|Alright, hello internet. Eeeh, 80? 80. That 80 I think. What's that in Roman numerals? Q? I think it's a Q. That's the way that works. What? That can't be right. Let's see, is C100 or is L100? C's 100, L's 50. Don't you watch the Super Bowl Brady? So it's either LxxXX or it's XXC. Do we take the 20 from the 100? I add the 30 to the 50. I think we take the 20 from the 100. Is it trying to be economical with letters? Isn't that how that works? No, it's LxxXXC. Huh. Yeah, there's always those exceptions. Like how 80s is the III and not I IX. Well, this is why the Romans couldn't do algebra. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why they went that way, but that's the way it is. I think they got stuck this way. They started a system. It seemed like a good idea at the time. But then when they're trying to solve for X, it turns out to be incredibly difficult with Roman numerals. Or it's like the version of the Millennium Bug and they never thought they'd need to get to 100. Oh, we never thought the numbers would get this big. We thought we'd just chuck three on the end. We didn't think we'd get to the point where we had to take two from something big. Yeah, but now that we need to, we need to do the Pythagorean theorem we're in real trouble. No, no. We're going to need a patch. So the hell would that just throw this all away? Ooh, look at these shiny Arabic numerals. This is much easier. You know me though, I like a few little quirks in a system. I like a few inconsistencies. Yeah, but I don't think you want inconsistencies in numbers. Like if there's one area where we can surely agree that you must have consistency, it's with numbers, you're not really going to be like, oh, there's a bit of a charm to the old Roman system. We should be using it today. Yeah, I guess you're right. Can I wish a happy birthday to CGP Gray? Not CGP Gray, the co-host of Hello Internet and very occasional release of YouTube videos. Right. But CGP Gray, the penguin at Bristol Zoo. Ooh. Has it just had a second birthday? She has just had her second birthday. I was going to say, what's this, what's this it nonsense? We know, it's, she's two years old now. And do you know what? I just, just before we started recording, I had a little pang of guilt about CGP Gray, the penguin. Mm-hmm. Yeah, how often have you visited her, Brady? Yeah, do you know what it reminds me of? You know when you go on holiday sometimes, or you have some like intense experience, and you meet like new friends or people you haven't met before? And at the end of the trip, you like exchange details, and you think you're just going to be friends forever? Like, oh, I'll contact you, and we'll see each other again one day, and we'll go on another holiday, and you have all these grand ideas, and then you may be exchange one email, and then like you never hear from that person again, you can't even remember them or their name. Who but you would actually think that you're going to maintain friendships over a long distance. Sometimes you feel that, because you've had such a good time with them, and you've gotten along so well, you think they're gonna be your friend for life, and I know, I know, I know you feel that, Brady. I know that you feel that. Everybody who's human feels that, but surely you know, it's like maintaining a friendship via email, it's never going to happen. There are people I would love to maintain friendships with via email. People I do occasionally have like pangs of guilt for not sending more emails to, but the reality of it is, like this isn't the 1800s, like we can't maintain a correspondence through letter writing, like it's just never gonna happen. Yeah, but you think that's just gonna be a stop gap between having another great holiday together, because you just had such a good time, and I'll come and visit you in Peru. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh-uh. Yeah. The fact that I'm not saying when I think about it in the cold light of day, like I can't see what happens, and it's happened to me so many times in life I should know better. Yeah. But it still just happens, it still just happens. And my point is, that's how I feel about CGP Grey, the lady penguin, because I sort of thought, oh, I'm so close to Bristol Zoo, I could go back maybe every six months or so just for half a day and take a few photos and see how she's doing, and keep everyone up to date. Yeah, I remember at the time there were many of promise from Brady about updates about how she was doing over time. We were going to get health reports on the wait, and it's like, no, nothing ever happened. Well, I did one big update. I did the gender update and the way in and everything. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's the one email that you send when you think, oh, let me kick this off. And she never wrote back. That's part of the whole thing. Partly in my defense, if I can have one little tiny bit of defense, my contact at the zoo, who made it all happen, and even made the naming happen, has left the zoo for new pastures. So I did lose my easy contact there. So now approaching the zoo is a little bit like, I'm going in cold as a stranger again. But it is also just my terribleness. And I feel a little bit bad. And I'm also secretly in the very back of my head and a little bit scared of finding it maybe, like, something terrible has happened. And I kind of don't want to know. I mean, I'm sure penguins don't die very often. Yeah, but there was that seal cage right next door, you know. It seemed like it was really dangerous proximity. Seals don't attack penguins, do they? I think they do. Don't they eat penguins? I mean, the lions are only 400 metres away, also. Yeah, but lion, I'm sure a lion isn't interested in a penguin. Well, you chuck a penguin in the lion cage and see what happens. Yeah, they won't know what it is. They'll be really confused. Right? There's different, different terrain creatures. They hunt and interact. They'll be like, oh, don't light licorice. Exactly. That's how that would work out. I understand that feeling. You want C.G.P. Gray, the lady penguin, to live on forever in your mind, having a fantastic life, swimming around, doing whatever she's up to. Yeah. Living forever, or however long penguins live. I don't know. 18 months. What's their lifespan? I have no idea. Oh, gosh. Then she could be dead hang on. How long does a penguin live? I'm looking that up. Just messy. How long does a penguin live? What's your guess? What's your serious guess? My serious guess? Um... And I'll make a guess first before I look it up. Okay, I'm going to put my serious guess at 10 years. I'm going to go 15. Is this price is right? Is it closest without going over? Is that what we're going to do? Well, we're in trouble here because an ampere penguin apparently lives for 20 years. Okay. And a little penguin lives for six years. They can live anywhere between six and 27 years. Okay, well, what species is C.G.P. Gray the penguin? Oh, that's a good point. What is it? It's like an African penguin, isn't it? I think so. That sounds familiar. We haven't kept it a correspondence, so I don't know the due sense of her family lineage. The average lifespan of an African penguin is 10 to 27 years. And they can live up to 30 years in captivity. So C.G.P. Gray the lady penguin may well outlive me. I don't know what I'm worried about. If C.G.P. Gray the lady penguin outlives you, I will take a visit to the zoo, right in your honor. That would be like... That would be your way of remembering me. Yeah, exactly. It'll be a little remembrance for you. Just like that holiday friendship thing though, it'll be like, you know, after I'm gone, you'll forget and you'll never do it. And like 10 years after I'm gone, you'll be... You really must go and visit that penguin one day. I'm terrible. The Guild of Long Distance friendships. Now, Gray, I want to quickly just talk about the Halloween to the limited edition sneakers. Mainly because I just realized that I haven't got you to give the project a cool name yet. Like, their vinyl was called Project Revolution. Can you come up with a name for the sneaker project? Oh, it seems kind of pointless now though, Brady. It's over. No, it's still going. They're still going to be like manufactured and orders are still coming in. Yeah, I know. But like, I've seen them in real life. They're being manufactured. You've taken orders. If this is way too far in the lifecycle of a project to give it a project name. But whenever I bring it up, I need a name. I can't always say, I want to talk about the Hello Internet Limited Edition sneakers. It has to... And by the way, my wife tells me off for calling them sneakers because that's not a very British thing to call them. But it's too late now. Why does she tell you what? I don't know. I think maybe she thinks I should be calling them trainers. I've got a possible name. Oh, yeah. Well, what I was just trying to look up, I was thinking, Mercury has those little wings on his feet. I was trying to think, is there a name for those little wings? Like, that could be a project name. Oh, yeah. Or it could just be project Mercury. What do you think, Brady? Do you have one you like? Oh, I was thinking maybe Operation Twinkletoes. Done. Okay. If you want to call it Operation Twinkletoes, that's fine. I'm trying to reach for like an obscure Greek reference here. It's like, no, Operation Twinkletoes. Much better. There you go. I mean, I know you like the cool names. And I'm up for a cool name as much as the next guy. But I like, for some reason in my head, I guess, keep coming back to Operation Twinkletoes. Here's the important thing about a project name. It has to feel right. Yeah. It has to feel right. And Project Twinkletoes, it feels right. I think Operation Twinkletoes. Operation Twinkletoes. There we go. Operation Twinkletoes. So, quick update on Operation Twinkletoes. Uh-huh. As you said, uh, the first two pairs are now in existence and in my possession. And are even being worn by me. Ooh, right now. Not, not right now. Oh. But I was wearing them yesterday when I saw you. So, you got to see them in real life. I did. I saw them in real life. Yeah. When you came through London after filming some objectivity. Mm-hmm. I was originally thinking, oh, Brady's in town. Do I really want to go see him for a drink? I don't know. I was a bit meh on the whole evening to be honest. But when you did then send me the message telling me that you had the sneakers. I thought, oh, okay, I should go out and see him. I want to see what these things actually look like. And I was very glad that I made the journey. What did you think of them in real life? I think they look really good in real life. It's always different like when you see a thing for real. Right? The internet as fantastic as it is can never quite convey the physical presence of a thing. Mm-hmm. Like, in all of the pictures, I was a little bit uncertain about the thickness of that white soul. But in real life, I think it came out great. So I have to say, two thumbs up for Projects Operation Twinkle Toes. I can't believe how much I love them. You're smitten, Brady. You're smitten. I am. I am smitten. I'm just like, I'm in love. So I've got one pair that I'm wearing. I've got another pair I'm keeping in the box for the museum. Yeah. I can't roll out cracking the other ones out of the box when my current ones die. Well, you said you were going to get a whole bunch of spares, right? A whole bunch of redundancy sneakers. It wasn't that the plan. You were going to order like 10 for yourself so you always have the lifetime of flying. I don't remember saying that. That was a snob. That sounds familiar. I think that's what you're pretty sure. That's what you said. It's not something I would do, but I don't know. Maybe I do need an extra pair. And despite me telling people not to order them, and I meant it when I said it, quite a few people have, not like an embarrassing number, just like a nice number, enough for me to feel like the project was worth doing. Because if no one ordered any, and I was the only person who owned a pair, it would feel a bit stupid. But knowing that there are other pairs out there, a nice modest number of other people wearing them, it feels like we made a thing. That was nice. So I'm really happy with how it's gone. Do you have an estimated shipping date for the sneakers? Do you know when they're going to be out in the real world? I don't think it's going to take that long. I'm going to close off like this round of orders shortly, just so I can get the factory to start making them. I went and visited the factory by the way. I'm going to get the factory making them. And then I'll keep orders open for a bit longer for a