. So yeah, that's that's a situation. Have you had to pick up a poo yet? Yeah, I've picked up poo. That's what you do with dogs. Oh, man, I would, I will pay you 50 pounds for a video of you picking up a poo. Why? I just kind of mentioned you're doing it. We want one of those little dog poo bag dispensers in the shape of a bone, so you can pull out a little dog poo bag. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about the kind of pocket. Yeah. So yeah, we've just got one of those. I take, I take Mr. Chompers out for walks. We're trying to train him to go the bathroom outside and say, yeah, he picked up poo. That's what you do with with little dogs. You have to change. We have to organize a Mr. Chompers Audrey Playdate. Oh, yeah. Does she do well with other dogs? Depends on the dog. She's quite territorial, but away from home, she's pretty friendly with old dogs. In her park, only certain dogs are allowed. Right. Of course. Of course. I forget that Audrey does own that park. It is hers. She does say, but away from home, she's pretty cool with old dogs. And she gets used to any dog within about a minute. Well, socializing is an important part of puppy life, but this is absolutely not moved, the your own personal needle for getting a dog at some point. Oh, you know, I can see at some point in the future, we get a dog. I don't see it in the near future for a whole variety of reasons. And again, everybody says to me, they're like, oh, you know, oh, you've adopted somebody else's dog essentially during the day. Like you're going to you're going to have a dog within weeks. And my my view on this is the exact opposite. We are in fact, satiating our doggy needs. Right. We are not amplifying doggy needs. We'll see. Once your Mr. Chompers access is no longer on tap, you may feel differently. Hot stoppers. I don't think we've got to the end game yet, but I have now activated the section of the Hello Internet Patreon page. So that any existing patrons and any future patrons can provide a postal address like they can fill in a postal address section now. And if they decide to do so, it's a voluntary thing, obviously. But if they decide to do so, they will be going into a specially devised semi random ballot. And I will occasionally be sending out random hot stoppers to people and they will just arrive unexpectedly like a like a gift from Santa Claus. I will not be emailing or informing people that they are coming. Right. Partly because I like the surprise. And partly because if I did do that and then for some reason, someone gets lost in the post, right. I get back to that original problem that I'm trying to avoid of administration. So you would not know it's coming. Right. Now we get back to fulfillment problems. Exactly. Even though it's like a free gift, people will still get upset if I email them and say, you've got one coming and then it doesn't arrive. So I'm not doing that. I think that's great. Remind me, Braini. There's a thing I want to talk to you after the show, after we're done recording about about that, about what to do with that. Except I've been thinking about something along those lines. But I do have to say it was very interesting reading through the feedback. I always really like it to see all the feedback in the Reddit and people coming up with ideas about what to do. I'm going to stay away from any specific solutions right now. But what I will say, my general feeling reading through people's ideas is I was aware. I was aware of myself getting pulled toward and sort of repelled away from two kinds of ideas. I really liked all the ideas that people had that were just fun ideas. Like some people came up with some fun, possibly impractical and maybe not really doable ideas, but just like fun things. What could you do with a thousand hot stoppers? People came up with great ideas. And I just found it interesting that even though my question was help us solve this economic problem last time, I found myself repelled away a little bit from the actual solutions to this problem. Like there were a couple of really good write-ups where people were going through like, oh, here's how you can solve this problem in a very efficient way. And just that. No, I think these are, these are whimsical hot stoppers. I agree. I think these should be used in some kind of fun way. I also think a lot of the suggestions I read indicated to me that people hadn't really understood the problem. And they were saying, oh, no, no, this is, this is an easy problem. Just like set this price and do this and organize this distribution person. And like they just then outlined a solution, which was the exact thing I was trying to avoid, which was a whole big thing. Right. So it's still unresolved. But you've got yours now, though. I did send you some. Yes. What are your thoughts now that you've seen them in the real life flesh? I absolutely love that. The plastic. They're not actually made of flesh, of course. That would be weird. The flesh hot stoppers. If that, if I... I.K.A fingers. Yeah, I'd hope it opened up an envelope and gotten some flesh piece of hot stoppers. I don't think we would have recorded this podcast right now. The current relationship would be terminated. Mr. Chompers would have liked them. No, we can't train Mr. Chompers on human flesh. That would be very much against the training that we're working very hard with him. No joking about Mr. Chompers training. Sorry. It's absolutely serious. No, it's great seeing them as a whole big bunch. And I feel like it compels the mind with fun ideas, seeing a big bunch of hot stoppers like that. Have you actually used one, though, to stop hotness? I have not yet used one to stop hotness. I promise when I do use the first hot stopper to stop hotness, I'll post it up on on Twitter or on my second channel somewhere. So people can see the virgin use of a hot stopper. So many people have responded to it. I guess we should just shout out to all the people who had something to say about our discussion last episode about the astronauts dressing up for Halloween. I've got to say, yeah, there was so much feedback about this. And this is also one of those moments where even after what we've been doing this show together now, what, 10 years? My ability to predict what people are going to comment on about in the show. I feel like it's not even bad. It's like my predictions are exactly opposite. If we just reversed what my predictions would be, that would be the truth. And I thought, oh, the astronaut thing, no one was probably going to talk about that. And then I was deeply concerned, like, oh, my, there's going to be so much feedback about the 9-11 memorial. It's like that 9-11 memorial thumbs down. I don't like it. It stinks. And it's like, feedback. A couple of comments that agree and mostly silence the silence, right? But astronauts dressed up as a minion is like, boom, so much feedback, so much feedback. And I felt like you were kind of backed into a corner by a lot of that feedback. I mean, I feel like I brought upon myself to a degree because I was quite flamboyant about it. You know, I was quite over the top in my criticism. Maybe that caused some of the pushback. But also, it was overwhelmingly, people disagree with my position. They disagree that it was silly and wrong for them to dress up as Spider-Man and minions and that. I've read almost all of the feedback. And I have to say, having read all the feedback and absorbed it, taken in what people had to say, I'm pretty much unmoved from my position. I still think, I think all the people responding have maybe misunderstood, that they've definitely have misunderstood some of my criticism because I certainly don't really blame the astronauts for it. For some people, I felt like we're going into back for the astronauts. But I also think some of the feedback was maybe a little naive as to how NASA works and life on the space station works and how tightly controlled the media operation is with anything NASA-related. I think people had in their minds the idea that the astronauts were sitting around on the ISS, drinking their morning coffee, you know, their day off on Halloween, thinking about what to do. And came up with the idea that they were going to do a fun thing and take a photograph of it. Then if you are complaining about them in their Halloween costumes, it seems like you are the world's biggest Grinch. But it's okay, these guys who want to break, they should be allowed to just, you know, be themselves. Yeah, there was an enormous amount of shouldn't astronauts be allowed to have spare time on the ISS. And I think this really drives to the heart about what's occurring here. Like if you think this is a spontaneous outburst from the astronauts and they were just doing a thing because it was fun to them, like, yeah, no one in the world is going to have a problem with that. But I think, you know, even I who do not follow space very much know that their time is incredibly regulated on there. Like they are so scheduled that my, you know, maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be willing to bet my entire net worth that those things are scheduled zaniness for PR purposes. That's what it is. And I think that that's the feedback that you were getting is the idea. Like if it's genuine, then you, you are like a monster. But if it's scheduled zaniness, that's a very different, that's a very different thing. Yeah, if these people, you know, took this stuff up because they wanted to do something for their own kids or something. Okay, if you want to go with that story, you can go with it. But like they're there in the, they're there in the PR position, all as like the group in front of the TV camera for the scheduled downlink. Like this was not something that just happened and someone down at Mission Control said, oh, that's classic. Let's, let's grab this for the cameras as well. Yeah. Like this was an, this was an magical spongebob. Yeah, the other argument that really, all the arguments people were making, I didn't really agree with, but you know, you know, to be unfair, I have the microphone. So it's not fair that I just, you know, they have to have this as well. And I have read this, say, but this whole thing about our even astronauts need to relax and decompress and do fun things. Like of course, that of course, and astronauts do have a lot of time off on the space station. And their time off is very protected by the way. Like getting, getting, you know, getting someone to do work on the space station during their break is a, is a big deal. They do have a lot of their own time and films and things to do. And, and the other thing that again was driving me a bit crazy was this whole inspiring kids like, I don't think that's the way to inspire kids to become an astronaut. And if it, if it is the way to inspire kids to become an astronaut, I'm a bit worried about the sort of people who want to become astronauts. Oh my God. Like, like people are saying, oh, some kiddressed as Spider-Man will take a lot of inspiration from seeing an astronaut dressed up as Spider-Man. That was, kid stress up as astronauts. That's what kid stress up as. They don't need to look up at the astronauts and see them dressing up as Spider-Man. So anyway, anyway, look, I don't want to like, dredge it all up again. I've read, I've read all the feedback and like, I get