H.I. No. 8: First World YouTuber Problems

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"First World YouTuber Problems"
Hello Internet episode
Episode 8 on the podcast YouTube channel
Episode no.8
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Original release dateMarch 31, 2014 (2014-03-31)
Running time1:28:43
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"H.I. #8: First World YouTuber Problems" is the eighth episode of Hello Internet, released on March 31, 2014.[1]

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Grey & Brady revisit mandatory language lessons, discuss machine-mind transfers, who is 'we', and working fast and slow.

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Grey: I discovered that at this time of night my office turns into a yoga studio.

[HI theme plays]

Brady: Before we start follow-up,-

Grey: Yeah.

Brady: -can I ask you a question about follow-up?

Grey: [chuckles] Yeah.

Brady: There's been some, you know, feedback and comments going around that, you know, we always start the podcast with this sort of follow-up and correcting mistakes and re-discussing things from the episode before,-

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: -and some people like that, but other people have suggested that it's not the way to start the podcast.

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: You do believe it is, you know, and you're kind of the boss in a lot of ways. Why do you think this is-

Grey: Am I the boss?

Brady: Well, I don't know...

Grey: [chuckles]

Brady: I like- I like you to think- I don't want you to think you're the boss.

Grey: Okay. [chuckles]

Brady: Why is this the best way to start the podcasts? Do- you know- do you feel strongly about this?

Grey: I do, I do- I do feel strongly about follow-up first, because if someone is listening to the podcasts in chronological order, it makes sense to do follow-up as the first section, because if they're listening to a bunch of episodes in a row, when they finish episode three, the start of episode four follows very naturally from what we were talking about in the previous one.

Brady: Hmm.

Grey: So follow-up is- is obviously the next section and, uh, when we- when we started when I was thinking about doing a podcast, I did think, "ooh, maybe,- maybe we'll- we'll record the follow-up first, because that's the thing that makes most sense to talk about kind of chronologically,-"

Brady: Yeah.

Grey: "-and then just edit it so it's at the end, and then the main topic is in the beginning", but I don't- I don't think that works, because in all of our podcasts, when we do the main topic we almost always reference something that was in the follow-up in the beginning, so I don't think you can say, rearrange the conversation in post.

Brady: Yeah.

Grey: I think follow-up has to be first because like any conversation you're going to refer back to it later on, which is exactly what we do.

Brady: I agree, I- I wasn't sure at the start, but I've been- I've become a real convert to it. I think- I think there's a real culture in sort of media and broadcasting and anything to sort of, you know, put your- put your strong stuff at the start and, you know, don't bury the lead and, pull people in from the start and have a hook,-

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: I think pod- podcasts are a different creature in that way, they are just like a- like a chat, and I think it's okay, like most chats just start off meandering before they settle on a focus and...

Grey: Yeah. And I- I- I- you know- if people enjoy the podcast, which I- which I hope they do, if they're still listening at this point, what are we, eight episodes in? I think this is number eight.

Brady: It is, it is.

Grey: Uh, presumably they're listening because they still like it, and, I know at least for the podcasts that I listen to, it- it's very much- to me it feels like I get to sit in on a conversation, uh, with people who I would not normally get to sit in on a conversation with. I- I like that feeling, and conversations- they have a particular flow, right? When you- when you sit down with your friends, you catch up on- on what's happened since the last time you sat down together, you don't sit down at a table and think "Right, what's my strongest opening story to tell my friends when I sit down. We're gonna lead with a bang, and then later on we'll wrap up with the weather, but right now we gotta lead with the main story." So that's just-

Brady: Yeah,

Grey: -that's not how friends talk to each other, and you and I are friends and we're- we're sitting down, so I think it's very natural for follow-up to come first.

Brady: All right. Let's do follow-up!

Grey: [chuckling] Okay.

Brady: What do you got from last time?

Grey: Ah, so I just had to, uh, make a- make a- a reference, for people who have not been on the Reddit, you really should go, it's great there's a lot of very good conversation on the Reddit, but unbelievably, last time when we put our podcast up, we made reference in the middle of that podcast to possibly somebody about to get on an airplane, you know, who may have just downloaded that and you were talking about plane crashes, and-

Brady: Yes, my- my obsession with them.