second batch. Because as people start sending pictures of them, they might think, oh, I think I want a pair. But like I said, don't feel like you need to have them. I think it's just basically the shoe enthusiasts and sneakerheads have spoken, and they're the ones who've gotten themselves a pair. So I'm happy that they're happy. I'm happy they're happy as well. It's been really nice. Crazy Brady project made real. We have been sent the coolest thing we have ever been sent. We get sent some weird stuff to the Hello Internet postbox. Yeah. We, again, you get sent some weird stuff to the Hello Internet postbox. The very, the very weirdness of some of the things that you get sent is the very reason I do not have, nor do not want a Hello Internet postbox by me. I feel like I'll let you deal with all the stuff that shows up. There has been some weird stuff, but this thing is so awesome. It's going to blow your mind. Oh, really? Now this has come from someone you will be familiar with because when I finally have the Hello Internet medals of honor struck, and that is another project that is ongoing. It has been progress there by the way. That needs a name, Greg. What do we call the medal project? Sorry, I just, I have to stop here, Brady, because when you were talking about the penguins, I didn't want to say anything out of pure politeness, but I was thinking about those medals in the back of my mind. I was like, I don't know if Brady remembers those. I wonder if he forgot about those medals. No, no, there are ongoing discussions. There's work being done on this project. This is not a forgotten project, but it hasn't got a name. Maybe that's what's wrong. It hasn't got a name. So do you want to give it a name? First thing that comes to mind, project Vulcan. I feel like the being forged. Yeah, it's all right. Yeah. We can find something better later, but you know, just for now. Okay. Working title Vulcan. Yeah, there you go. Anyway, when those medals finally are forged, somewhere in the bails of the mighty black stump by Machooming, the first recipient is going to be a chap named Chris. And Chris will be remembered by long time listeners as the person who used to work near Air Force One on the stairs and used to listen to Hello Internet while driving the stairs for Air Force One or sitting in the stairs for Air Force One, waiting to drive them. Yeah, he was very clear about not driving the stairs while listening. That's very important. Exactly. He was very important to not get him fired. So Chris has raised the bar with a special gift that he sent us. I'm going to send you a photo, Gray. So you can see it. So I got this huge box. What is this? What you're looking at is a framed Hello Internet flag, a nail and gear flag. And underneath the flag is a certificate of authenticity, which I think is a cute touch, but which also has the purpose of explaining what the flag is. And I'll read what the certificate says to you. Okay. It says, this is to certify that on August the 6th, 2016, this Hello Internet flag was flown on board VC 25 tail number 2800, call sign Air Force One from joint base Andrews, Maryland, to Otis Air National Guard base Massachusetts. So this Hello Internet nail and gear was flown aboard Air Force One. Wow. Which I think is pretty cool. That is pretty cool. But like as if that's not cool enough, Chris was then, because Chris is obviously a member of the Armed Forces, and he was deployed elsewhere. He no longer works with Air Force One, and he was sent to Afghanistan. So we can't say exactly what and where and what he did for operational reasons. But it did also fly on a C17 Globemaster 3 and a C130J cargo and passenger aircraft used by the Air Force. And then it was dragged from pillar to post around Afghanistan. Wow. And I'll send you a picture of Chris holding the flag while deployed in Afghanistan. So this flag has some adventures. That looks like a flag in deployment. That's for sure. Yeah. Holy cow. Got a big gun as well. All sorts. That's a cool picture. So there we go. This is a very special nail and gear flag that deserves full respect. It should not be allowed to touch the ground and I won't touch the ground because he's had it all framed up. And the thing that's interesting was he sent it from Afghanistan. So he had to find someone in Afghanistan to do all the frame before him. And it's been amazingly well framed. Like really professional. So in some village summer in Afghanistan, he's taken in this flag and said, can you frame this up? And then he sent it from there to me here in England. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. If this flag could talk, the stories it would tell, hey. It's amazing. This is fantastic. I always love seeing the nail and gear flag flying in crazy locations. But this really is a step further than it's a certificate of authenticity for Air Force One. And that's fantastic. And in this big box as well, like it was full of treasures. Mm hmm. That was good. Sent to you. I mean, Barrett is like, he also threw it in the box as a little, as a little wink, wink extra. And it's perhaps the thing that excited me most. Mm hmm. A whole bunch of packets of official President Obama, Pina M&Ms, you know, with the presidential logo and stuff on them that you always hear about. So I've got official President M&Ms. Wait, I don't know what you, do you mean that the president has an individual logo or you just mean the president's logo? No, they make M&Ms and they also make Hershey kisses. They make like little packets of M&Ms for the president and they come in like a little box with... I have never heard about this. Have you not heard of this? It's like a big deal. Is that the sound of opening the presidential M&Ms there, Brady? Yeah. And here's the sound of me eating them. They're very old, so I probably shouldn't be doing this, but here we go. So it's, it's a box of M&Ms with the president's logo and the president's signature below it. Yeah. So you have Barack Obama signed presidential M&M box. I've never heard of this. So is this something like they just pass out on Air Force One, I guess? I think it's just to meet the president sometimes. You get them and they're like a little souvenir. Yeah, when you meet the president, he shakes your hand and he gives you like a little wink and he slides you a box of M&M's as a little chocolate reward. I think that's kind of how it goes. Okay. I bet it has a hard work to stuff about it. And I've said you one other thing that was in the package, which was also really interesting. Oh, it looks like those Hershey kisses have a little American flag wrapper. The best flag, the most love flag in the world. Fantastic. Yeah, we'll come to that in a minute. It is. Best flag, most love flag. So the other thing, and I've just sent you a picture. And these are like Velcro patches, which have had embroidered on them. Mm-hmm. One is the nail and gear. Mm-hmm. And one is the H.I. logo. Well, you really did get a box full of goodies. I did. But the thing about these, I said, what are the what are these patches all about? Mm-hmm. And what these are is in the military, you have unit patches that you wear on your uniform. Mm-hmm. But most people also sneak on what they call morale patches, which are usually something, he says in his email, which are usually something crude, funny, meaningful, or all of the above. Mm-hmm. The afghans on base make custom patches. So I thought it would be cool to have the H.I. flag and logo made. Not the best quality, but unique. So these are morale patches that have been made in Afghanistan by Afghans on the base for our soldier. I got to say, I think in particular the nail and gear makes a pretty badass morale badge. That looks pretty awesome. It's cool. It's cool. So all these pictures of this stuff are in the show notes for people that want to look at them. And they're well worth a look. That's interesting. I'm glad you enjoyed getting boxes of treasures, Brady. When an Operation Project working title Vulcan comes to an end, not only do I think Chris has to get a medal, he has to get whatever the next one up is like with a cluster of acorns or whatever the upgrade is on a medal of honor. Yeah, I have to say this stuff is absolutely fantastic. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. Thank you very much. Really enjoyed. Really enjoyed all that. Above and beyond. This episode of Hello Internet is brought to you in part by Hover. Get 10% off your first purchase by going to hover.com slash HI. When you have an idea that you want to make real in the world and you want a website for that idea, Hover is the place to go. They're the first place I always try for domain names. 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So once again, if you have a project and you want to grab a domain name for that project, go to hover.com slash h.i to get 10% off your first purchase. They're the registrar you should use, they're the registrar I use. Thanks to Hover for supporting the show. We talked about was the American flag the most loved flag in the world, by its people. Have you seen a lot of feedback on this grave you had any thoughts? Some people sent some things in right some limp noodle kind of responses of like, oh, I think people really like the flag of Denmark. Oh, there's lots of flags in the aisle of man. But like as far as I'm concerned, the volume of responses that we got is an indicator that the American flag truly is the most loved flag in the world. Because if I think we were doing it in the reverse way, if we were saying something like, oh, the union jack is the most loved flag in the world, we would have heard from every American alive. There would have been just a crushing tsunami of feedback. So as far as I'm concerned, the limited feedback on a couple of minor suggestions of places that really love their flag, I'm not convinced. I don't think they anybody really sold their point. The American flag, obviously, most love flag in the world. I have a different perspective on this. I'll do you. Because I've seen a lot of feedback on this. Lots of people made the cases for various flags, sort of Canada came up quite a bit. Yeah, Canada was probably the closest, I would say. No, no, no, no. Oh, excuse me, excuse me. Without doubt, the people who made the most noise, and you're right because we were using America as the start point. We were less likely to have Americans contact us. That is a good point you make. But I'll come back to that in a minute. But without doubt, the people I heard from the most and the people who made the most voiceiferous case were Scandinavians from various countries. Norway came up a lot, Sweden a bit. And this is backed up very much actually by the postcard referendum. Because if you look at the front of the postcards, which we didn't do very much during our count for obvious reasons, many, many Scandinavians sent postcards that were just various photos of their flags. And when I go through them now for the podcast postcard website, I'm always seeing Scandinavian flags. But amongst the feedback we got, and you mentioned it, without doubt Denmark came up the most often. Yeah, that was the one that I saw the most of, I think. Danish people definitely love their flag. And I've been looking at it a little bit. And I can see various reasons for it. One is, and I didn't realise, it's apparently it is the flag that holds the record for being the oldest continuously used national flag. Which is I can see why there's something they would take some pride in. I think Denmark has a fair claim to it, definitely anecdotally. And you can read a lot about it, and it's got a name, and they talk all about it. So maybe Denmark, maybe Denmark. When it comes to the United States, definitely their flags are big deal. No, I'm not going to argue against that. But for me, I could be wrong about this, but I feel a little bit like with Americans. Americans just love America so much, and love being American. And they can't just frustrated, and they need to find a way to show their Americanness. And that's what they use the flag for. So like I sometimes think that kind of over love of the American flag and American flags everywhere is not so much a love of the flag for the flag itself. But for just the love of their country, where is the Denmark flag love? Does seem a lot more disconnected from being Danish? And it's just we just think our flag is beautiful, and it's like got this great history, and we like using it for decorating our Christmas trees and things like that. Like they just like their flag. It's not Denmark, yeah, we're Danish. Let's put Danish flags over everything because we're the best country. It's more just we think our flag is beautiful, and it's got a great story and a great history. And I know America has a bit of that too, but America it's a lot more used as just like this device for showing their love of the country. And I think that's an important difference. I don't know man, I feel like you're trying to create another category here so that you can have a win for Denmark. Like this whole like, ooh, I'm going to come up with this thing about the Danish people loving their flag. It's like an independent thing separate from the nation of Denmark as opposed to all Americans. Like I'm not buying your story here Brady. I do agree with you like Americans love the American flag because they love America. Yeah, but that's what this is right. The flag is it's a thing it's a literal flag to wave for whatever team you're associating with. That's what it is. But I don't think that's what the Danish are doing. I think they're a little bit more dispassionate about it. Well, and I think they're more just we think it's got a great story and we like how it looks. Their dispassion sounds like less intense love. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, they're sitting in a cultural museum in Scandinavia going, hmm, quite. Yes, they're what a lovely flag, right? But Americans, I mean, they're they're plastering it all over everything. They've got pants with the stripes. They've got funny hats. I think the American love is obviously the most intense in the world for their flag. I'm going to let it go. Score one for Team America. Okay, you can have it. I don't agree. And I think I could make more points but maybe we'll save it for another day because it's only follow up. Now we talked about what does English sound like to non-English speakers. A good way of putting it, which we didn't put it at the time, but I think I've since seen you put it. What does English gibberish sound like? Mm-hmm. And people sent us various videos and gray posted a video and I've seen all sorts of things. But there was one video that was sent by a person who I don't know and I tried to find out who it was because I wanted to thank them but it's been lost in the midst of time. But they sent me this video and I'm so glad they did because it's become one of my all-time favourite YouTube videos. And I reckon I must have watched it 20 times this week. It's a song by someone called Adriano Celen Tano. And how would you say the title of this song, really? I'll pass on that. Yeah, you're going to pass. Because it looks like a big nonsensical word to me. But this Italian guy apparently is like a really big deal in Italy. He's like his famous actor, director, musician, singer, comedian. He sounds like he's a bit of everything. And this video is him. It looks like it was filmed, this clip I've got of it. It looks like it was filmed at like some live TV show in his performance where he's pretending to kind of like be a school teacher in front of a classroom which are all in fact kind of dancing women at desks. And he sings this song to them and they sort of sing along as well. And it's English gibberish. I read a description of it somewhere where it was basically, he wrote this song from when he couldn't speak English. But he used to always listen to American songs. And he sort of thought they all kind of sounded a bit the same. And even though he didn't understand it, they had a sound to them. Just making the sounds of American songs. And he sings this song on stage. And I bloody love it. Yeah, I gotta say I hadn't seen this before. It is fantastic. Like we got in and dated with a bunch of different versions of what does English sound like videos. And all of them are, I mean obviously I can't actually know because I like English is the only language I speak. But a lot of them, it doesn't sound right to me or it feels like, I don't know how accurate that is. It's not impressed with them. I would say that this video feels like it really does capture something. And I think the fact that it's a song really helps. Yes. It's like allowing you to unfocus a little bit on the words and go for the sounds. Because it's a really common thing anyway for us isn't it? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it was about. And that's what this is like. It's like you're listening to it. It's a really good song. Yeah, it's English. Because he seems to be saying the odd word that I hear is English. So it's absolutely genius. And it's a really cool song. It is fantastic. It does have this weird quality of being like a generic song. I feel like I've heard this song a thousand times. But this is a new thing. The video is also just bizarre. His mannerisms, the schoolgirls. The whole thing has that quality of like, am I high watching this? It's very weird. But I think that really adds to it. And as an English speaker, this is the thing that to me I feel like comes closest to you. It comes closest to conveying a sense of what it must be like to hear English if you don't actually understand English. And it's interesting to hear you say that he wrote it when he didn't speak English. So maybe that's partly what captures it as well. He's just trying to go for a song that sounds like all of these things in the years. So yeah, it's really fantastic. It'll be in the show notes. People should definitely check it out. It's worth watching as well as just hearing. It is worth watching. Apparently his nickname Italy is Mola Giato, which means the flexible one. Because of his dancing, which makes sense if you see his dancing. It's quite funny. But go on, Greybeat Naughty. You're going to play a little bit of it, aren't you? I'm a little bit in that too, so all right. You know I'm famous, you get out of the door. That's a baby, but I'm still out of dignity. You're old. I high, I say. That's fair use. That's fair use. I tell you what, I've sat here watching it so many times. I love it. I love it. Good song, Betsy. My peace and kindness, nice and soul. All right. Good action, I'm Bill, as you can go to me, don't worry. Let's play with all that til I pick you up. So Greybeat, I've got a bit of follow-up that dates back to it. It must be one of our first ever episodes where we talked about electricity in bathrooms. Oh yeah? Do you remember this? Not really, no. I was kind of banging on about electricity. I can't even remember what we were talking about either. I do have to say, like, just as a slide side down here, we have definitely reached the point where just the past couple of days on Twitter, people were sending me things that were obviously follow-ups to the show. And I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about. What you're referencing, I was like, we've done it so long I'm getting follow-up items for things. I remember what I could have ever said on this topic, but obviously we discussed it at some point in the past. So this is definitely falling into this category of like electricity in the bathroom, so we discussed that. I'll take your word for it. Well, my memory was I was bigging up the danger of electricity in bathrooms and the danger that people could die from the mixture of electricity and water. And you would downplaying it. That sounds like my opinion. Yeah. I'm not going to claim like a one-off story changes anything. There was an interesting new story that lots of people pointed out and because it involved iPhones as well, I thought it was worth a nod. And that was the story of a man in the UK who has sadly died while in the bath and he was electrocuted by his iPhone, which he was charging. I'm immediately suspicious of this whole story. Oh no, this is totally legit. There was like a coronal inquest in that. Let me put it this way. It's not that I'm suspicious of the story. I feel like I need the details of this. I'll give you some. Okay. What exactly happened here? He plugged the charger into an extension cord from the whole way and then rested it on his chest while using the phone. Okay. So he's not actually using the electricity in the bathroom. He's plugging into the electricity outside of the bathroom. Yeah, but I thought you said it was okay to have electricity in the bathroom. In the UK, I know there's a whole bunch of like weird additional requirements about like what electrical sockets you can have in the bathroom. There's additional annoyances about electricity in the bathroom, at least in the UK. Which this guy was obviously circumventing by Charlie. Like, oh, you're safety measures that help with this. So he had the phone on his like chest and hand and part of it touched the water and then he was really badly burned and really badly injured and he died of course. So it sounds like it was pretty, it was pretty horrific. The coroner said these seem like innocuous devices but can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in the bathroom. They should attach warnings. I intend to write a report later to the makers of the phone. Oh, okay. Yeah, you do that, buddy. Yeah. I love to have a warning on absolutely everything. That's what we need. More written warnings that nobody pays attention to. I mean, I think this person was doing a silly thing. But as you know, I'm very paranoid about electricity in bathrooms. My question with this and the thing that is confusing to me is, where is the circuit breaker in all of this? I want to know, what was this cable plugged into on the other end? Yeah, and was it like a pirate cable or was it like a legit Apple one as well? I'm not clear on it. I think the UK fuses it up a bit too much. Like, there's a fuse in the plug head. There's a fuse in the circuit breaker for your house. Like, and there's a fuse for the circuit breaker in the room. When you're telling me that like a dude is running a cable out of his bathroom into some other thing and he electrocuted himself to death. I just want to know where, where was the circuit breaker? I think bathrooms, I'm just reading some comments under the story now. Apparently bathrooms, even in America maybe, have these super fast circuit breakers, ground fault circuit interruptors, which are faster and which are handy for appliances and water. And because obviously he was circumventing that by plugging it in outside the bathroom, he made matters worse for himself. So don't plug things into electricity and lead cords into your bathroom and then put the cord over the lip of the bath into the bath full of water you're lying in. I think is the take a message from that? Yeah, maybe. I just, I feel like there's some missing piece to this story. Like, he was doing something dumber than it sounds like just from this description. I feel like there's a missing piece to this. I'm not encouraging the people to do some things electricity in the bathroom. I'm not on the opposite side of that. I just feel like there's something in this story that is incomplete. Is this nagging feeling that I have? But I don't know. If someone was charging their iPhone and so ultimately the phone was attached in some way to the mains electricity and they were in the bath and the phone was anywhere near the bath, I would lose the plot. I would go crazy if I saw someone doing that. So you would obviously be a little bit more relaxed about it. Yeah, I'd be asking all kinds of questions about like, Oh, do you have all the proper fuses in place? Ah, you do? Okay, I wouldn't worry. Anyway, thanks to everyone who also sent it to us at shows that even things from episode, I don't know, it must have been one of the first few episodes. Still coming up. People have good memories. People have good memories. No, it's not that people have good memories, Brady. It's that somebody is always listening to the show right at that time. That's what's happening, right? It's not that people remember. It's this wave of people who are working their ways through the show from the beginning. Yeah. That's what's occurring there. Either the day after this podcast goes out or just when people are listening to it, that Brexit, the official notice, is going to actually be served. Supposedly on the 29th of March, Brexit is going to happen for real. Article 50 has been triggered. Brexit is real. This is a thing that I was like very wrong about because I kept personally thinking like there is no way it's going to actually happen. I was expecting there's going to be delays and delays forever that it's just like it's all words, words, words, words until the thing actually happens. So this is the case where the thing is definitely happening. And I have to say this is a most surprising political thing to me. And it's like, well, I guess it's really going to be here and I am surprised. I also think I'll put the link to Theresa May's interview about why Scotland shouldn't have a independence referendum. Now it's not the time, Gray. No, it's not the time. No, now's