that people disagree and I'm yet to read something that has made me change my mind. I think I have dealt with astronauts and international space station things before and they are very tightly controlled. All the photos and the videos that come down, anything that's publicly released has layers upon layers of bureaucracy involved. And if you think this was just a bunch of cheeky astronauts doing something for fun and then saying, look what we did, know when you bought what we were up to. Maybe you're right, I don't know, I don't know the actual details of this case, but I would be very, very surprised by that. There is an item in our show notes, which I think is maybe one of the oldest things in our show notes that I know I listed in one of the for like their first 10 episodes, which was this this very idea of like inspiring someone to become an astronaut. And like, I just will never actually really do it as a full topic. So I'll just mention it now, but like, I find that stuff crazy making because like, we, you know, my feeling is always like, guess what? Hard things are hard. Do you want to become an astronaut? It's hard. Like, this is one of the hardest career paths you could go down. And I remember this like so much in the sciences of this, this idea of like, we want to encourage more people to do physics. And it's like, oh, okay, great. What's your plan? How do you want to make more people do physics? Right? Because physics graduates are super valuable. And the answer was always the same thing. The answer was, oh, well, we're going to inspire more people to go into physics by dumbing down the physics, right? By doing all kinds of demos and flashy stuff that has nothing to do with what actual physics is. And okay, if this even works, it's just a, it's just a trick, right? Like, you, you are hoodwinking someone into a career in which they're totally going to fail or do poorly. Because like, guess what? Physics is actually a whole bunch of math. And I feel so strongly about it because, like, the whole reason why as a kid, I felt, quote, inspired to go into physics was precisely because it felt like a sanctuary of like, oh, thank God. Like, here's a subject that is just hard, but it's also clear and crisp. And there's no ambiguity. And there's no nonsense. And so like, I always worry that this kind of stuff actually pushes away the kinds of people that you want to go into those fields. And, and anybody that it encourages, it's not actually helpful. Like, I totally agree with you. Like, if some kid sees an astronaut dressed up as Spider-Man and decides that he's going to become an astronaut based on that, like, that kid's not going to be an astronaut, right? It's not going to happen. No, they're probably not cut from the right cloth. Yeah. But I mean, I can, I can see a counter argument. I can see a counter argument that maybe there will be a bunch of people who will be reached by this photo that had never considered Error Space before. And this is the, this was the tiny little spark that lit the fire. And when they looked into it further, they found other things that were more legitimate about Error Space that appealed to them. So I think there is an alternative argument. But the thing is, astronaut is a job that hasn't even got that problem. Because astronauts like going, going massive fiery rockets in there in this extreme environment and everything about the astronaut job is quite kind of sexy. Anyway, it's not like a job where there's like a porosity of applicants. Yeah. I'm willing to bet there are way more people applying to astronaut school than astronaut school of Lezion. It's really, really hard to become an astronaut because everybody wants to do it. So they don't, they have no PR problem here. Right. And also, and so, you know, do you think people want to become basketballers? Because they once saw Michael Jordan dress up as Spider-Man? No, they saw him playing basketball and thought, wow, playing basketball looks awesome. I want to be a basketballer. It's the same for the astronauts. Just being astronauts is cool enough. But there is this weird idea of like, oh, we're going to get people to go do a thing by showing them the thing in a way that it isn't. That's a terrible idea. But yeah, the astronaut school way over subscribed. I think they're turning a lot of people away at the gate. Like, I'm sorry, we can't let you into astronaut school because so many people who are applying. Like, guess what? We need to take the best of the best. Like, you need to be super smart and an incredible physical condition in order to get into astronaut school. The right stuff they go up. Hello, Internet. Is there a career that you want to inspire kids to go into? Well, the best way you're going to reach the kids these days or anybody is by building a website. And as you know, there's only one place you want to go to build your website. And that's Squarespace. Squarespace is the all in one solution that allows you to create a beautiful website without any hassles. Whatever idea you have in your head that you want to turn into a website, you can use Squarespace to take that idea and showcase your work, write a blog or publish other serialized content, perhaps a podcast even, or sell products online. Squarespace makes this easy to do by giving you access to beautiful templates created by world class designers, a powerful built in e-commerce functionality that lets you sell anything online. And the ability to customize the look and feel and settings and everything just by clicking and dragging. There's no need to learn HTML and figure out how to properly close that blank tag with Squarespace. Nope, just click, click, click and you get it exactly the way you want it to look. And if you have any trouble at all, just reach out to Squarespace's 24-7 award-winning customer support. So if you're ready to take your idea and make it real, just go to squarespace.com slash hello and get a 10% discount. That's squarespace.com slash hello where you can sign up for free for 14 days and receive 10% off your first purchase. Squarespace, think it, dream it, make it. Last episode I asked feedback on whether or not normal photography settings can trigger an epileptic seizure. And I'm here to report that the feedback I received was exactly zero items of feedback. All right, nothing. I heard absolutely nothing. And... What are you saying you're saying people with epilepsy are not interactive? Yes, yes, Brady. That's the correct conclusion to draw. No, what I'm lazy. You are lazy people with epilepsy. You should be on the reddit helping us out. On a podcast, if you ask for feedback and you know, the audience is Hello and Shredoani. Like you're going to get a lot of feedback. I think there is probably nothing that people would love to talk about more than their own medical problems. Like so you're asking for medical problem feedback is like, bam, people love that conversation. Like let me tell you all about all my medical problems. Right? They're like, oh my god, I have a cousin with this exact medical problem. So my feeling that like I heard nothing just just tumbleweeds on an infinite oasis. It was nothing. It just 100% confirmed to me that this is one of these many fake safety things. That someone has the idea that this can occur. This is the camera flashes. This is the camera single camera flashes causing a problem during school photos. Yeah. This idea is written down because someone just thinks it's a possibility. And then it's like an idea that spreads and mistastocizes across a whole variety of industries because nobody wants to be the person who contradicts the idea that like a camera flash can cause an epileptic seizure. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this week will be the actual feedback, but I'm guessing not. I'm guessing not on that one. Fake safety. And by the way, all the people who have admonished Grey and I for causing a problem in their productivity and workflow because we introduced them to that paperclip game, you will get no apology from us because we could not have warned you anymore that that game would take a lot of your time. But my goodness a lot of people seem to have gotten into that. Oh my god. I have to say I did really enjoy that because I feel like this has happened enough in my own life. My name is my own business. And then something blows a tremendous productivity whole right through the center of my life. I think everybody knows this experience. And I did get some some unreasonable amount of joy from seeing all the people we're applying on Twitter saying like, I know that you warned me. But nonetheless, I had no idea. Right. It's like I lost two days. So I feel like we were 100% in the clear on that because yes, we could we could not have warned more clearly. But people still click the button. And many of them click the button in situations that they totally knew they shouldn't have clicked it. But there you go. So Universal Paperclips. It is spreading, replicating throughout the world. I had a nice little bit of feedback because the person who made the game, this is Frank Frank Lance. And he tweeted to the soon after the podcast came out, I can't believe I got the number file guy. I'm so happy right now. Oh, that's great. That's great. So he feels like he's fishing in the world as well. Right. Who else can I catch in my hook? I told him that he was responsible for probably preventing the release of possibly two number file videos as a result of making that guy. Yeah. That's great. Oh, actually, you know what? There was something that was really grinding my gears over the feedback on this that I just want to mention before I forget. And it was this. Okay. So listeners, I need to explain something about podcasts and conversations to you right now. Just just because a thing is not explicitly mentioned does not mean that Brady and I do not know about the thing. And I saw so many comments from people who were saying a variation of I can't believe that Gray doesn't know about cow clicker games or idle games. Like, I can't believe he's never come across one of these things before. That is outrageous and shocking to me that he's never seen a game in this in this genre before. How ridiculous and then like showing me a bunch of these different things. I feel like like when we were having that conversation, I was making reference to these other like game mechanics that are quite cheap. I was like, guys, that's what I was referring to. Or even if I didn't say that, it's like, yes, it would be quite shocking if someone who likes games a lot had never come across one of these games. But like, the amount of feedback, I don't know, there's just there's something about this that drives me crazy. Cry, you know better than this by now. I know. The internet exists for people to try to say they know something that someone else does. I know. I know. But I just as I'm saying it out loud, I'm just realizing I have to recategorize this in my mind as the you forgot to mention feedback on the videos, right, which also drives me crazy. Or it's like, yeah, I started with 20,000 words and it went down to a thousand words. Like, it trust me. I didn't forget to mention a thing, like the most obvious thing. So the only thing that would have been more annoying is if someone said, oh, this is stupid podcast X talked about this game three