Grey: Yes, and I could not believe it, but when I put it up, the very first comment on the Reddit mere minutes after uploading, someone said, and I- I took a little screenshot here, this guy Thomas said "Yay, excellent timing I'm just about to board a plane, and was regretting that the book-" uh, "was regretting the book I brought with me. Now I have two hours of the podcast to listen to." And then it finished with "You guys are too good to me.", right? Which-

Brady: [chuckles]

Grey: -which was just like the- like a very, very nice comment, but knowing that he was about to go into an episode where we discussed plane crashes for a not trivial amount of time, I just couldn't believe the coincidence that happened there, that the very first comment was exactly the thing that we were- we were suggesting might occur. So anyway,-

Brady: The best thing about that was, like, in the podcast you made that joke, too, about someone on a plane listening to it, and then you like spoke directly to them for a joke and you said "I hope you're enjoying this, Tim",-

Grey: Right.

Brady: -and that guy's name was Tom.

Grey: Right, so close!

Brady: It was so close to being- Wow.

Grey: Yeah it would- it would have been, uh, it would have been just perfect. Um, but anyway, so, there's fun- fun things that happen on- on the Reddit, and again I just want to say, I think it's- it's a- it's a really great community and- and we were discussing before recording now that there's a lot of activity there and- and it's great and I really do look over the discussion, so uh, anytime you want to talk about whatever we discuss on the podcast, uh, the Reddit is a great place to go and there will be a link in the shownotes to whatever- whatever the link is for this episode, so I'll put that there.

Brady: did we hear back from Tom after his flood

Grey: yeah he was he was actually okay we did not cause him a lot of anxiety but when he landed on the other end he said that he enjoyed it and so I'm glad that we did not give him a panic attack on the fly or you did not give him a panic attack on the flight really I would say that's mostly your fault

Brady: do you know what's amazing gray what like we're talking about we're talking like you know a week later however long it's been and we're not really much closer to knowing what happened to that Malaysia Airlines plane

Grey: oh yeah so you have to you have to follow these things for me so

Brady: you must know what's going on though you do you're not that you're not that oblivious to the news eh uh

Grey: well this might actually reasonably we talk about later but no last last headline I saw was something about a presumably a hijacking is that the current state of

Brady: no we know we're nowhere near that I don't see I don't I don't I didn't think it was a hijacking that the latest is they they seem to be having all this satellite imagery of possible debris you know thousands of kilometers off the coast of Perth in Australia quite quite some distance from where that plane was supposed to be going and so basically it's done a hard left and then just if this is if it's there it's done a hard left and just flown and flown and flown and then maybe ran out of fuel maybe being crashed into the ocean like in like the most remote pretty much the most remote place this could happen huh so something's going on man well it's crazy well maybe next maybe next week we'll know more but this is going to be a this is I keep thinking it's going to be something simple and maybe it's still will but this is looking stranger and stranger

hmm hmm 

stay tuned stay tuned to Brady's plane crash corner here at hello Internet

Grey: yeah I have a feeling like I would I would not want it to be but I feel like you could make this a regular segment every week talk about some plane crash with some interesting story from a plane crash I feel that the the depth of your love for this topic is quite deep

Brady: at least we're not talking about freebooting anywhere

Grey: yes that's true we're not talking about freebooting anymore although I do have a follow-up item about it but probably not today I'll say before another time

Brady: okay I tell you what what you stood up a right hornet's nest in the last episode with this language education

Grey: yes yes I do know

Brady: we knew it you knew it was going to happen too didn't you

Grey: I did know that it was going to happen I did know it was going to happen and in in addition to reading all of the reddit comments Derek a veritasium is here in London and he has taken some time out to see me, and I saw Derek earlier today and the day before and I can say that he probably spent at least eight hours of human efforts one-on-one trying to convince me otherwise from my opinions about dropping language classes from the curriculum and

Brady: you got off lightly you got off lightly right where Derek decides he's right about something a oh is this nothing

Grey: well I think it's only because he had to fit me in between other appointments of things that he's doing while he's over here otherwise you know I left I left - Derek just just a couple hours ago at the pub I think he would still be sitting there now with me trying to convince Mia if if he hadn't had to go somewhere and we had to record this podcast so he's he was very intense about it and

Brady: he's and he's and obviously if his opinion is different to yours he's a big advocate of extensive language teaching in schools can you sort of summarize his position for us