not the time. We can't have a referendum where you don't know what the results are going to be on the other side, Brady. That would be crazy. Scotland wouldn't want to do that. No, no, not at all. Scotland, if you're listening, I'm still saying I think you should run. That's still my opinion. Like get out while you can, guys. You know, if Brexit hadn't happened, the campaign for another vote on it would already be sort of starting. Yeah, of course. It's another vote. Just like how Scottish independence didn't happen and they found an excuse to discuss it again in Australia when they wanted to become a Republican, it didn't happen. Talk starts about doing it again and stuff like that. It seems like when change doesn't happen, we just start wanting it. But the minute we voted for change, there was no correspondence being entered into about having a second vote on that. It's like we're doing it. We're doing it. We're brist on the button right now. Like it's a funny thing, isn't it? It's the same with all these things. Like the people don't accept the Umpires decision and then until and then when the Umpires decision goes a certain way, we all go crazy. So there we go. We're leaving the EU. So I still haven't applied for my Irish passport. I must do that. Oh, for actually we're going to do that. Yeah. Yeah. My wife is busy working through some UK citizenship papers like just in case. So yeah, no, we're trying to we're just like working on a contingency plan just in case. So try to make things nice and smooth. I find it amazing. I find it amazing that you start this two year process to leave and start the negotiation with like no, there's no safety net or anything. It's just like you're in the, I can't imagine being in a week in negotiating position than the U.K. is in. Like they're in the, they're in like so they got nothing. I know. All they've got is we buy a lot of German cars. I know. That's all we've got. And like, you know, I don't think Germany's going to give us, you know, and Germany's that hasn't got the final sign anything anyway. So, but that's the only argument I ever hear for Europe giving us any anything at all is are they kind of need us because we buy a lot of cars. We don't buy that many cars. But it's it's astounding. UK does seem to be in a terrible negotiating position. Like the worst ever. But Theresa May is still super confident. I hope she's right. You know, I hope she's right. I want to be really, really wrong on this. I want the UK to do amazingly well as an independent Wales glint. Like I hope it does fantastically. I think Theresa may is in such a straight end position because I don't think she's that passionate about it. Like she was never she wasn't pro Brexit before the election. But obviously it made her prime minister because Cameron then went it's a bit like if you it's a bit like if I made a YouTube video about clouds and it got a hundred million views. And I and I and I became the cloud guy Brady Harron the guy that made the hundred million view cloud video. What's he going to do next? Suddenly I would find myself having to be like a cloud YouTuber right now and all my videos are about clouds because it's what made me. And that's what's happened to her. She's like I know people that's happened to essentially. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's really does happen on YouTube. It's like that's what. Yeah. This is you forever now. Yeah. You become you become known for something. So and that's what's happened to her. It was she. Brex is her clouds video. And now she's like she has to just go all in. Yeah, yeah, it made me prime minister. I love Brexit. We're going to do it. We're going all the way. Even though she's not that into it. It's going to be a fun two years. I'm sure. It's going to be. Carrick. Six months top will have it all wrapped up negotiations will be done. Nice bow on top of it. The EU will be very happy to work with us on all the hard demands. It's going to be fantastic. Oh well. You could always move back to America. It's great over there. Or I can move to the EU. You got options. There's no more English speaking countries in the EU for you. Do you know who's there? Ireland. Ireland speaks English. Oh yeah. And the Netherlands speaks English very much. Yeah. They speak better English than us. Yeah. 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So I think until now, until now I think people have been kind of all right about MPs having other jobs if they're like a doctor or a lawyer or something. But this one, I think, was a step too far, so that's put the whole issue into the spotlight. But I find it completely strange anyway that members of Parliament can even have other jobs. Like it just says to me, like being a member of Parliament shouldn't be a part-time job to me. It just makes it seem like it's just a big soft job anyway that you've got time to go and, you know, you should be representing your constituents and going to Parliament and debating and voting and writing laws. Oh, you're so charming. You're so charming. I feel like I want to patch you on the head. Like, oh, isn't that sweet. Like how is it? I mean, everybody has a bit of spare time in their job and does this a bit, but actually having whole other jobs, like, you know, if I employed someone, as a full-time filmmaker for me, and I found out on the side they were also running a law practice, I'd be like, hang on a second. I thought you worked for me. So, like, to do it so brazenly, so, I don't know. And the counter-argument is they think MPs need to be diverse and understand the way the world works and therefore you shouldn't just have career politicians. You should have people who know the world. So you want to encourage people who have other jobs. But that's okay. I want people to come from an interesting background and have experienced the world. But the day you get elected, I think you should put that job on hold and be working for the people for at least four or five years. Okay, so here's a question. I don't know the answer to this. Are there term limits for MPs in the UK? No. Okay, so you could theoretically be an MP for the whole rest of your life. Yes. Huh. Because I was thinking, like, oh, if there's term limits, you know, you have to have, you have to be prepared for the day that you could vote it out of office. They get great pensions. You know, even if they only do one term though, they've got a good pension for life. They're taken care of. Yeah, but I bet, like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna suggest that perhaps the kinds of people who become politicians are ambitious people who like to do stuff. Like, I think that has to just be part of your personality. No matter what you might think of any particular politician, I don't think that they're a bunch of lazy bones. So you're saying that them have their cake and ate it too? Well, if there's no, if there's no term limits, I think that actually does make things ever so slightly different. But I don't know. I'm kind of with you. I feel like it's mostly an indication of what I would kind of suspect that at least in the UK, like being a member of parliament, it's not actually a lot of time. It's not taking up 70 hours a week if you're also being a doctor on the side, right? You're keeping up your law practice. I mean, I guess what I'm wondering here, Brady, is are you gonna be running as an MP and you wanna know if you can keep your YouTube job on the side? I think if one of us was gonna become a politician, it would be you. I think you would be better at it. I could not disagree with you more. I would be the worst politician. No, you would be a better politician than I would. Without a doubt, no question about it. You're such like you're an affable guy. Everybody loves Brady. You shake people's hands. You get stuff done. You're literally creating manufacturing jobs in the United Kingdom with a production of shoes. I like. That is true. I might get voted in Northampton, China. Yeah. If you're halfway there already, I'm surprised you haven't been elected. I couldn't be a politician. Why? Why do you say that? I'm too passionate. That seems like it's an advantage. You get to ask fiery questions during prime minister's personal time. No, but you also get asked questions and I'd give the wrong answers. You don't think you could be politic? I'm not careful enough. You're more careful. This is where I have to totally disagree with you. I don't think that's the case. I am terrible with people. I am not good at negotiating. I'm not good at working with people. You are good at negotiating. And you're not terrible with people. You don't like it. But when you have to do it, and you go and give yourself a little sign up in the back room beforehand. This is true. When you actually step out and do it, you're very good. You're very charming. You're very entertaining. People like talking to you. You just have to give yourself a little sign up each time. Or have a little nipper vodka or something. It sounds like a great start to a political career. We winston Churchill in no time. Maybe no other of us can really be politicians. I genuinely think you could do it. No. I think if you put your mind to it, you could do it pretty. I think you also have to get elected. Someone could cut together 20 seconds out of this podcast. I'd be the most unelected person ever. What do you think about teachers? They're basically babysitters crossed with prison guards. Like, okay, fwomp. Like, there goes a huge portion of the podcast. Yeah, I guess you've got some pretty popular positions on a few things. But that'd be a problem. I'm sure the news media would love me. Right? Oh, the news. I don't read it. It's worthless. I'm like, oh, great. You're gonna have a great story that are gonna come out to me in the media. So that's why I wouldn't have a chance in the world of being a politician. And I also think I would be absolutely terrible at it. I don't know, but food Brady. I think Brady could do it. So sports ball corner, we didn't do one last time, so. Yeah, we don't do one every time. I think this one has a better chance than usual. This one, I prettier because, well, it doesn't involve balls. And secondly, it doesn't involve a shaky dog story or a specific story. It's more just a general opinion. Right. Because there's been a lot of horse racing on lately. And horse racing is one of the few sports that I don't even consider a sport. Are there a lot of things with horse racing? Yeah, there's like a peak season. So there's just been a thing called the Gold Cup in Cheltenham and stuff in the UK. But as part of the bias, it's been one of the big horse events of the year. So it's been in my face a bit. I just take all my usual sports sources like radio stations I listened to in the car and stuff have been like deluging me with horse racing, which I don't like. Because I don't think I'd to sport. But I see a slight hypocrisy in myself because I do consider motor racing a sport and I love Formula One. But I can imagine some of the same arguments that are used against their car racing being, how sporty that is versus horse racing. Where do you place horse racing and car racing on the spectrum of things that you consider to be sport, whatever sport means? Horse racing seems like more of a sport, at least for the horses than car racing. Well, okay, yeah, for the horses, I wasn't really thinking the horse is perspective. But they're the ones doing the work. Well, they're not the ones getting all the nice things. Yeah, it's not about the nice things, but it's like the sport, right? It's like a physical contest. So you consider horse racing to be just like a horse sport and where does where's watching? But I don't think the horses know they're competing against each other. I don't think it's not relevant. Is that not relevant? The horses could lack consciousness at all. And I think it would still be a sport, right? It's like a physical competition between horses. So if at the end of the month I said, guess what, Gray? I said, I'm going to beat you in the doughnut eating contest. I ate four doughnuts this month in you ate three. And you're like, I didn't know we were having a doughnut eating contest. I'd say it doesn't matter. I still won. Like, you have to know you're competing for something to be a contest. Otherwise, it's not a contest. Like, okay, what I'm thinking of is I'm thinking like Greyhound racing. You know, were they chased the little, they chased the little rag? Yeah, well, I don't, don't start me on that. I don't think that's a sport I live. But like, but I know people do. I don't have a problem with it. Like, it, so, but you consider horse racing more of a sport than car racing. Yeah, more of a