weeks ago. So someone else has already spoken about this. Therefore, it is forbidden to speak about it ever again. Yeah. Yeah. That would be another kind of feedback. So I just I just want to mention right now, like I have played a lot of these kind of games and I don't like all of them. If if you listen to that section about Universal Paperclips and you were thinking, oh, this is just another one of these clicker type games, I just want to make it really clear. This game validates the existence of the entire genre, which I think is mostly boring and a kind of a kind of psychological unfunness trap. But like this game is different. So if you heard that and you didn't didn't try it because you know what kind of game we're talking about, tried anyway. Like I really, really think this is this is the diamond in the rough for this genre. Can I plug something of mine? What would you like to plug, Brady? I want to plug one of my oldest YouTube channels, which is Periodic Videos, which is my chemistry YouTube channel. And I want to plug it for a very specific reason. And that is Professor Sir Martin Poliakoff, who is the star of most of the videos. He's the professor with the Big Fuzzy Grey hair. I've been working with him for many, many years. He's a dear friend. He's also he's also responsible for a lot of my other subsequent work like he's been a key plank in a lot of my channels getting to where they've gotten. So he's been a very important part of my YouTube career. He is turning 70 years old in the next week or two as we are recording now. I think let me check his birthday. Yeah. Get 16th of December. On the 16th of December, he is turning 70. This is in the in the year 2017 if you're listening in the far future. So and like you know, I don't we don't get each other birthday presents or anything. But if there's one thing that Sir Martin is truly obsessed with, it is periodic videos YouTube channel statistics. He like he follows them much more than a distinguished professor with lots of responsibilities. He should be following YouTube statistics. And anytime we reach any milestone or about to reach any milestone or anything happens across numerous videos, he'll be like, well, this video we made two years ago just passed a million views. And like he's he's watching day and night. He's got his eye on the ball. He's got his eye on the ball. And almost exactly on his 70th birthday, periodic videos, the channel is due to hit, you know, probably the milestone of milestones that are YouTube channel hits. And that is one million subscribers. Yeah. That's the big one. That's the big one. That's that's the one that people make a song and dance about and they give you a gold button, etc. Yeah. I think I think the million subscribers is a bigger deal than the 10 million subscribers by a lot. Like that is the biggest milestone that a channel can cross. Yeah. Martin is excited about this upcoming thing. And he has noted that it could have happened on his birthday. Although looking at sort of some of the projections and the statistics, our projected million subscriber number has now drifted out slightly to slightly beyond his birthday. So this is where my plea to the Hall of Internet listeners comes in. If you have a YouTube account and you're a YouTube person and you haven't subscribed to periodic videos, but you think maybe you would or you've never looked at it and it might interest you, now would be a really nice time for you to do it for me because I would love to get close to a million in time for his birthday. I think maybe we won't quite do it, but I would like to try. And this is my plea. I'm not asking you to subscribe to the channel if like you're aware of it and dislike it and what nothing to do with it then. You know, fair enough. There's not much I can say to it. But if you've never looked at it or you like it, but you just never got around to subscribing to it and you are ever likely to, now is a good time to do it because I'd like to get close for some Martin's birthday because he means a lot to me. Yeah. And I think this is a good time to dimension the channel to try to hit this mark because if you listen back at earlier shows, you can hear me sometimes speculate about who on earth would be listening to this podcast who doesn't know our YouTube channels. I am aware that over time that ratio has drifted that we do have more and more listeners who have come across the podcast and really don't know very much about our YouTube careers in any way. So if you are also one of those listeners now who back in the early days I suspected couldn't possibly exist, but now I do know exist in serious numbers. This is an excellent time to go check out periodic videos and go subscribe. And take a look at that channel if you are one of those listeners who knows the podcast and doesn't follow our YouTube channels, go subscribe to periodic videos, go check it out, go take a look at it. It's a channel that's going through a bit of a change at the moment too for me. It's something that I've been studying to think differently about this particular channel. It's one of my oldest and it's funny and I know you've been going through a little bit of this too maybe with your channel, but when you do a YouTube channel for a long time you occasionally go through, I don't know, it's like the YouTube equivalent of like a midlife crisis and you start thinking, where am I going? What am I doing? What's the point of this? And a lot of my channel has sort of been continuing business as usual, but periodic videos is one that I'm really revisiting in my head at the moment. So it's an interesting time to be subscribing maybe. Okay, so how old is periodic videos? Oh man, I'm scared you'd ask that. It looks like it started in June 2008. Oh my god. Yeah. Okay, in YouTube land, that's more than, there's more than just a midlife crisis. That's a pretty... What you think I'm on Death Store? That's a, wow, wow, I had no idea it was that old. Yeah, that's very old. Okay, right? Okay. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, let me phrase that. But you are an established presence on YouTube. That's for sure, Brady. You are, you are very established with periodic videos. It would have statesmen. You are in the elder statesman career transition of your channel. What are you thinking of? Well, the thing is the way period video started was making a video about every element on the periodic table. Right. And that we did a hundred and 18 really, really quickly for various reasons. Like I'm talking like six or seven weeks fast. So we did a lot of videos really quickly on all the elements. And a lot of them for that reason were kind of rushed and half-baked. And some of them are just like, you know, 20, 30 seconds and not much is said. And then once the channel sort of became a little bit successful, more than we expected, we thought, okay, well, I guess we'll keep this channel going now. And let's redo all the elements. So that was the plan. We're going to redo each element video and make them more elaborate, more detail and more experiments and make them, you know, more of a thing to watch. But then as the channel kind of evolved and it became like a general chemistry channel, not just about the elements, we started doing other stuff and we started kind of, you know, drinking the, the addictive potion of the occasional viral video doing silly things and, and, and, you know, having travels and adventures and making all these chemistry videos. And we kind of only updated elements very occasionally. And those videos have just kind of, you know, wallowed in history. I mean, they're really old now, they're nearly 10 years old. But a way a lot of people visit the channel is to watch the element videos and start going through the elements. And I've now realized that's a bit embarrassing because it's like, oh, gosh, some of these videos are really old. They're really low resolution. They know where near the quality of the videos we'd make now. So I've kind of really got it in my head. No, we need to abandon all this other frivolous stuff and get back to basics and redo all the element videos. And I want almost all of our releases now to be, you know, a redux of an element video. So that's what we've done the last few and that's what we're recording at the moment. And these days when Samat and Colesley Mappens says, oh, I've got a crazy idea for some experimental, some chemistry thing we're doing. Nine times out of 10, I'm saying to him, no, no, we are redoing the elements. We're totally focusing on that. And even though these videos will never be viral the way that dipping a cheeseburger and acid or loving something up is likely to give you the occasional viral video. I've kind of said, I'm not interested in that anymore. I'm more interested in the legacy of these 118 element videos. And at the moment, you know, some of them are just too outdated. So that's where I want to take the channel now. And I think Martin and other people in the chemistry department at the University of Nottingham are kind of on board with me on that. So that's the new direction. Less, less, look at me like fun, fun time, things and more back to where we started. So you are, you are deviralling the channel. Yeah, in a way, yeah, it's like, yeah, I'm less worried about, I'm less worried about sort of you count and hitting new people by being attention-saking. There will be no more dressing up at Halloween. This is kind of what I'm wondering, right? It actually ties quite nicely into the previous conversations. You're not pulling these stunts for the chemistry PR department. You're doing some meat and potatoes, periodic video revisiting. And it looks like at the time of recording, you've done four of these, these new ones so far, helium, Francium, Technitium and Nickel. Yeah, they're the most recent ones. And I've got Chromium coming up pretty shortly as well. Yeah, I mean, we have been updating element videos all through the project. So occasionally, we do drop an element update. But now that's what all I want us to do. So that eventually, when people say, I'm going to sit back on watch all 118, all of them are going to be good. At the moment, some of them aren't good. And people will say, oh, I can't believe you video on the element X is like, you know, that's nowhere near as good as your other ones. That's what I want to fix. Yeah, well, I'm looking at your channel. And the oldest one that's listed as an element video is cobalt from nine years ago and in dramatic 480p resolution. And what I really like is it's not even a full 480p because it looks like you hard exported the black bars around the video. So it's actually in the it's in the center of the screen. It's not taking up the full YouTube player. So yeah, that I didn't I didn't do that. Oh, respectively. Like when you first watched that back in the day, that would have taken up the whole screen. But something changed at some point and a whole bunch of my videos suddenly got black bars all around them, the really old ones. And you know, that's only a minute 40 long and I mean, 300,000 people have watched it, which I'm a bit embarrassed by now, because people love going through and watching the whole collection. And that's what I want to change when people go through and watch the whole collection. Because the thing I guess I haven't pointed out