Grey: right the answer is I cannot summarize his position for us uh and I kept I kept mentioning this to him in the bar because he had he had actually a letter to me he had written this whole thing on his iPhone that there was like this is like bullet pointed argument about all the ways in which I was wrong and and all the ways in which I should I should reconsider my positions and to to be fair to Derek I I cannot I think possibly try to summarize his arguments without getting it just just wrong or making him more infuriated because with eight hours there's a lot of nuance that you can go into we can suffice it to say that I was not I was not moved by Derek I have not changed my opinion

Brady: in any way there was nothing he said that made a dent anywhere no chink in your armor

Grey: well is that it's not it's not shrinking my armor but there are a few there are a few interesting interesting kind of things to bring up about that I'm not summarizing Derek's argument what I'm about to say but I'm going to say a similar thing that came up on the reddit and in some of the feedback that I got was comments about the benefits of learning languages cognitive benefits that are not necessarily the language themself but things that you get from learning a second language. And I always want to be clear I don't doubt that there are benefits to learning another language

Brady: yeah

Grey: but my my point was that I don't think the school system as it currently exists actually produces people who are able to speak another language so you can talk to me as much as you want about the benefits of learning other languages and I am all on board with that but the the current school system just it doesn't do that so it's sort of it's sort of irrelevant how awesome it is to speak a second language when we're not coming out with kids who actually do speak other languages so I would say that that was part of the part of the feedback that I got.

Brady: yeah but but like you teach people sport and physical education and they don't come out as athletes at the end but the process of playing the game taught them thick not only to have a health benefit a taught them about teamwork at taught them things it improved their coordination it did lots of other things even though they come out as a major league baseball or at the end

Grey: yes

Brady: I know you realize this but you seem to say I realize this and then completely ignore it I guess I guess I just my my thought on this is that the the things that I have seen about the benefits of learning of the language are presupposing basic competence in that language, right? when a person has basic competence in the language here are the benefits that they also have and so my my position is just that I don't think most language courses have their students reach basic conversational competence to- to get those benefits it's like- it's like a threshold effect anyway I just I did want to mention that but I also just again want to be clear because Derrick will be really angry otherwise and that was that was not the sole of his arguments and he also had a very different language experience than I did it sounded like he actually had quite a successful schooling experience in general which included which by the way language teachers I think is a good idea starting teaching French I forget when he said but in in primary school he was very young when they started doing French which I think if you're going if you're going to teach language you might as well start when kids are very young right if we're going to do this let's do it right and and start from the very beginning but yeah so he had he had a very different experience with me and I am slightly exhausted but unmov'd from

Brady: you realize like you realize I've got Derrick Nick's he's coming to me for three days now we're like hanging out for ages am I am I just gonna be bombarded with language stuff or

Grey: you may be you may be I do have I do have a personal a piece of advice for you and anyone else who sees Derrick in the next couple of days I have a major regret which is that when I met Derrick we met in the Natural History Museum here in London I I gave Derrick a hug to say hello right like

Brady: yeah

Grey: you know haven't seen you in a while hug and I really shouldn't have because Derrick was was sick but I thought let me let me express my great friendship to Derrick nice big hello hug and now I'm feeling terrible I am feeling very sick Derrick gave me a disease from physical proximity I'm absolutely sure

Brady: oh no

Grey: he is now on his way to you acting as a typhoid mary of sorts I assume so you and the missus may be shortly experiencing symptoms of not feeling very well so I do also apologize to listeners that my voice doesn't sound absolutely perfect or if you hear me if you hear the sound of like crinkly unwrapping like I'm doing now I have halls and a whole bunch of other medicines that I'm shoving in to my face right now to try to sound a bit more normal so I'm sorry these sounds are terrible but you're gonna have to listen to them for the moment

Brady: we're going we're sharing a hot tub with Derek so worried for a world we're going to let the like force pie the hot sparrin in Bath

Grey: that's no good you are definitely disease vector Derek that's what's gonna happen to you sorry

Brady: can I share an email with you I got

Grey: oh yeah

Brady: this is about language it's actually funny there's a bit of a trend I've noticed since we've started the podcast particularly the one we did about email

aha are you

I'm worried Mel's

Brady: yes but it's really funny because I'm getting like short emails like you recommended but because because I think we've made our positions clear that you are pretty ruthless with email in terms of not reading it and deleting it and I was a bit more of a softy and I say that I sometimes read emails in case there's and gem in there I'm getting all these emails that are kind of almost directed at you


or they're directed at both of us in there saying I know grey won't read my emails but I know there's a chance you will Brady say can you tell grey this or no can you make my argument for me so so anyway
this is perfect I like I like this system quite a lot this way you can filter out the interesting things so in I think this should be a policy right for for any and all feedback in email form email brady he will read your message i think this is great I really like this you are basically now a human Bayesian email filter for me for the feedback so go ahead tell me what is the interesting thing that made it through