sport for horses. Right. But less of a sport for humans? Probably. Well, I mean, you obviously know horse racing. Hasing has jockeys, don't you? And trainers who train the horses. But yeah. Yeah, there's, there's, there's, there's jockeys. I feel like the rare times I have ridden a horse. I'm very sore afterward. So it's obviously a physical activity. Is that like, you ridden a horse. I can't believe you've ridden a horse. Listen, man, I've ridden horses, you know. Where have you ridden horses? You know, where you're riding horses. Don't you, don't you worry about it. Look, you know, maybe when you last rode a horse. When did I last ride a horse? Uh, oh, I could probably actually pull up the photo of when I last rode a horse. I'm going to say about nine years ago was the last time I rode a horse. God, I was a little kid last time I was on a horse. Like I was like, yeah, but were you on like a horse or were you on a pony? Like did you take a horse back to the other horse? I was on a horse, but there were like four of them in a row tied to each other. No, no, no. I've never like ridden a horse like, beyond just walking around like, like a sandy track inside a fence. I've never ridden a horse properly. No, no, no, no, no. I think I have. No, no, no, no. It sounds like you and I had very different upbringing. I've ridden an elephant. I have not ridden an elephant. I remember riding elephants and like I was about to go on this elephant ride. And at the start of the ride they gave us like this huge bunch of bananas and said you can go and feed the elephant. So I'm like, oh, because you're such a nice elephant and you're about to give me a ride. I'm going to give you lots and lots of bananas. So I must have given this elephant like 40 bananas. And oh, no, that's like nothing for them. And just as I was giving it the last banana and it was taken with its trunk it was like taking my final banana and eating it. This big lovely greedy elephant. They walked up to me with this like second elephant. That was like desperately reaching out trying to get my last banana but it was too late. The other one had got it. And it turns out this second elephant was the one that was taking me on the ride. And this other one was just the one that sits there and eats bananas because it's nice and tame. And the poor one that was doing all the hard. Yeah, okay, I got no bananas. I feel sad just listening to that story. Yeah. Just the, just the, I've never seen a trunk look sad but it was quite impressive. So when was your last horse ride? You found the picture? Oh, I wasn't actually looking but yeah, I think about nine years ago. That's probably not right. Where were you? I was out in Arizona or New Mexico somewhere. I did like a, like a trail ride on a horse. What kind of hat were you wearing? The coolest cowboy hat imaginable. Did you really wear a cowboy hat? I must have, yeah. Cowboy hat, boots, chappings, chaps for the stirrups. Did you have a Leso? Yeah, yeah, I had a Leso as well. It was all the horseback riding gear. It was great. Are you chewing tobacco? No, no, I don't chew tobacco. No, of course not. I'm not just making up stuff here. I don't know. I wouldn't be chewing tobacco. That's cool, man. But anyway, back to the main point. Oh, we're spraising sport for horses. Yeah. That's my verdict here. Okay. I don't think the horses need to know their competing for it to still be a horse sport. All right. So the other thing I wanted to bring up, and this is another thing that's been in the news a bit lately, where do you stand on e-sports? Because there's been a lot of debate lately about where the e-sports are sport or not. So some of the world's best e-sports computer game person recently got like the same high level exclusive visa for the US that athletes get. Yeah, the e-sports thing, I find kind of fascinating. Why am I not surprised? Well, just to be clear, I don't actually really, I don't follow e-sports in any way. What I find fascinating about it is that it has all of the trappings of real sports. There's something endlessly hilarious to me about watching, say, a starcraft game, and hearing that like the sports commentator is doing like the sports commentator voice, and I don't know. There's something that's super funny about that to me. I think that's a much more interesting question than the horses, because I feel like you need to have some kind of physical components to a sport, and if you've ever seen what the best in the world e-sports guys are doing, I think you can make a real argument for it's a tremendous physical skill. Their ability to manipulate the keyboard and mouse, it sounds like a joke, but I'll try to wrestle up some of these videos. No, no, and they have good reflexes. I don't so much buy into the argument that people like to make, they have to be super fit, you know, and exercise lots because they put into the peak condition. I get that's legitimate, but I don't really agree with it. But yeah, I agree they have like really good reflexes and coordination, which is two things that make someone good at sport, and they can be quite tactical. To be honest, like when you first say e-sports and computer games to me, I like kind of scoff and don't think it's sport. And really that is what I think. But whenever I read like a written argument where the two cases are outlined, and I've read a few different arguments about, are they sports people or not? I always land on the side wall with a kind of R really. It's kind of, you can't really argue that when you look at some other people who are considered, you know, because I consider sort of, you know, snooker players and darts and that, I consider sport, even though the people playing that aren't exactly wonderful specimens. And I find it hard to allow myself to consider that sport and then not e-games. I guess the only difference is like a basis, like a sort of a physical reality. Like I know they exist in reality and they're hitting keyboards and buttons and things, but the thing they're playing doesn't exist in reality, whereas even a big fat darts player with a beer, at least they're still a dart is still hitting a board, or a snooker bowl is still hitting a table. So I sometimes wonder whether or not I should e-sports should fall into a similar category to someone who's really good at Scrabble or Monopoly or other games, because there, again, people can be very good at it, but not, but the thing they're playing is a bit more abstract. So that's the one thing where e-sports starts falling down for me. The true crucible of where the competition is happening, like where the rubber meets the road isn't a real physical place. That's the one place, that's the one definition where it starts to not quite feel like a physical sport to me, even though a real thumb is hitting a button, like the real place where the clash is happening and the things being decided is a bit too abstract. Yeah, there's a layer of indirection that's occurring here, and I can see that being an argument against it. Although, again, I don't follow e-sports, like for the same reasons I don't follow regular sports, like for the most part, my mind is not interested in this kind of thing. But I do have to say that that level of indirection is actually what makes it way more interesting to me for the few things that I have seen. When I occasionally click around and watch some videos, I love the fact that, for example, some of the biggest ones are variations on essentially a capture of the flag kind of game. This is like a legal vengeance. There's games that are like this where there's two teams, three players on a team, and they're doing a capture of the flag game, essentially. But what I think makes it more interesting to watch than a regular sport is the layer of indirection allows the players to be very different things on the, quote, playing field. And I think that makes it much more interesting than just like, oh, there's 10 humans on this side, and there's 10 humans on that side. I find that makes it much more interesting to watch when like the virtual players, like one of them is 10 times bigger than the others, or like one of them has the ability to teleport to a different location. Like I think that makes the competition vastly more interesting. And it is through esports that I can have some appreciation of why people like physical sports. Because I've definitely seen like very high level players pull off moves in esports where I feel like, wow, that is incredibly impressive. But also realizing that explaining to someone who was unfamiliar with this game why it is impressive is like an impossible task. In the same way that when sometimes people are describing particular sports events to me about like, look at this impressive thing. It's like, I can't really appreciate why this is so impressive. It looks like any other dunk of the basketball. I don't see what's different about this one. So like, yeah, I sort of feel like though if you do an impressive move, that impressive move was still only allowed because like, you know, the game allowed it or the code are made up possible. And there's like a, there's a hidden thing about the code that makes me just that little bit skeptical. Because you know, I played so many games when I was growing up where the code assists people in certain ways and it doesn't always give equal assistance to everyone. So there's a kind of, and I never really know what's going on under the hood there. Is that going on? You know, I remember playing NBA Jam as a kid for hours and hours. And if you were behind, the computer would always help you catch up. And I know not every game does that. But I don't know. Does it? What's going on? And it's the same with horse racing as you know, like the world's best jockey that wins all this stuff is winning it because he's sitting on top of a horse that helps him more than the guy next to him's horse helps him. So, that kind of thing that you're talking about is called rubber banding. Right where you, you help the person who's behind the game. And in general, most of the games that are at eSports don't really have that kind of thing. There's a really intense focus on the games being super balanced. And is this audited? Like the code is audited by someone or? That's an interesting question. I presume that the code is audited at the big, the big championships. But like a lot of the games are running through the servers of a company who controls it. Like this is like a starcraft model. And I know those companies spend an enormous amount of time being very concerned about how fair the game is and how balanced it is. But when you talk about it in the real world, it's like, well, yeah, these things happen because they're running on the code of the physics of the universe. Like it actually doesn't really seem all that different to me in some ways. Yeah, but I also know that there's no one who can go in and hack the code of the universe. Or do you? It was called the biweekly way in or fit a Tron 5000 or health corner. I don't know what it's called, but should we do a little health thing? If you want to go ahead, go ahead. I don't want this to come across as a humble, but it totally will. Yeah, no, that's that's I always feel why Brady brings up. Yeah, so this is a thousand. I know you have news, right? This isn't supposed to be a humble, but it's more because I just enjoy talking about social situations with you. But as you know, I'm going and seeing a personal trainer. And I'm trying to see him three times a week. I've been a bit off the boil lately, but I am getting back on the horse at the moment. But last weekend on a Sunday night because he doesn't work on weekends. I just felt like I wanted to go to the gym. He's taught me all these exercises I can do. And I can do them on my own. And I just felt motivated. So I was like, I'm going to go to the gym and do a workout and lift weights and do planks and kettlebells and all these all the machines he's taught me to use. And I went there and I started doing a couple. And then to my horror, it turns out he was there doing a workout, my trainer. And he could see me. And I totally lost my nerve because I thought he was watching me and like judging me. About what was I doing the exercises right and stuff. And then at one point, I was like doing this leg weight thing. And he called out across the gym to me. How much weight you got on there, Brody? Oh, God. And I had to call back, uh, 60 kilograms. And it's like, and I ended up like when he wasn't looking sneaking away early. I was embarrassed. You have all of my sympathy with this. It's all of it. I have on my phone a text file, a note where I keep adding all of the times I see the trainer that I worked with months ago at