is periodic videos also has its own website, which is an entire periodic table. And you can click on any given element and watch the video on that element from YouTube. So it's kind of like a, you know, picking chocolates from a chocolate box. Right. So it is it is a kind of snacking channel in that way where people like to like get on a streak and go through the elements. And that's where we get found out by the old videos a bit. So aren't you afraid though that if you if you deviral the channel that you will fall on the on the bad side of the algorithm? Hmm, I'd mean thinking about that, but I don't know. I think I think of this channel differently. I don't think of this channel as like a business enterprise like that. So I don't worry about that. I think I think this channel always has a different role to play. Do you think I'm doing the right thing? Well, I don't know. Here's the thing, Brady. You have what makes you different Brady and what makes you special is you are a man with many YouTube channels. So I think you unlike many other people who would be in the YouTube space. This is like this is this is part of a periodic videos is like part of a Brady portfolio of channels. And so I think you would have less to worry about if you were going to deviral a channel and get sort of go back to basics go back to the beginning and redo a bunch of stuff. I don't think it's a bad idea, but I but I feel more I feel more comfortable saying that because you have a bunch of other channels. Right. And there's but also the thing to bear in mind with periodic videos is it does have like nearly a million subscribers. So and although I never realized a lot of them are not active and I also realized that subscribers don't necessarily mean everyone finds out about your videos. I do feel like the channel's big enough that it can that it can give people just you know kind of what they signed up for. And I don't have to worry about pandering to people who aren't interested. Like I feel a bit like I want to service the actual audience and not not be preoccupied with new audience. So I'm so in some ways I'm happy just as I'm happy just to feed the existing audience and hope that new audience comes on just gradually who appreciate it for what it is and not for you know crazy occasional craziness. So okay. It's not to say that the new videos aren't going to like have awesome explosions to be cooked. They're just not going to be they're just not going to be dressed up in that way. They're going to be more you know here's the element right. There'll be cool stuff in the video. There are whole ideas at the video is that all the videos are cool now. Right. Right. But it's not going to be like you know as gimmicky. Well okay. Here's his question. Because you're you're doing explicit remakes of your old videos right now. And I understand like it is a very different very different thing from the way they were produced in the beginning to the way that they're done now. Right. And this is like a long period of time and there are many factors here. I almost don't want to say it. I almost don't want to put the idea in your mind. But do you have any worries that that there's some kind of magic to the earlier videos that like that even though to your eye they seem like as the creator you can just see like oh this is older and it and it's shorter like but do you think maybe that part of the reason that the channel is successful is because those earlier videos were produced the way they were and and people like them and do you worry basically about replacing the old ones with the new ones that maybe it's not quite the same. I mean we're not taking down the old ones obviously on deleting them. They're there as like version one. And when you say remake it's not like I'm doing like experiments that we did before but should reshooting them. In most of the case we're replacing 45 seconds of a guy talking it is desk with 10 minutes of experiments and samples and better stories and information research. So it's not so the re so calling them like a remake it's not like a shot for shot remake of Psyco or something other it is more of a that was kind of exactly what I had in my mind is like a shot for shot remake of Psyco right it's like oh god it just doesn't work it's terribly boring. Yeah so it's not we're not doing that they are brand new videos with all new stuff and new information but I think the charm of the old videos you know they were of their time and like you and they feel like they're of their time now people expect different things from YouTube videos now different production qualities different pacing different stuff in the videos and you know we became successful because no one else was doing it you know no one else was doing something as crazy as making a video about every single element but people expect different things now so I'm not I'm not worried about that I think the things that make the channel what it is are still there like a chattyness and the professor and seeing real stuff happening in real labs and real scientists talking and Martin's personality and and a kind of a homemade feel to them which I'm still keeping you know it's not like I'm suddenly putting everything on tripods and making like a whole new look. Yeah trying to make them better. I actually it's I think that's a good point that you make there because I often I often find that that some stuff that I watch like when when they upgrade to like the new studio and it and it becomes more professional it somehow feels like oh it's not quite the same right is it and yeah so it's it's good to hear that you're you're you're keeping that particular no it's still supposed to be unprofessional you know when things go wrong it stays in the video and you know those human moments are staying in it's just it's more about just making putting more in the videos and taking more time on them because we're in such a rush the first time and and now we're not in a rush. Well if you're making them longer and then and the rumors about the algorithm are true then maybe this is this is the best move you could possibly make right the YouTube algorithm apparently loves long videos keeping people on the on the site as long as possible so uh 118 15 to 20 minute long videos that's a that's a pretty pretty big chunk of people's time and attention that YouTube could could could get from them. People always say that but long videos are only good at keeping people on the channel of people watch the long videos. Oh I for a long time yeah I know and I'm not I'm not very I'm not super convinced by that theory anyway. Is the CGP great channel going through a mid-life crisis yet or you know it's it's an interesting thing because this summer uh I realized that YouTube is now the longest job I've ever had uh which was which was just a strange realization for me. That's just happened to me too. Oh yeah? Yeah huh how do you how do you feel about that? Strange. Yeah yeah. My mental framework just does not match this. I think it's partly because it felt like I was a teacher forever. That is a big mental landscape that that it's hard for me to feel like the YouTube time is now longer than that and uh it's also interesting even just think like you know I mean I've made a joke before about how long we've done this podcast but like we've been doing this podcast for quite a long time and I there's something that my brain just cannot place in these things where I still think of YouTube as the new projects right and and then hello internet as like oh the new new project or it was like but actually they've been going on for quite a while now and I just there's I I wonder I almost wonder if in you know doublet so I've been doing the YouTube channel seriously for about six years now and I almost wonder like if I double that number will it still feel the same will it still feel like that this is still the the new thing it doesn't feel like you feel like yeah like it's the upstart type thing even though that is manifestly not true. I don't know there's something about it that I just can't I just can't place correctly in my brain so I have a hard time thinking about it but when I realized it I found it really quite shocking and surprising to realize that the YouTube is now the longest job I have ever had. Do you think that surprise and feeling is likely to result in anything or will manifest itself in any way or it's just like a hmm back okay back on with it what does that make you start thinking differently and think should I be doing this differently do I need to change things up or or do you just is it just like a little hmm I think I have a different view of it because I don't know the way people describe my channel I feel like I have never I have never heard someone describe my YouTube channel in a way that I would agree with people say that it's a channel about history and I'd be like I don't even understand what you mean by this or various ways that people have described what my YouTube channel is like I just I've never come across a description that I actually feel like matches up with the way it is in my head and I can't really quite articulate the way it is in my head but I also feel like that the channel has naturally changed over time anyway like I forget what it is but it takes a long time before even the concept of stick figure me shows up in a video like that's suddenly a shift like that doing that kind of thing has a change in the way like oh I'm talking directly to the audience now instead of this being like a literal slide show like it would be in a in a classroom so like that's one that's just easy to point to but I feel like there's been a lot of little changes and evolutions over time but I don't know it's a it's a funny thing because in my head I feel like it's sort of it's sort of always changing and is always the same and I think that that's always the way it will be to any of the changes that happen on your channel though for example the introduction of stick figure great are they ever like lines in the sand like were you deliberately say okay it's time for something new I'm going to introduce a stick figure version of me because I want to change the emphasis to me talking out at the viewers rather than us looking together at a slide show or do they happen just kind of accidentally and you do it once and think oh that kind of worked I might try that again sometime and then after like 10 videos you're like oh well I guess that's the thing now yeah like are they because you seem like a guy who makes a lot of strategic to lipid decisions rather than just falls into things the stick figure me I remember I can't remember what the video was but I do remember that that was trying to solve a particular problem in the way I was explaining something and also it was in in no small part a kind of envy of a lot of what other educational youtubers in the space can do where they like they can show you animations and interesting graphics to help an explanation and then they can just cut to them talking either when a visual is not needed or if it's a moment where it's a little bit abstract and what you would put on screen wouldn't necessarily line up with anything that you're talking about I remember being quite envious of the ability to do that cut to camera thing so the the stick introducing stick figure gray was was partly