Brady: I I haven't thought this story yeah if anyone decides that they're going to do that I don't know I mean maybe of no don't email me

you know you're still gonna read them
anyway I did get this email from a chap named Sean I don't know if I should say his surname because he might like it being read out but I'm always really reluctant to use people's surnames so
yes I'd say the dural policy let's stick with first names
Sean you know who you are you wrote a long email it was very good you made a lot of good points some I agree with some I have no opinion on but some I didn't make in our discussion
I mean I- like most things in life, I have no really firm position on this whole language in school debate but I try to put the other side because you put he put your side so strongly and he made some really good points I'd like to share a couple of them with you one of the points he made you talked about in the last podcast how you think sort of machine translation is moving along so quickly


that that's one of the reasons speaking other languages will become sort of you know a less important skill as time goes by he's he politely but strongly disagreed with that and he seemed it seems to be an area he knows quite a lot about and he he thinks we're 50 if not a hundred years away from computerised language translation being really top-notch like reaching a level that is acceptable for you know strong purposes I'll say I'll send you the email and you can decide if you want to read it he made a strong case for it
so I just want to throw that in the mix I don't I don't know if he's right or not
yeah my my my thought on that just just very briefly is when I talk about the language translation we discuss it a little bit last time but my main thought about that is the scenario of of utility right is it good enough for most people traveling in a foreign country to communicate with the people around them I think that that is the language scenario for most people I imagine especially especially if you are ever having to translate a work that has any kind of nuance to it like if you're translating a novel between languages I don't I don't think machine translation is going to be able to do that kind of work for a very long time because I think that's a that that is not a question of communication translating something that has style to it mm-hmm excuse me I think
I'm Jarek for that cuff
yeah I will blame Derek for that cough what I was just gonna say is is I was reading a document a while ago talking about the beginning points of machine language translation like what how do you begin to train these algorithms and I think to give you a sense of how of how dry and utilitarian the translations may be is that the the starting point for this one algorithm that I was reading about was the European Union corpus of laws because for those of you who are aware in the European Union god I should know this off the top of my head but I think it's there something like 22 or 24 different official languages