the gym. Because I'm trying to reverse engineer his schedule because I never want to go if he's there. And I've done the exact same thing of like, oh, if he's there, it's like, I don't need to do that last exercise. I could just go, right? It's time to leave. It's ridiculous. It shouldn't matter. But I am with you 100%. And I'm like, I knew when I was working with this person that this was going to be a potential danger for future gray. That when we no longer work together, it might be socially uncomfortable and past gray underestimated how uncomfortable future gray was going to be over this because it turns out that it's a lot. We're totally fine. I am aware of that same thing of like, I'm pretty sure he's watching me like he knows I'm here. Like we don't work together anymore. It's like, I can't, I can't deal with it. I can't, it's, it's very awkward. I made a terrible mistake and I was seriously just actually yesterday looking into seeing if there are other gyms that are nearby that maybe I could switch to. When you're exercising on your own, do you have like a really strong bias towards the sort of exercises that you just enjoy more and the ones that you know you should do, but you don't enjoy. You just don't do those ones. Yeah, of course. Of course, right? What do you enjoy? What ones do you enjoy? There is no exercise more satisfying than the bench press. It's been of an attention-seeking one though. Like people look at you when you're doing that. I don't like doing exercises where people are more likely to be looking at me. Yeah, luckily in my gym, the bench press is not in a like a central location. It's a little bit out of the way, but I'm also very aware and when I was working with the trainer, he's like, this is probably the least effective thing that you could do. I was like, yes, but it's the most satisfying thing. That is fine. I definitely have that bias completely. I am biased towards the machines that are like hidden away where people are less likely to watch. And also ones that don't require any setting up, like if you have to adjust the length of straps or something, because I'm never really coordinated and good at that kind of thing. So if there's anything that requires any set up or hooking on a different set of handles or something, I tend to avoid those ones because I don't know how to work them. And I was always quite into sort of cardio fitness when I was doing it on my own, like I run on the treadmill and stuff like that. But now that I've been introduced to the world of strength stuff and realised I can do that without being absolutely knackered, I've kind of turned my back on cardio a bit, which I shouldn't. Like I'm really biased towards just like lifting weights now or doing machines where I can then have a break for a minute and a drink and a bit of a rest. So no, that's not good for anyway. That's true. All the strength stuff does have built in rest time. Yeah, I like the rest time component. Well, I moved to thing five times, better sit here for three minutes, recovery. Yeah, my favourite exercise is recovery time. Yeah, I have convinced myself that recovery time is incredibly important. Yeah, but based on nothing, I don't actually really know. But it's like there is no part of my exercising that I make sure to never skip more than recovery. Don't cut a second off of recovery time. That's for sure. I'm sure I occasionally have admiring looks from people going, boy, that guy's going to recover. The way he sits taking deep breaths. Well, just look at that guy busy recovery. I don't even know why this is needed to be done. I don't know how serious this is. I don't know what the deal is, but it's like, oh, the app says I can't do anything now. And I am certainly going to follow it. Yeah. But yeah, I'm with you. I definitely haven't been as much of the gym as I otherwise should be. And it is in no small part because I know the trainers there sometimes. But I haven't fully figured out his schedule yet. So it's bad. It's very bad. I just have to switch gyms. What's going to happen? This episode of Hello Internet is brought to you in part by Squarespace. You know Squarespace. They are without doubt hands down the simplest way to go from nothing at all to a beautiful website. With Squarespace is all in one platform, there's nothing to install, patch, or upgrade ever. 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So Sully himself, what's his name? Chesley, Salenberger. He must have been pretty happy when he found out that Tom Hanks was playing him. Do you think Tom Hanks ever wants to be the villain? Like, he rolled out Tom Hanks because he's very good at being sympathetic. I don't quite say every man character, but just like a very sympathetic protagonist for your story. He's likeable. Yeah, he's very likeable. He does the Tom Hanks thing very well. He's always good on camera. When I was watching this, I thought like, I wonder if Tom Hanks, he goes home and he, you know, like kicks his foot against the ground and he thinks like, why can't I be a villain in some movie? Like maybe I wonder if he gets tired of being Tom Hanks. Even that film where he's like a hitman that kills people, he was really nice, wasn't he? He can't ever be like a Cruella de Ville, right? He's always has to be someone likeable Tom Hanks. Yeah. Anyway. So this was US Airways Flight 1549, which in 2009, as Gray said, January 15th, yeah. Hit some Canadian geese that took off from La Guadilla Airport, lost the engines. Sully decided that, along with his copilot, they decided, well, Sully pretty much decided himself. They weren't going to try and land at another airport. They didn't have the altitude and the power. So he glided down for a lovely soft landing on the Hudson River and everyone on board survived. Miracle on the Hudson, they call it. I thought they were going to struggle to make a film about it, to be honest, because the whole thing is all over in, you know, hundreds and something seconds or something like that. It's a pretty short incident to make a whole film about. I was watching this and I was like, oh, Brady's assigned me Sully to watch. And I guess this is the movie version of an NTSB report. It was kind of my feeling about this. I can't say I was super happy to watch this because to put my feelings up front, I felt like the movie alternated between periods of being really boring, where it felt like there was a bunch of stuff happening they don't really care about, and then being like a live anxiety attack of watching. So it's like, we're alternating between like, oh, boring scenes of people getting on a plane, where they're trying to make you emotionally connected with these people. It's like, whatever, I know what's going to happen. I know movie, I know what's happening. And then when things actually do happen, it's like my body isn't capable of not completely clenching up and feeling anxious over watching this stuff. So it was, that was my experience of the movie, like boredom with incredible spikes of anxiety and then boredom. I mean, I sort of assigned it to watch not because I thought you'd particularly like it, or even because I thought it was the best film of all time, but just because, you know, playing crashes is a big, major, motion picture about a plane crash. And I was curious as to how they would do it and what you thought about how they did it, because I thought it would be difficult to make. And while I don't think it was the greatest film ever, or even like, you know, one of my favourite films, they did it better than I expected. I liked it more than I thought I would, but I still didn't think it was amazing. I did watch it on a plane, by the way, on a little screen on a plane, which was interesting in itself. It also makes me wonder if there were any modifications to it as a result, but I don't think they were, because they still showed some pretty terrible things happening. So I can't imagine there were more terrible things that I was spared, because I was sitting on a plane. I mean, I'm going to agree with you. I wasn't quite sure how you could make a feature length film out of this. And as far as these things go, I think they did a pretty good job. There were parts in the beginning that I thought were boring, but it's actually didn't necessarily feel like the movie was really stretched out like they were struggling to make. No, that's what I thought. I thought it would feel like a stretch. I felt like the length was right. I was never particularly bored. I thought the pacing was well done, and the main, there are only a few main actors in it. There are only two main actors in it that were really countered, and they were both good. But the thing I didn't think was all that amazing, were like the crash sequences. Like, I thought they'd look more real. I thought it would look different to all the other stuff you see on TV shows, like Aircrash investigation and that. But they didn't seem that much better than what you see elsewhere. And I thought, you know, a big budget Hollywood film would do all that stuff better somehow. I don't know what. I have no suggestions to make it better. I thought I'd watch it and think, well, you know, that's what happens when you spend a lot of money on a special effects of a plane crash. That's way better. It just seemed like all the other ones to me. It seemed like a really good computer game. This is your problem, Brady. You are an Aircrash connoisseur. You're watching all of these things, and maybe it was also the watching it on a tiny little screen on the back of someone's seat on an airplane. But I was watching it. I thought it looked all too real, right? It's like, nope. Don't like this. Don't like this one tiny bit. But I'm not a man who has seen thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of Aircrashes on a monsoon screen. Right. Eating popcorn while you're doing it, you know, excitedly. This is not been my experience. It was much more novel for me. I could not pick up on all the subtle variations of what you're looking for. So it was too real as far as I was concerned. I was sold on it. But this might be the difference between watching it like on an iPad and watching it on an airplane seat. Could you have watched on a plane? No, I would never have watched it on a plane. Are you crazy? No. I went a little bit, you making me watch this movie Brady, right? Because this is like not a thing that I really want to think about. And anytime this stuff comes up, I feel like I learned a piece of information that I didn't really want to know. What you learned this time? The thing I learned this time is that water landings are way more dangerous than I ever considered them to be. I only vaguely knew the story of what happened with this plane in just the dimest way. Which is also one of my complaints about watching the movie. It really clearly expects that you're a regular person who actually knows something about this because in the first 30 minutes I'm like, I don't understand what's going on. Like the referencing stuff like I don't know what happened in this air crash. That you're expecting me to know movie, but I don't. I have no idea. But the thing that the movie eventually did explain a little bit more. And then fool that I am. I ended up looking up a bit on the internet as well. It's just I just didn't realize that water landings are really the last resort of what you want to do. Like saw videos of planes pinwheeling when they tried to land in the water. Oh yeah. Oh did you watch the one off the coast of Africa? Yeah, I saw some Ethiopian plane. Yeah, that's like that's like the famous one. Oh god. That's amazing. Yeah, so I guess I guess people who don't know that was a hijacked plane. There was Ethiopian airlines was it and basically the hijacker said fly me, you know, to the moon. And the pilots were like, we haven't got enough fuel. And he's like, oh I don't care. I keep flying the parts like no seriously like we haven't got fuel and he's like, yeah, you do keep going. So eventually it like just had to come down and land in the sea. But it landed really close to the coast where there were like swimmers that was filmed on a home video with all swimmers in the foreground. And they almost got it right. They almost got they're like it started to land on its belly nicely. But then just one of its wings tipped to the side and caught the water and then it cartwheeled the whole plane. But it's they make the thing about it is it's so well filmed. You sort of say the whole thing happened. Some people survived that. But swimmers went out and tried to save people. Yeah, a lot of people died too. Yeah, a lot of a lot of people died. So I guess in some irrational part of my brain that was trying to protect me from