the ability to do that like oh I can cut to camera now and it's just me talking I would say the biggest the biggest line in the sand thing that I did do very intentionally was actually that Las Vegas vlog that I uploaded a little while ago that was very much a deliberate feeling of I want to put up something on the channel that is really different right that it's not like oh I've done a serious video where Gray is talking in serious tones and that's different from all of the others or video like the trouble with transporters which has a different animation style but all of those are still kind of the same like they're in the same family of the videos that I do but the vlog is like a totally different thing and is also completely unexpected right if you've been following the history of the channel like it's weird to upload a vlog I did that partly just because I wanted to establish a precedent of I can upload random things if I want to so that that was a deliberate sort of thing it was also just interesting to see like how are people going to react to when I do something differently but I think maybe that's the closest one to that's that's a that's a line in the sand otherwise it's things just evolve over time I don't think anything in the entertainment industry can stay the same like I think stuff has to change you know even like you're you're redoing your videos right but you're you're changing the way they are because like you want them to be updated for modern audience sensibilities and I think you also just have to change because the environment around you changes so when you look at a change to your channel for example the saying hey vlogs are a thing now too like you know don't don't do you think that's you being like super rational business grey saying you know to survive going forward and for the channel to grow and sustain I need to change an adapt or is it more an artistic thing like you know I want to spread my wings and not just be a guy who has to do animations and explaining and I don't want all I don't want to be constrained by your expectations of the channel is this a business rational decision you've made or is it an artistic decision I guess is what I'm saying I would say it's neither it's actually just a personal decision that I I feel like as people who follow my work may know I'm not a big fan of regularity and things always being the same and predictable and that vlog went up in no small part because I did feel like there was there had been too much predictability for too long on the channel and so I wanted to do a thing that was just totally out of left field I wish I could say oh wow was an incredibly smart business decision but it was by far and away like the worst business decision I ever made for the channel in terms of every metric I can possibly have putting up that vlog video was the worst thing I could do on every one of my spreadsheets it was really just something personally that I wanted to do just to just to have something up there that was different and establish the possibility that like oh this can happen again in the future but as someone who seems to care so a little about what other people think why do you need to do that well unless it's something you want to make you want to do like why do you why do you need to even put down that marker like but it's because it is something that I want to do right again it's all right you answered my question then it's like artistic thing yeah I guess if you want to phrase it that way you could say it's not just like you're an artist but yeah yeah in an editorial decision rather than a business decision maybe yeah an editorial decision might be a better way to put it yeah because I think it's it's partly there is something about the this idea turned out to be totally wrong but I'll just specify what my thinking was at the time there is something limiting about the animation because it's so time intensive that it for stalls certain kinds of videos from being able to be made because you have to just have to say like if a video is going to be made like there's going to need to be an enormous amount of animation time and so my thinking was I'm going to do a video that's a different kind of thing that can also possibly have a much shorter turnaround time because I don't need to animate every frame I'm just going to film stuff now that sounds like a business decision no but it's I know why you say it's a business decision but it's it's more a question of like I want to make a certain kind of video and up until this point the answer is okay well whatever you're going to make it has to be an animation and then that cuts off a huge number of possibilities yeah so I can see why you're saying it sounds like a business decision but it's much more a personal decision of I want to do a thing that maybe doesn't require all the animation and let me yeah it's made yeah you let you want to make Michael Angela's David but you've all only ever done oil painting so now you've said no I'm gonna try sculpt just instead that's aiming quite high but yes that's the idea I'm gonna be an amazing sculptor now but anyway joke was on me that vlog took up way more time than an animation of the similar length would have taken so I was really really wrong about that estimation but I was still I was still glad to do it I was still glad to do it but yeah maybe maybe classifying it as an editorial decision is a is a correct way to frame it interesting stuff well your your channel sounds interesting but just to get back to the main point right go and subscribe to periodic videos go check out the elder states been periodic videos and to remind people you we would like to hit a million subscribers by when is the date again breeding December 16 December 16 so now you're gonna break the poor little profs high if we fall well we'll see what we'll see what we 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code hello 15 you'll get 15% off there's a one question survey too and you just use that to tell them that hello internet sent you to fracture that's good for us the 15% that's good for you as are the happy family members at Christmas thanks to fracture for supporting the show I was only joking about the flaggy flag like smashing on the floor I wouldn't want flaggy flag to smash on the floor I wouldn't want that great from following you on twitter and from following almost everyone on the world on twitter not that I follow everyone on the twitter but you know what I mean I was like wait wait what are you one of those are you one of those twitter accounts now that follows 500,000 people to get follow back Brady is that what you're doing you pandering to twitter that way I haven't I haven't got to that stage so one thing that causes endless frustration I know it causes you frustration is package deliveries from delivery companies and I've seen I've seen even the normally calm CGP Gray who was reluctant to wield his mighty power against corporations get particularly upset at a delivery company recently when they were they were doing what they do to me all the time and that is don't even ring your doorbell or knock on your door and just drop the package and run or worse yet put a card through saying you weren't here and run which I absolutely hate the card through the door that was that was a it was a charming charming days of your when I used to at least just get the card through the door recently I've been getting pure email notifications now we're just like oh oh which we we tried to deliver to your house but you weren't home shaky so there's no proof though even there well there is there's proof that they were there Brady which is a photograph of your front door all right at least that's what it's supposed to be but in every single one of the emails I have ever gotten it is a photograph of what I presume is just the inside of the delivery man's pocket it's it's literally nothing that registers anything as proof on there so it's just it's just a it's just a lie right it's just a total 100% lie and yeah I did I did lose my cool over this a little while ago and complained complained on Twitter about package deliveries except I was waiting for something in particular at home all day and of course they're like oh you weren't you weren't home you weren't home yes I was you bastards I was waiting all day I lie before before we go any further though I do want to get something on record here which was I was very very careful in the way I was wording my complaint and I just want to get this out of the way before we continue the conversation further I do not think this is the delivery people's fault my view of this is it is the company's fault and whatever whatever way they are arranging the incentives for the employees I think it's very easy to just think oh these delivery drivers they're so lazy and my my first angry version of the tweet was about lazy delivery drivers this of course was back when we had 140 characters and I had I had to rethink it and then I phrased it in a much better way to place blame where I think it really goes so I just want to make that really clear like from everything I can gather I think this is the fault of the delivery companies overloading the drivers and so then they have every incentive in the world to just skip where they can bank on someone probably not being there so that they can like check off that they've gone through all the things that they need to do in a day so just just wanted to get that out of the way first well it's interesting you say that because my recent experience that I want to share I think emphasizes how much the delivery drivers are working in these incredibly strange strike jackets that the companies are putting on them and the pressures they're putting on them because everyone has had cases where you know they get a message saying we knocked on the door and you weren't home and they say yes I was and and this is how you know you're a bunch of liars right I had a recent delivery experience that went the other way that really emphasized the problem and that was the other day there was a knock on the door I went down there was a delivery driver with a package for me and I had to sign for it and he had to scan the barcode with his little device to say he'd center so he he was about to pass it over to me and he went to scan it and it wouldn't scan and he's like I hang on he tried again I wouldn't scan and then he looked at his device and said oh I'm a minute and a half early I can't scan this until it's the right time and we had to stand there together at the door waiting for the time to elapse until we were in the window that he was supposed to be at my door and then as soon as the clock ticked over like okay he scanned it handed it to me and he could leave so they're so tightly controlled at both ends of lateness and earlyness of where they have to be at what times if they're running early they get constrained wow it was amazing that that is that is frankly breathtaking he couldn't give it to me because he couldn't scan it yeah I can I can I can imagine like it was never this would never occurred I can imagine maybe why this happens just just like you say as a way to further pen in the driver's freedom of motion yeah because later on if there's something that has to be delivered like between four and six you know they want to make sure his