and what that means is that any document that is issued in the European Union has to have legal copies in all of the other languages
which is you can find these these statistics for how many human hours is employed in in this endeavor which is which is quite a lot for the record I just want to say I'm totally okay with that right if you're going to designate something as an official language you need to produce documents in that language otherwise what's the point
but basically the result is that you end up having just this enormous treasure trove for computer linguistics of data of thousands of documents that have been translated into this twenty something different languages and so it's a great training ground and I by training algorithms a little weird you can actually sort of have them learn on their own it's but the result means that like your translation style is going to sound probably as dry as a European Union legal memo is going to sound so I don't I don't think that we're going to have translations of poetry that are anything but laughable for quite a long time
well if that's your if that's your brief response to that first good points out oh I'll limit the number of Sean's points I share with us and I will point out I'm only briefly summarizing I'm not I'm not pointing out his whole argument another point he made that was very good though you were saying you're an advocate of coding computer programming as something that would be more valuable to teach in schools he rightly points out computer languages are change very quickly become outdated very quickly you know what what languages are we gonna what computer languages are we going to teach in school are people going to come out fluent in some code that is redundant before they even reach the job market
yeah so I think it's interesting point actually discussed this with Derek a little bit tonight in any future video or any any future podcast that we talked about I mean computer programming languages in a very very broad way I think there are there are lots of things about if I was having a computer language course that I would teach that would not be straight up computer languages so for example when I when I worked as a teacher I taught a course in electronics and that was a 100 percent hands-on practical course no code at all but what it was was the was kids had to connect a bunch of sensors and buttons and switches to each other and they had to make those connections using logic gates so those are things like if the heat sensor is active and the light sensor is active then make the buzzer sound so so I think any kind of teaching of logic to me falls under this category of what a computer programming language is just the very idea of how do you talk to computers and so even though computer programmers in the audience right their head will explode when I put this in the same category but I would be totally happy to have a lot done in say spreadsheets there's an enormous amount of stuff you can do with a spreadsheet that is if-then-else right if this number is this then do that thing that's what I mean by computer programming just the idea of teaching how to communicate with computers in a logical way I just want to say that that's it's a very very broad a very broad definition but to specifically answer his question about the the language I would just said that the language is in the field seem to turn over very slowly there are languages that don't move very much and
for example if you're using and it's it's 2014 and if you're using an iPhone those iPhones are still programmed in basically in a variant of the language of C which God I mean off the top of my head I'm gonna say C is at least 1970s kind of old so that's not it I mean C is not a pretty language I've programmed a little bit in C sorry C programmers it is just kind of ugly Lisp is beautiful for those in the audience who are listening and I do like Python but anyway um you can pick languages that don't change very much but much more with computer languages than with say human languages the the internal concepts the the logical gates of if-then-else and NAND those things are universal and languages and the the syntactic differences between programming languages are not as large as you might think they are so
let me read you something shown right which I quite liked
and this sort of touches nicely on something you covered a few seconds ago and maybe this also is where we come to the interesting point where sort of the robot gray versus the human me but this really appealed to me maybe it won't appeal to you this is what genre yeah the selling point for teaching language for me is as you alluded to in the podcast the access point to culture but I would include all human culture and that more than anything else in our makeup we are built to understand language it is literally in our DNA more than physics math almost anything else language is what distinguishes us evolutionarily from the rest of the animals and is deeply linked to our cognitive ability
the second part of that is undeniably true that humans are I mean especially little humans are just language absorbing machines that's clearly built straight into our DNA that that's that's something that kids do but I I feel like I'd have to hear that first bit of it again but I just just be that's a thing that humans intrinsically are good at when they're young I don't I don't see that as an art as a convincing argument for why we should teach it in this very formulaic way when they're older
well let me say that he Owen also made the point that Derek made which is that he thinks it's really important to start young
mmm yeah I've totally agree
yeah and maybe if we started young we'd be less inclined to give it the flick later on
but something else he said just because something may be poorly taught is not an excuse for it to not be taught I mean I think he's saying there that you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater
and it's being taught poorly at school don't ditch it just teach it better
yeah hey thank you Betty this conversation with Derek because it did go on for forever wondering if this is it
I wonder if s-sean is actually lucky like Derek trying to sneakily Kate
get to me
get more face points yeah yeah I would just say that that this cannot be the topic for stakes it'll be it'll go on forever but the language thing is very much connected with my with my opinions of how school in general works in a modern world which having seen it as a professional in that environment is generally very poor I don't think I think the whole education system has it has a whole lot of problems and so I would leave it at that that's like that there are very many things that I would change about the education system and I just think languages particularly ill suited for the sit at a desk kind of learning method but there are many things that are just done terribly as well in that system but obviously we still we still sent kids to school so
all right that's let it go let's let your language go
I would yeah I have two final points though okay
go on
not arguing point just just a couple quick thing yeah first if I mentioned it last time I didn't mention it if if you are a person who does want to learn languages there's a great little app that I played around with on the iPhone on the iPad called duolingo or do duo lingo yeah and I think that that duolingo is a good example of how a well done program can really accelerate learning in an area so I just played around that for a little while with my very rusty Spanish and it's done really well and I think if you had a dedicated student and you just gave them this this one little app they could make a lot of progress you know way faster than they could just in the classroom on their own so again I'm not against language learning and if you are trying to learn a language I would recommend this app just just for my little experience playing around with it and the second thing is that just think going back to the emails I have a little note here


which this again might make me sound like a total monster but I did get one email about language feedback from someone
and all I'm gonna say about that email is it came on my screen and I was shocked by how long it was you know you see little scroll bar on the side
and it was this like tiny little dot of a scroll bar and I and annas you know it started right off like you know dear cgp grey I have some points to make about language you know whatever um and a scroll scroll Scroll scroll and it's so long and normally you know I delete emails that are very long but this was solong it caught my attention
well we found a new way through the CTP grey shield it was so long it caught my attention just long enough to be able to do the keyboard command to pull up a word count which was sixteen hundred words before I hit the delete button
anything you've been up to lately
I've been pretty busy I was thinking about this actually like today a couple of hours ago I was doing a few chores around the house I'm just dropping that into you know make me sound like I don't just sit here and read Wikipedia and I got a paper cut that happens doesn't it you know
it's a real tragedy
yeah this is and I was thinking ah and then something else happened and two or three things happened in a short space of time that were frustrating me and I was because I knew we were doing the podcast I was thinking and I could talk about this or that and then it made me realize do people want to hear negative stuff in like podcasts and videos like if I'm if I'm unhappy or there's something that's annoying me or I don't think people want to hear that I think you know I think they want to hear stuff that's like constructive or interesting or like relevant or things that are quite funny and positive but I don't think they just want to hear moaning is there a market for moaning