thinking about this too hard. I always vaguely assume that like, oh planes must be sort of designed to land on the water just in case. Yeah, like I think that's what was in the back of my mind is like, oh there must be those boat feet come out or it's like it's it's an endless thing. They should be able to land on water. They've got quite you know a flat underside. Yeah, they have a flat underside like a boat. Yeah, don't think too hard about how thin the walls and the airplane really are and like what the whole structure is. I don't think about that too much. So I guess I had always just assumed that this was a much safer activity than it actually was. Which led me to under appreciate how remarkable this incident is of landing in the Hudson as a man who spends the vast majority of his flying time above the abyss of the Atlantic Ocean. This is now a piece of information that I have that I didn't want but now is in my brain is that water landings are much harder than I thought they were. So thanks. Thanks for that, Brady. So let me ask you this is someone who has a degree of anxiety about the safety of air travel. What was it like having a mother who flew on planes all the time? Because your your mother was a cabin crew, wasn't she? Yeah, she was a flat attendant. Like were you worried about her like being in planes all the time or like is this a cause of anxiety for you and your family or was that not an issue? It's not an issue because I understand that it is safe to do this. And I especially understand that when I'm in America the drive to the airport is vastly more dangerous than the flight. That's what's going to happen. I know this intellectually there's just some part of my brain which occasionally like wanders over to just how far the black ocean is below you. Right when I'm on an airplane. I'm not saying that this is rational like I'm perfectly well aware that this is just about the safest thing that I could do is be flying on a plane. I just try not to let my brain wander sometimes on a flight. And sometimes it just kind of like I don't know the way to describe it but the best way I could say is a little bit like a vertigo feeling. Sometimes just happens in the middle of a flight of like you're in the air. And of course for turbulence I'm never a happy man when there's turbulence occurring. This is the difference between some part of your base brain that's worried about a thing. And then the actual like rational you who knows that this isn't a danger. And so that's why when my mom was flying I was never really concerned because it's like I know full well that like flying is an incredibly safe thing to do. And presumably she's not a nervous flyer as someone who flew professionally for so long. No no no no no she totally loved it. I did hear from a viewer just yesterday actually I think the email came in which I thought was interesting. This person called Mark said I feel I should offer some service to you. I've been listening since the beginning of Hello Internet and have always enjoyed playing Crash Corner. I work as a commercial pilot and fly the same aircraft type as Sully. If there's anything you want to know about operational considerations, how the aircraft works or changes that have been brought in since the event, e.g. checklist orders that were changed, let me know. I just replied with what did you think of the film? And this is what Mark who flies the same plane said. I enjoyed it and felt it very close to reality. We have to go and simulate as every six months to cover emergency procedures. And even in there when you know something is going to happen, there is the startle factor that can leave you like a rabbit in the headlights. For people who haven't seen the film, this is an important part of the film, that a reaction time, how long they took to decide what to do. So he talks a bit about that for a while. And then Mark says, in terms of the crash portrayal, that also felt very real with the division of duties. One person just running through checklist, trying to get an engine started while the other is flying and doing the radio communications. I said earlier about checklist changing. Airbus have a button you can press that seals any events below the water line so that it floats. That button was quite far down so it wasn't pressed before they hit the water and they started to sink quickly. That button is much closer to the top now. I assume he means the top of the checklist. So I thought that was interesting and thank you, Mark, for contributing. Yeah, that is interesting. I mean you must love a bit of checklist rearrangement. That must be a little bit sexy to you. They probably should have had a bit more of that in the video in the film for you. Oh yeah, no, that's very sexy. There could be the sequel, Sully too, the checklist revision. Checklists are how we embody our knowledge of what you're supposed to do. I always have to give the pilots and the co-pilot such credit because basically I listened to a bunch of the real audio after I watched the movie. I was curious to see a few things like how close does the movie matter what they were saying. You make me so proud. That's what I do. You went down the route. You went down the plane. Grush corner. Oh, yeah, I did. I did get sucked a little bit down the plane crash corner rabbit hole. I'm loading up 3D videos that are recreations of the event. And I'm getting annoyed at videos where they don't have all of the radio chatter. They only have part and like, oh, you're a YouTube channel is terrible at this recreation. So yeah, emotional, right? Yeah, I got a bit emotional too. Again, with like anxiety that I wish I could separate from this, but I couldn't. So thanks for that. I appreciate it. I was really impressed with and then I feel like I took away from this in a way that I hadn't before is I cannot believe how relatively calm everybody is on the radios. I can't believe how relatively calm the pilots are. I can't believe how calm the ground staff is. Like everybody is just so shockingly calm and professional in this process. It is just unbelievable to me that people can do that. It's almost a bit disappointing in a way because I totally agree with you like not just the sulliance and where he was a hero, but even the ones where the pilots are villains, you know, do something wrong. I notice it's all the time in plane crashes as well like other ones besides the sulley one. How much time they spend being methodical and going through checklists. Sometimes as they fall into the side of a mountain, but going through checklist number. It's almost disappointing like but also reassuring, but it's a bit sort of unromantic that it's also calm and methodical like did you see that Denzel Washington film flight where he loses control. There's something goes wrong with the plane and he ends up like using his like instinct and skills to do something that had never been done before and he flies the plane upside down. A passenger plane upside down to stop up from crashing and that's like the romantic notion you have that the pilot will just think of some trick or something that's never been done before to save the day when in fact they just get out a list and go one two three four five and like either that works or the plane crashes. I like to think this a bit of room for a bit of a maverick you know bit of skill and something that no one's ever seen before who would have ever thought to do that what genius but now they just get the little clipboard out and go through the items. Yeah, but there was a bit of romance here Brady because sulley jumped down a checklist item and turned on the auxiliary power like 10 steps before. Oh yeah, you're right. Yeah, he did something out of sequence. Yeah, that's like that's like that's like the that's like the gray version of a maverick someone who likes skips an item in the checklist. I'm bringing number seven up to three. What man. Yeah, I think it was that he just assumed that those engines were going to come back online and say he was jumping ahead in the checklist to do a thing that turned out to be true leader art. So yeah, that's maverick in action. So surely when it comes to like sexy checklist people being the hero of the day your favorite movie must be Apollo 13 when I got it. When they spend all that time changing the checklist order to make sure the electricity is below the below the voltage you know all this. Yeah, for us. We need is like a checklist montage. I know exactly what you're talking about great scene. There needs to be a video made like you know 10 great checklist moments in movies. Oh yeah, yeah. That would definitely be in it. I'd put the sulley one in there maybe. Yeah, but that could be at the end for like who here's a different one right because he jumps ahead. That's the way that would work out. Yeah, but Apollo 13's all about playing funny with the checklist too break in the rules. We need to come up with a new checklist. Yeah, but they're going through a process to create the new checklist. How are we going to save these people from being thrown into the oblivion of space? Well, we're just going to have to rearrange a checklist. It's ultimately what it's going to be. Yeah, the sequence of steps to do a thing. You have to do it in a different sequence of steps. Yeah. So I have a question for you Brady. Yeah, there's like this one main plot point of this movie. I feel like I didn't understand. Okay, which is also it's it's real life. Okay, so sulley saves everybody with his forest water landing. Yeah. In the movie, there's like a chairman of the NTSB council who are investigating what has occurred. Yeah. And in the movie, this guy is like the villain who seems out to blame everything on sulley. For what I can assess as essentially no reason other than maybe the movie needs some tension. But I didn't understand was this like a real thing? Is there some actual motivation? Is this just movie land like we need someone to be evil for no reason who's then just going to change his mind to be like Sully, you're a great American hero at the end of the movie. I mean, I don't know for sure, but certainly one of the main criticisms of the film that I've read about has been that they overegged the antagonism between the investigators and sulley. And it was all a lot more collegial than its portrayed and it wasn't quite the courtroom standoff drama type thing. So I have the impression that it wasn't quite like that. And as you have suggested, they're just creating a little bit of tension, little bit of argy bargy. So I don't know what argy bargy is, but I take your meaning. I can forgive them that. I mean, they needed something. What else do you throw into movies to fix that? Usually you use a bit of sexiness and a bit of romance, but like sulley's just an old boring married guy who's what I wasn't in town. So like you can't have like, you know, sexy sexiness. I thought they might be up like his history and his past, but they're only just a few little flashbacks. I think the problem they have is I don't know this for sure, but I think maybe he's just an incredibly boring man that had had something interesting happen to him for two minutes that he handled well. And then they're like, how are we going to make like a two hour film or something about a guy who's really boring that did something good once for a minute? He's not tragically flawed like Denzel Washington snored in cocaine before flying the plane upside down. Yeah, exactly. And like, you know, he was he was a bit old and had had a reasonably calm boring life. He did a good thing. And then he just got on with his calm boring life. Like, you know, one of the real plot points in the film was what's happening with you? Like your consultancy business that you're trying to start and yeah, and also concerns about his pension. Yeah, it was like it was like, yeah, old people's troubles. So it's suffered a bit from that. But don't get me wrong. Like, I'll poke fun at it. And it's not like it wasn't like a grouping film that I'm telling everyone they should watch. But I thought it was a good solid well made film nicely paced about something I personally have happened to find very interesting, of course. But I liked it. What I would be interested to hear what you thought about was the end of the film. How they ended it. They just ended it in the in the courtroom, right? Yeah. Yeah, they ended it like on a corny joke. Oh, yeah, that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, like they said to the co-pilot, oh, if you could do anything, what would you do differently? And he said, I would have done it in July or whatever when the weather was better. And then the film just like hard cuts like on this like, oh, like Sully does