whole day is controlled so that he's arriving at the right places at the right time it doesn't get too ahead of schedule yeah wow I just I feel like I'm knocked speechless by the horror of that it knows more part of the horror of having to stand awkwardly with the delivery guy for 90 seconds while the two of you are waiting for a countdown counter to fish that's okay luckily I have the world's cutest show I was up loves coming and playing with delivery people oh okay all right yeah that would make it that would make it much easier I feel like I would be tempted to close the door and then you're gonna note saying you were that is what I would get I don't know it might be worth it to avoid the awkwardness though it's a problem that seems to be getting worse with time and not better with time I feel like it's causing me more problems in life as time goes by because I was complaining mightily on Twitter I did get some some some interesting sort of private feedback that that was confirming that what's happening is largely that the drivers are just banking on places that they know where the deliveries are going to be accepted so it's it's like these delivery companies are actually just delivering to business and commercial addresses and that they're blowing off the residential addresses just the the moment there's any kind of delay in there in their schedule where they should be and this is one of these times like I don't understand how the world is the way it is because isn't this like isn't this the company's whole job like your job is to deliver packages like why why are you not better at delivering packages we're handing you money to do the thing I feel like package delivery has gotten way worse one of the ways that I feel like I I have a subjective measure of this is because I have an office in in my home right and we get lots of packages sent sent to the house it used to drive me so crazy like how often the bell would ring for the package is getting delivered but over the last like 18 months the number of times that has occurred has definitely gone down and it's way more of these like oh there's no package to be delivered at all things so like I really do feel like delivery companies are worse at doing their fundamental job than they used to before and it bothers me double when when I think about things like like the grocery delivery where you can I don't know if you have this where you are if the city's big enough but you can have someone do the grocery shopping for you and then have them deliver the groceries to your house and yeah like that to me is kind of amazing because it's like okay grocery stores you are primary business is not delivering things this is just an auxiliary business yet nonetheless I can just pick a 15 minute window in which I want a man to show up with eggs and cleaning fluids and toilet paper and bananas and whatever and they're there like bam every time delivering the groceries and it's like this is not even your job like why can't actual delivery companies get this same thing accomplished I find it really frustrating there's just not the incentives in place the grocery store has the incentive doesn't it that they don't do the deal if they don't deliver the fresh fruit it's not what I can not leave the food say they're just not incentivized yeah but I guess the feeling here is it's like there's a delivery cartel that all the delivery companies are equally bad but so and they recognize like okay as long as nobody gets better none of us have to get better like that that that's what it feels like is actually happening because it's like I'm paying you to deliver a thing you know but I but I can't get it but I also just have I have no options here right I just have to keep paying you to not deliver to not deliver the thing and then push the burden on me to go to some warehouse to pick it up off hours I'm sure you must run into this Brady but like the feeling of sort of abusing your power as someone who has a bunch of Twitter followers to complain at a company like do you do feel the call of that sometimes to yell at a company on the internet on Twitter I do I do where do you draw the line how do you decide when to when not to do I mean you do it less than me but you know you just use Twitter less than me so I don't know it's mood isn't it it's mood partly is like where's the radio meter right is the radio meter very very large or is it very very small but I also feel like I'm caught in a bit of a loop with these things where companies have taught me that there is no more effective way to get their attention than to yell at them on Twitter yeah and I presume that that having a large number of followers certainly helps with that but it also seems like I want to look at company Twitter accounts like they are very active on Twitter and replying to people I feel like the companies are essentially begging me to complain about them on Twitter squeaky we will get to the oil if I'm going to complain about a company on Twitter there needs to be one of two things I need to be really angry deeply deeply angry or I need to think of a way that I can complain that's kind of funny right I think those those are my two markers for if I'm going to complain publicly about a company on Twitter I think those are the two that I'm that I'm looking for. Oh there's a third factor I agree with those two but there's a third factor for me and it's how urgently do I need this problem solved so you know I had a thing where my phone stopped working and I couldn't make phone calls and it my work to ground to a halt and I needed that dealt with so you know so sometimes if I really need something resolved because it's preventing me being able to function in the way I need to function that is the third factor. Companies companies get what they promote and what they promote is yell at them on Twitter so they're going to get more of that. Hello internet today's an exciting day because there is a new sponsor for the show. ERO is what lets you never think about Wi-Fi again. 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Yeah and also I find revisiting this topic personally funny because I think one of the very first times we ever mentioned it my opinion was like oh this is going to blow over and we'll never hear about this again very shortly and then YouTube did everything within their power to make sure that this was going to be an eternal problem and so here we are. You're right about that. So there's been some recent developments in the last few days. Some on both sides of the debate that I thought were worth just marking. One is it seems to be almost cyclical that the Times newspaper and London owned by Rupert Murdoch and by news corporation that wants advertising money to be in papers and not on YouTube and have found success in this tactic of pointing out ads are being delivered on inappropriate content. They have done their next big wave this week. They found a new one. It was terrorism before. Can you believe that company that Coca-Cola is being advertised on a story about terrorism. Now they've gone to exploitation and inappropriate images of children. Oh just like we were saying last week. That's the thing that's you everything in the world. So that's the new one that they're really ramping up and they're doing front page stories and special investigations about and the exact same cycle has happened and that is all the companies are now fleeing and saying we're interestingly they're always saying we're suspending our advertising until this is a result. And this has made me realize since there were some things about this that you were right about and some things that you were slightly wrong about. One is you said at the time that this is just like a temporary thing and the companies will go away and then ultimately come back. The advertising company because they have to advertise here because if they don't they die. And you're right about that because they're always using words like we're suspending advertising until this is fixed. But the other thing is this issue isn't going away and I can see this is going to be an issue for years to come. This is just going to be something that gets wheeled out all the time until the newspapers are gone maybe. So it's rather exasperating but I did notice it was different this time in a way that you kind of have foreshadowed and spoken about in the past and that is the companies aren't saying that's it. We're taking it advertising away forever. They're a bit more careful in their wording and they say we're suspending advertising. So and what does that mean? Does that mean? The impression that I have gotten from discussing things with people is that a lot of this ends up becoming a situation where money is simply building up behind a dam and then that and then when it looks like it's all clear right the floodgates are opened again so that the let's put this way like the the amount of money that a company has allocated to spend on YouTube in a quarter is still maintained at a consistent rate even if the individual weeks or months are not at a consistent rate. That's the impression that I get is largely what's happening. So one of the things that you know I like newspapers obviously I used to work in newspapers but one of the things that has always frustrated me about this is kind of the hypocrisy because I think a lot of newspapers do a lot of bad things too and companies advertise in newspapers and I've always thought we're hang on like your people in glass houses here are throwing a lot of stones and there was a story that caught my eye last week that has opened my eye to something else I didn't know it was going on and just to give you a bit of context at the Daily Mail newspaper in the UK which a lot of people are familiar with and isn't regarded very highly for various reasons for its sort of sort of political stances had this front page promotion thing where people could take a coupon from that day's paper to the news agents in London called paper chase and could get a free roll of wrapping paper for their Christmas presents. Pretty typical kind of you know newspaper promotion. Take your coupon from the paper get your wrapping paper and it turns out there's this organisation that I wasn't quite familiar with called Stop Funding Hate and they're kind of the adpocalypse version of the adpocalypse except for newspapers and whenever and whenever companies advertise with newspapers they don't like that are on their list of we don't like you they then go to the mattresses and give a hard time to the advertisers about that and Stop Funding Hate engineered this campaign against paper chase for being in bed with the Daily Mail that was so venomous that paper chase made a public statement apologising for this promotion and have vowed to never advertise or do a promotion with the Daily Mail again and Stop Funding Hate apparently have done this with various companies including our good friend's Lego who have been shamed into not advertising with various newspapers because of this campaign so it's the it's the thing happening in the opposite opposite direction and it's actually something that I've kind of spoken about before when I said you know when we see advertisements on free booted videos on Facebook we should we should shame the advertisers don't don't take on Facebook Facebook don't care go to