I don't know I do you hear podcasts that are just people being miserable
um I think people being miserable in interesting ways can be very interesting uh 


it all it all depends on it all depends on how a story is told a story about the tragedy of your papercut could be really great


it would be really enthralling I would say this particular version of it was not it was not soon our thrala ng
I didn't I didn't I didn't I didn't turn it into a ripping yarn did I
he didn't really sell it it was just it was just a random event I put there there isn't just value in positive stuff there is there is definitely value in negative stuff and I think particularly in as I did in many of the early episodes in self criticism


I think there is there is there is value to be had there because sometimes the person who is complaining or self-critical is aware of genuine flaws in the way that people who are endlessly optimistic maybe are not
I think eternal optimism of the spotless mind is sort of by definition slightly deluded or unaware of lots of things so I don't have that exactly ties in with what you're talking about but you do you want to have like a spin-off show that is Brady moans and we go
no not no not at all I just I was just thinking like you know not in like a new-age happy-clappy type way because I'm not really like that but I was thinking like you know you can you can start getting too negative sometimes like you can start seeing the negative and everything and


I think I don't know I think it can be a problem and for people like like us who sort of work alone and you know get lost in their own minds quite a lot you know like you say I think like self self-criticism and an awareness of problems is important but you can you can get a bit negative sometimes and I think it's important to her to realize that we've got a pretty good life things are pretty good
yeah again this is this is the podcast of first world YouTuber problems
yeah exactly which I've seen a few people on the Reddit also pick up on and
it's but that kind of kind of feedback is is also I've seen that go both ways where some people are interested in first world YouTuber problems
um yeah
but you know uh it again it depends on how things how things are told I thought
I went to Sheffield this week yeah and did some sort of public speaking of couple of talks about I bet YouTube and about my work and things like that I made sure I mentioned mentioned your videos as well Grey I I don't just sit there and tell people how great my videos are I always make sure I give a mention to two other good videos but uh I quite enjoy it I quite enjoy going and giving talks it's I don't know it's something I like is it something you have much experience with giving talks do giving talks can be really good I think I've sort of obliquely mentioned before that I used to have a sort of time management business before I got into the YouTube world


and I gave talks with that on occasion and yeah I think I really liked it
I mentioned you'd be a really good public speaker you know you got such a syrupy voice that everybody loves
for public speaking it was something I put a lot of practice into and I can say that I definitely enjoyed it and having been a teacher it's something that I think you just get very used to talking in front of groups of people it's obviously something that I haven't done in quite a while but no I- I- I could I could see doing something like that possibly in the future so
maybe if this podcast thing doesn't work out we could do some kind of you know some sort of
roadshow yeah
that'll be cool I think that'd be good fun
yeah we get a little Caravan tour up and down this island
can I ask you a question yeah this is something this is like completely unrelated to what we're talking about is completely out of left field yeah but I get it what we were saying digits remind me of it and since we did this podcast it's become a question I want to ask you a little if it became feasible in this kind of you know future technology world that people sometimes talk about to have your kind of consciousness taken out of your body and put into a computer or into the Internet and you could just be completely remote from your body and live virtually does that appeal to you?
there are a lot of philosophical questions with that there are most of them there are a lot of philosophical problems with that question
yeah I don't want to turn it into a big discussion about it and I know there's as well we're coming about its own and

is there

yeah there's some I think I saw a preview for some Johnny Depp film that's going to do with that and there's we could do a whole and not hopefully we will talk about it more but just like on a gut level inside a
well well can I just mention that one of the philosophical issues with this cuz