like, but if an old man chuckle. And then they like cut. And it's like, it was like a really odd ending. I didn't mind it. I didn't love either. And then they had like a second ending where they did the cliche thing you see in a lot of films where the real person appears with all the real survivors and they're all having a cuddle and a talk. And that was that was OK with real life films. I quite like seeing a bit of real life stuff at the end. Oh, see, I am an instant credits parser. Right. So as soon as the movie was over, the instant those credits come up, like, great done. I'm not waiting around for your second thing. I showed the real Sully around the wreckage of the plane in some hang us somewhere with the survivors and they're all having a bit of a nice time together and I make a few speeches and it was OK. It was nice. Look, I'm OK with that ending because I feel with movies like the same way I feel with guests that leaving too soon is far better than lingering around. And too many movies, I feel like they don't know they don't know how to get out of here. It's like you've had your day new month like it's over. The main conflict is resolved. I'm giving you two minutes to wrap some stuff up and you got it like it was glad to hear movie. I feel like too many too many movies like to linger around. Don't you motion this don't you motion it. I was actually going to go to Lord of the Rings of like and then what does billboat. He's like, Lord of the Rings is the worst ever about that. The books too. There's like a hundred pages after the story is over. A billbo wandering around and like saying goodbye to every buddy and retracing all their steps. On occasion when I reread Lord of the Rings is like I always skip the last third of the final books. It's like I don't have time for this. It's like it's like a sightseeing but the movie does the same thing. The Martian did it when my movies when their main conflict is resolved. I want them over done like let's get on with this. So I'm totally fine with it. I'd much rather have a movie and abruptly than feel like it needs to wrap up everything with a nice little bow. Yeah. Fair enough. Part of this movie felt a bit like you are say a big civil war fan and you have me watch a civil war movie. I feel like okay I'm watching this for a friend like it's not a thing I would ever be super interested in but it's well done. And it's this narrow field of interest. Okay that's fine we're buddies I'm happy to do this but I do have to say like Wallace is not a thing I would ever watch normally on my own. I did feel like maybe I enjoyed the movie much more than I otherwise would have because I knew so little about this event. And Sully has a bit of a corny speech about it at the end but I kept thinking through the movie like thank God for all of the peripheral people around the pilot and the co-pilot. Like the the port authority guys the NYPD the fire department the Red Cross like the flight attendants in the cabin like everybody I was just so aware of this thing that I wasn't really aware of from just dimly hearing about this story. Like this pilot landed a plane in the Hudson and everybody lived and it's like this was a no joke team effort. Yeah everything had to go right for this to work because I was I was unaware of I mean the thing that the movie ends on is that joke about doing it in July. You land in two degrees above freezing water. This is a dangerous situation like the plane is going down as well. I found all of that interesting yeah and also I felt like my sort of New York state pride coming out all these guys like going out there to rescue the crew. I just I found that part really interesting and I was totally unaware of it. I feel appreciative for knowing more of the whole story about this incident and it seems like much more of a thing than I had originally realized. I think if there was any part of the film that did sort of flicker my emotional needle in any way it was that kind of all hands to the pump when all the the ferry drivers and the boat people are just like let's get out there. Let's do it. Let's save these people like you know most of the parts of the film I found quite you know straight down the line and the parts that were supposed to move me didn't massively move me. But that did affect me was like yeah good on I'm like so I agree with you that was a that was a bit a nice part of the film for me too. So great this talk about endings of films and credits and real life stuff makes me think we should move on and end with a Brady's paper cut because I've had a paper cut that's been brewing for my last three or four visits to the United States and it came to a head on my last visit and it is very much on this topic. I know you don't watch a lot of normal television and neither do I and I certainly don't watch a lot of normal television in America but I have been lately and I watch a few channels. I don't even know what the channels are called just TV channels that have just a number of these because there's so many channels in America and I've got the place I stay has got this direct TV with a hundred thousand channels. This is when you're out at the spiritual home of number of others that we're talking about. I was I was this is an in Berkeley so I was flicking through the channels and I always I find and one or two channels I always end up on that showing movies that I like. I could talk about how many ads they put in the film but I won't I mean that's that's too cliched so let's just forget the ridiculous number of advertisements at inappropriate times I watched a few good men while I was there and you know that stirring final cross examination by Tom Cruise of Jack Nicholson yeah it's the moment you wait for and watch. It's so well done they managed to fit three commercial breaks into that speech. I couldn't believe it. I don't know if you've ever tuned into it but if you're watching a particularly bad channel that shows movies in America they sometimes speed up the movie by just 5% like or 10% and if you if you are a person who is sensitive to that is like everything is just slightly higher pitched than you would normally expect and is like you can't end up a tree yeah exactly why do they do that because they're trying to fit just one more ad break in over a two hour block and they need to speed it up I did notice because I know a few good men quite well I did notice them just chopping parts of the film out but they do cut bits of the film all together. I don't even know why you're watching movies on TV like what is this 1985 like what are you doing I know it's weird you know and I know I could just like pick up my iPad and watch straight away with no ads but there's just something about when it's on TV you I don't know I can't explain it and it's sort of background because I'm usually doing other stuff and the thing that really like does my head in is the way these channels treat the end credits of movies because obviously this is a dangerous time for them because they're worried people people are going to change channel. This is where they're losing their watch time very fast right on those audience retention graphs is like right down to the bottom. There's a few things they've done that have driven me crazy the first is cutting things out of the credits they usually will speed the credits up to such a speed that I can't believe they even bother leaving them they'll go at like you know a thousand percent speed blur past you in like five seconds. I'm pretty sure you'll require me that's my guess right like you have to show these credits yeah and then they go straight to the next film or the other thing that they do which I hate even more is they run the credits but they drop the credits down to the bottom third of the screen and in the top two thirds of the screen they start playing the next movie. So you're watching the star of the next movie while the credits for the previous movie are running like on the bottom of the screen. It gets even more ridiculous though because what a lot of these channels do is they show the same film three or four times in a row. So if you say oh the film I want to watch is starting at three o'clock I must make sure I switch on you'll switch on at like two minutes to three and you'll see the last two minutes of the film you're just about to watch. Like you catch the finale of the film you're about to watch and then they'll shrink the credits down and start playing the film again. So the credits for the film you're watching you're watching the end credits for at the bottom of the screen and you've just seen the end of it. I don't understand why you're even watching TV like this is let it go great. This is what you do when I can't get over this. Like I would never sit in bed and think what am I going to watch tonight. Oh I'll watch a few good men I would never do that because I've seen that film 15 times and it's never in my head but I like it. But if I'm cruising through the channels and it's like halfway through on channel 407 and it's the last 20 minutes I'll say a few good men. I love the last 20 minutes of that film think I'll watch it. This is an activity that you do you just flip on the TV to just randomly find what's on. Yeah I'll usually be doing something else you know, twittering or editing something or working on something else and then I'll look up and go yeah I like this film so that is such a crazy behaviour to me. Okay well it's I must have watched Frozen 3 times in one day while I was there. I love that film. As long as you're happy with the experience I guess it's great. I'm alright with it. But the other thing that drove me crazy and the whole reason you reminded me of it is because of this real life ending they have in Sully. It's another film I really really like. The film called The Blindside which is a film about an NFL footballer who had like a really difficult childhood and like was orphaned or something given up by his mum. After a tough life he got adopted by this rich family and they brought him up and he became this footballer. And it's a really lovely film. It's a really good story. It's a really well executed film. It always gets me emotional. The final scene of the film is they cut to real life and show him being drafted to the NFL which is like a big moment he's made it he's made it to the pinnacle. And then during the credits and it's the best thing in the film during the credits they just run 30 or 40 family photos through the credits where you see all the characters you've just seen portrayed in the film in real life. So you see what they all really look like. But not only that it's family photos of lots of the incidents and occasions and things that were portrayed in the film. It's one of the best uses of like real life photos at the end of a film. You could have in a film. So I was watching The Blindside and really looking forward to that moment at the end and sure enough the end of the film comes in real life. And they just locked the credits off. They just locked it off and started showing the blindside again from the start and left that out altogether. And it was the best part of the film. But they were like, oh it's the credits. People won't watch that. And I'd been waiting like half an hour for it. I just let go of the fact that I watch television. People do it. People do it. Really do it. I don't understand. People do that. It is a thing. It is a proper thing. I feel like you're sitting in a movie theater and you want to complain to me about, oh the crying babies and the children running around and all the whorliness in a movie theater. And I'm just like, why are you in a movie theater? This is fundamental to the medium here. That's what this is. It's like, oh, TV. TV ruins a coherent experience. It's like, yeah, of course that's what they do. That's their job. Sometimes you want to be a bit brainless and have someone else curate. I mean, the number of times I sit and bend and think, oh, I really want to watch something on Netflix. And I spend the next 45 minutes paralyzed by choice and unable to decide what to watch. Sometimes it's good to have that decision taken away from you a bit. I'll give you that. That is fair. Like Netflix analysis paralysis is definitely a thing. And can sometimes be like, oh, all of this material is too high quality. Like I do just want to watch some crap. That is a thing. No, not another Netflix original. I can't be emotionally invested right now. I just need to be watching just some reality show. Anyway, I guess I'm sorry that TV stations ruin the credits for you, Brady. Sorry, you don't have to apologize. It's not your fault. It's not a real apology. There's nothing genuine in my voice about that. It's just trying to malify you.