the advertiser and say hey Pepsi do you know that your videos are running against all this stolen content that's exactly what Stop Funding Hate are doing so the battle is actually happening in both directions. What do you think of this? Do you know what I'm kind of a bit uneasy with it both ways? Yeah I mean that's I think it's I think it's hypocritical for me to say that Stop Funding Hate are doing the wrong thing except that the ad apocalypse people like saying YouTube is bad YouTube is the people they actually have the problems with are the content creators the people who are uploading the bad stuff whereas when you have a campaign against a newspaper the newspaper is deciding what goes in its paper it's not like the daily mile can say hey we can't control what our journalists write sorry that our columnist wrote a really racist column but we can't control that we're just a platform the the newspaper does have total editorial control over what appears in its pages and therefore when someone takes them to task for I think there's an extra level of accountability that YouTube don't necessarily have but I've said in the past that I do think YouTube does have to have does have to have some accountability for what appears on the site as well so for that reason I'm kind of I don't know what to think about this a bit stuck in the middle yeah I mean you know my initial reaction is of course I think it's funny because it's the newspapers getting what they're giving right like you're dishing out a thing and it's like well well well you know look look who comes back around and I do agree with you that the newspapers have a level of control that YouTube could only dream of either that it's just fundamentally impossible on the YouTube platform but I don't know with like with all of this stuff I just I feel you know ever since we talked about a long time ago like we initially started having conversations about like mob justice on the internet there is something like I just I feel like I am permanently and forever uneasy about any kind of mob justice on the internet in a way that I didn't used to be yeah several years ago and any of this kind of stuff where like even you know even if I would agree with the mob justice perhaps perhaps especially if I would agree with the mob justice it feels like you should be really cautious about that kind of thing right where and and and this this feels like a similar thing like you're trying to bully and shame an organization into not supporting a thing and it's like I know that we can get all worthy about what the reasons for doing that are but I've fun I don't know how to put this but I feel I feel what you're saying though it's like this is the thin end of the wedge for some you know online vigilantes like yeah if we start if we start doing this all the time where where does it stop I guess what I guess what I'm trying to when I'm trying to think about here is it's it's a little bit like my my feeling about politics where you know we don't really talk about politics on the show and part of the reason is because I you know my personal feeling is like if we're not talking about the meta issues like if we're not talking about the the voting system right or we're not talking about campaign finance right like that then we're getting we're getting like dragged down into the details of things but but well like we're never addressing the root cause of problems and there's something about internet vigilanteism that that is more and more in my mind falling into a kind of like I think this is a fundamental problem in a way but I don't know I'm not even sure I can say that that harshly or that clearly but it is just a thing that I find myself very very cautious about and it feels like we need a better and more responsible solution than a kind of internet bullying campaign even if it's for something that we agree with like for the for the same reason that in a society we have laws no matter how much evidence you have like against a murderer like we still put a murderer on trial because we have like we have to go through we have to go through the process and there's something there's something it feels like we need some kind of process on the internet that can can handle stuff instead of this this sort of like let's all get riled up about a about a thing like like even the name of this campaign right stop funding hate right is like that name is designed to stop any conversation about what this organization is doing yeah if you're not with the stop funding hate organization are you for funding hate right is like oh right you know no of course not I think it's funny when you first show it to me but I I'm finding more and more my brain has this like antibody reaction to any anything that starts looking like let's gang up on a thing online and force them to do what we want like I just I find that I find myself getting more and more cautious about that kind of behavior on the internet in any way there's also this slightly weird dynamic where there's always this third party yeah yeah so it's like like paper chase the news agents other ones are also like copying it in the neck and you could say well they deserve it because they're giving their money to the daily mail and they know what the daily mail is like yeah but it's kind of like this indirect argument it's like these people have an issue with the daily mail and they're like they're like taking hostages and hurting other people to try and damage the daily mail and there are all these sort of other parties who are kind of copying it in the neck as a result and it feels like I know it feels a bit icky when there is this third party interaction it always gets more complicated and again I think I think the internet version of this is like you they don't go after the person like they go after the platform that the person is on and that always that well they go after the money don't yeah yeah it's always about going after the money money supply the career your your livelihood yeah that is an excellent point I feel like I feel like we do you know Brady here always the master of words here but I do feel like we need a term for this idea about going after somebody's livelihood on the internet like there there are so many different versions of this that is like it's a concept that happens over and of like trying to get someone removed from patreon or trying to get someone fired from their job or whatever like this is a thing that happens all the time of this idea like you're going after somebody's livelihood wherever that that livelihood is and again I always just feel really cautious about that and I think you're I think you're right there is something that's that feels wrong about when it's a third party interaction it feels like you're not you're not engaging directly you're engaging in a in a sneaky way instead of instead of engaging head on with the thing that you don't like you know I sometimes worry about the ad apocalypse and I think if all the advertisers pull off the platform and YouTube collapses and stuff it could be bad for people like you and I but then this deep calm comes over me when I realize that if a company completely stops advertising on Google and YouTube another company will come in to fill the void and that's what that's what keeps it going like if if if Coca-Cola said all right we're not advertising on YouTube anymore Pepsi I think brilliant yeah we will exactly so there is a hope that kind of market force as long as you know YouTube are a really bad company and really are doing bad stuff which I don't think they are then I'm quite comfortable with this kind of towing and frowing and I kind of hope it doesn't hurt people too much it certainly has created an absolute debacle on the content flagging stuff which we've talked about recently so it is it is hurting us regardless and while I've said before that I think YouTube is in a strong enough market position that they don't have to do a lot of this I do worry about the I do worry about the future of YouTube a little bit simply because I feel like they are beginning to cross an annoyance line with a large enough number of of creators that I think if I was in charge of of YouTube that would be a thing I would just is it a threat today maybe not but it's a thing I would just have my eye on that it it as a creator who talks to other creators it really feels like everybody is super annoyed with the flagging and the way the whole system works and we're still just the Mickey Mouse of the system that great it's not like Sony and all those people who are uploading music videos to YouTube are upset and as long as YouTube have got them sweet you know I know I know what you're saying but I think if I was if I was trying to do a startup to compete with YouTube which I think might be a fundamentally impossible thing to do I think YouTube might have a pretty secure hold on on an on the natural monopoly of video but let's say I was I was tasked to do it right and you had like a billion dollars and it's like okay make a startup to compete with YouTube I wouldn't go after the big companies like the like the the most than the music company Vivo and Sony and all this other stuff and the the millions of hours of late night TV that's on YouTube I would go after trying to sway the creators because I think if you can sway the creators then those big companies will just double post their material right on YouTube and whatever the YouTube competitor is YouTube I love you guys I'm not competing with you I don't have I don't have a secret startup in the works venture capital is though if you're looking for someone to work with you know give me a call YouTube don't listen to that but anyway um but I do I do think that that's the vulnerable point if there if there is a vulnerable point it's people who are individual or small creators who have loyal audiences whereas trying to convince Sony to upload on to a competing competing channel is a hopeless cause right they're just they're just going to make a business decision and the only question is can you get your competitor big enough that it makes sense for those channels to start double posting and this is where I think Facebook and missing a trick like that by not opening things up to small operations like people like us like this is the time to strike because if Facebook said now look we'll share half the revenue with you let's let's do it I think they'd get a lot of people and then if they started pulling all those people across then they could start trying to get the big the big guns but they're just like so they're so close minded Facebook they're so selfish yeah I kind of wonder what Facebook's up to I mean I you know I don't want to give Facebook any any tips here on how to defeat YouTube because like really don't like Facebook but nonetheless I am constantly surprised at their at the decisions they make with online video and it feels like you guys are so close like you could you could have this if you just changed a few things and they don't and I don't understand why and I just because I like to believe in a somewhat rational world I feel like they they must be up to something that we can't see or there must be some reason why they don't do revenue sharing with creators but I don't I don't understand it and it seems like it would be the most obvious thing to do if you were in charge of Facebook should we end with a paper cut yeah let's let's round out with a paper cut this is this is a special paper cut because this is Brady's paper cut meets sports ball corn oh god what happens when corners cross with each other we got yeah what do we get do you get a square then I guess if we have two two corners crossing oh yeah see what you mean yeah I want to send you a picture or send you a few pictures and these pictures have been taken during post game celebrations because the baseball season the MLB baseball season recently ended so we had lots of happy baseballers in the changing rooms celebrating wonderful victories okay I'm looking I'm looking we've got players in the changing rooms bottles of champagne being shaken corks being popped champagne being sprayed everywhere as is the custom celebration at the end of a sporting triumph do you have any initial thoughts I mean well they're all wearing ski masks so it must be some violent champagne spraying there this is a this is the this is the development in the last few years that I am paper cut by professional athletes in these spontaneous moments of happiness for years they've been pulling at the t-shirts that were pre-made for them winning you know congratulations on winning which are obviously made weeks before they won well yeah but then they have but then they've also brought a bunch of sometimes customized swimming goggles and ski masks to put on their faces before they start spraying the champagne so they can protect their eyes this seems like the least spontaneous and least like rugged cool sports thing you could do it makes them seem like a bunch of whooshes I feel like there's a real theme here in your complaints as of late Brady but but yes it's like yeah you know you have to have your dewey beats true men t-shirts all set and ready to go of course you know I have to have them ready imprinted but but the but the goggles the goggles do make them look like a bunch of whooshes I'm like I'm not gonna lie and it just it just ruins the moment for me saying it just it no longer seems like this moment where we were just so happy we couldn't control ourselves it's like okay okay everyone put on your goggles for safety and now we will have the fan yeah these are these are fun approved goggles I like that this is it's it's it's more health and safety gone mad I'm sure someone will tell me some story about a champagne cork that ruined a baseballers career or how the acidity of champagne can ruin your vision or something but hey if if spraying champagne and celebrating at the end of the game is unsafe then just don't but don't don't all start putting goggles on because you look you look like you look silly yeah if it's dangerous you should come up with a new tradition yeah I know I don't think the champagne is possibly dangerous except for the exploding cork if you don't know how to handle the champagne bottle but yeah this this looks dumb I'll get I'm gonna give it a thumbs down do not approve this and I'm sure everyone's gonna jump on red like they did about the astronauts and say hey you know they've got these multi million dollar contracts and they've got to protect their eyes but come on Brady why are you against fun that that's what that's what I'm getting all the complaints Brady I'm not like just so you know I'm not against the champagne I love I love the champagne at the end of the sport I just think putting these goggles on not only is it like health and safety gone mad it just looks it makes the whole thing look unnatural and premeditated and not like a celebration and just something they all knew that we're gonna have to do for the cameras later I wonder I wonder if in 10 years they'll be having safety rain jackets for the champagne as well if you would rewound time 10 years ago and ask someone do you think people will have to put on goggles before the open champagne no one would have said yes right that would have seen ridiculous and the idea now of some kind of safety raincoat for your champagne seems ridiculous but maybe in 10 years that that's what they'll be doing as well not special coverings for themselves they don't get hurt by the champagne hey just so that we don't end on me being antifa can I bring up one other interesting story I saw a few weeks ago that touches on various topics you one being like insurance and safety and that and the other being Twitter which we've talked about a lot today there was a new story a little while ago where a famous soccer player from England was on holiday with his wife and he I don't know what they were doing they're skiing or something and he tweeted or Instagram or whatever he did saying I haven't a good time you know what he was up to and because he did that thieves knew that he wasn't in his lovely mansion in England cleaned out the place took all his stuff took thousands and thousands of pounds worth of nice stuff and his insurance company wouldn't pay because they said tweeting that he was on holiday was a security breach that avoided his insurance policy and this is whole debate going on now about whether or not if you tweet that you're away from your house and your house gets robbed whether you should be in tune and I want to know what you think of that I agree with the insurance company on this one and this is actually a moment to answer a question that a bunch of people have asked which is you remember for a while I had the gray health bot that was tweeting out my weight every day yeah I stopped that in no small part because I realized after I was traveling that that thing was was essentially an indicator of if I was traveling or if I was not traveling because I'm not bringing my internet connected scale with me wherever I go and even if I was bringing it I would be in a different time zone and the weight measurements would go up at a different time and I felt uncomfortable with having a very clear indicator on the internet about when I was or was not home so I stopped that I stopped doing that and I feel like I got to go with the insurance company on this one yeah if you're tweeting about not being home I can I can see that that's a that's definitely like an invitation to Berglow House in a way okay difficult situation though isn't it so funny it's an unfortunate situation where you know people who want who like sharing their adventures and stuff can't do it okay let's let's take the internet out of this do you think if so Brady the next time you go on vacation you pack up all your things you're going to be really diligent on Twitter you're not going to say anything but you put a big sign in the front yard that says we are not home and and you only take it down when you return what how do you feel about that well there's two different there's a different thing going on them but yeah oh I know it's a different thing going on there this is what I feel like this is a patented Brady analogy right Lays is like it's we've subtly shifted the ground here but I'm just I'm curious if you had done such a thing and you got robbed and the insurance company said you put a please rob me sign in front of your your house no we're not going to cover it no no no no no you've changed the analogy now you've said please rob me sign is different to I'm not right okay I think insurance companies should cover you for normal behavior and it is normal behavior to go on a holiday and share pictures while you're on holiday and like how far do we have to take this you're saying we have to create like all these deceptions like next they're going to say you have to start pre-programming Facebook posts of photos of you at home that automatically upload every two or three days when you're on holiday as an extra layer of protection yeah how far how far is this going to go how much how much onus is onus like if you if you left a sign at the front saying my house is unlocked you are free to come and take stuff okay the insurance company could probably say well hang on yeah then it's not even burglary yeah but posting a picture like it's not like the house wasn't locked like you are allowed to be not home and go and do things I mean this happens to football or sometimes when they're playing games overseas like you know they're playing a big famous game like there was one football who was playing something like a champions league final or something over in Europe and because it was such a big game then you his family will be going to watch and he got robbed while he was playing in that game because everyone everyone knew everyone associated with him was going to be away from the house so I mean I don't know I don't know I think that's interesting I feel like that puts a real wrinkle in my thoughts there that comparison because I agree the insurance should cover it if he's at work right but how is how is that different if his work happens to be going to a sports game that's out of town right is that any is that any different from posting on twitter his family vacation photos I would have a very hard time articulating why I feel like that's different and so maybe maybe you're finding a little bit of a there's a there's a wrinkle here that I feel like I'm I've cast doubt on my certainty from before hmm interesting it is an interesting dilemma do you tweet though while you're away yeah that's sometimes do it's interesting it's interesting not always not always but yeah I do I do I feel I feel very aware of it I mean you're unusually um go ahead Brady you can say whatever word just popping it dear I know there's some word I would describe you as a warrior you are a person who finds things to worry about so I can imagine when you're traveling you would you would see the worry there is a side effect here that often when I'm traveling uh I have a very hard time keeping up with even just the normal things in life like I'm I'm usually traveling for a very clear purpose and so I don't want to do a bunch of other stuff so it is much more easy than normal to not tweet when I'm traveling but I but I I'm the opposite I find I suddenly have all this spare time and I get angry at myself for tweeting too much you know I'm sitting I'm sitting you know by the beach and you know I'm in the shade because I don't like being out too much direct sun and I'm sitting there for like two hours and I'm thinking hmm a bit bored might tweet once again I find I find that so interesting are are completely opposite experiences yeah it's I'm I feel like I am very monomaniacal when I'm traveling uh and and so yeah I don't I don't tweet very much but I but when I do I am always aware of tweeting stuff and I often and I put the not I'm not even sure I say it exactly but I do often really time shift when I'm traveling when the actual tweet goes up yeah like I think I have never tweeted about being at a place when I'm at the place right like it is always later in time uh then then it would be so I'm I'm also just aware like moving things around even when I am tweeting and I'm on an amount of trip uh but yeah I might be a bit of a bit of a special case in that one but uh for sure an insurance company no matter what we'll always be trying to find a way to not pay on the policy yeah yeah that's a microphone Mr. Chompers that's how Uncle Gray does his podcasts okay now no chomping the microphone chomp your bone

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