I I try to be very consistent and very evidence-based in my thinking in my life I don't know if listeners are aware of this but that's a general philosophy but I have
but there is there is one one area of a kind of unknowable question that I'm very aware of and it is the transporter on Star Trek so my wife she would not describe herself as a big Trekkie; I would say that she is a big Trekkie. and we watch Star Trek together sometimes and whenever they go in that in the transporter you know they beam down to the surface of the I kind of assumed that the crew members are dead every time that happens


and the creature that has appeared on the surface of the planet is an exact recreation of them as they were when they stepped in the transporter, but it's not the same person. Kirk gets into the transporter and he's thinking about whatever, green aliens probably and then when the transporter goes that is the end of his existence
and on the planet there is a different living thing that finishes that thought about green aliens
okay right
but how would you ever prove that it's a different Kirk I don't think there is any way to ever prove that because you know if you if you interrogated him if you had all these questions you did it's the same person from all external measures but my guess would be that that it's not a- a consistent consciousness but it's it's a different person who just thinks that they're the same person
I don't know I don't know how you would prove it but I'm imagining the method is going to somehow involve tagging of the particles or it's going to somehow involve quantum entanglement or something like that there's going to be a way to prove that like he's physically a different person you know he's made from different molecules I mean that can be your only criteria it can't be the the configuration of the brain waves and things like
well well we know from physics is that it individual atoms are not different from each other all hydrogen atoms are basically the same hydrogen atom you can't exactly say that there's anything different about the individual atoms
and it also gets into some arguments about how does the transporter work in the first place which I think are all irrelevant to the fundamental question right does the transporter recreate the person from the energy on the surface of the planet or is it actually sending their individual atoms in a stream which I don't think is the official Star Trek explanation but I'm not sure either way I imagine if we had transporters now there would be no way to prove it and I can imagine that no matter how far our science ever got that maybe there just wouldn't ever be a way to demonstrate this conclusively
you know how you know how you are telling me you know how you're telling me you watch the people versus George Lucas and it made you feel uncomfortable because it made the people really nerdy it's discussions like this that... but I love it
okay so and there have been episodes of Star Trek where they end up with duplicate people which to me seems like clearly there's not a but anyway this is all a roundabout way to say that if there was some kind of technology that existed to transfer my consciousness into a machine I would always be hesitant to use it because I would feel- I would personally think that this is actually the death of me and it is the creation of a thing that thinks that it is me but there might not be any way to ever prove that so I would in future worlds that I hope exists soon I am much more a fan of the I think so the Ship of Theseus problem where you slowly augment and slowly change over your physical being a piece at a time and I think okay maybe I am more amenable to this idea of augmenting the brain slowly over time and maybe this feels more like it's still me a 

lot a person who says you know my X is 10 years old and I've changed the handle three times and the blade four times

yeah is it the same axe and it's the same it's the same kind of thing oh you know my memory is getting a little bit bad so we're going to put a chip in my brain and slowly the brain becomes more chips than it is actually you know squishy delicate fragile organic matter and is that still me at that point I don't know
I'm surprised I'm surprised I thought you've given me hope in your humanity there I don't know if there was a way to know for sure that the the consciousness transfer would not kill me I would do it
yeah but how you defining kill here like you know like this is this seems like a wishy-washy definition of death even right
yeah it this gets messy really quickly hmm you know I'm thinking of it as a continuous stream of consciousness but that but there are it's easy to poke holes in that kind of argument as well you know have you died every time you wake up in the morning because that wasn't a continuous stream of consciousness so I'm not sure if if it gives you hope because again I am I am first on the cyborg train with replacing any parts of my body that I can with superior mechanical ones I mean just just without a doubt
what would you replace first if I said you could replace something tomorrow
well if we're not going to assume brain enhancements which are obviously the way to go because then they let you make better decisions about what parts to replace
if we're going to assume that my my brain is limited okay the top two things on my list I would replace my eyes um and that's partly because I have some visual problems with in one of my eyes in particular so already right like I have this this sack of fluid in my face that isn't working perfectly and so I would like to replace it and I'm just waiting and then this is the second thing I would replace would be my inner ear drums because I have tinnitus in both ears so I always hear a ringing sound all the time
I didn't either
yeah it's irritating but it's not you know certain people have it much worse than I do I'm I'm relatively lucky that but like right now I don't hear it because I'm talking to you and there's there's stuff going on so it's not as bad as it could be but if I if I'm in a quiet room there is there is no such thing for me there is always a high-pitched ringing noise if a room gets too quiet so I'd replace my ears then next on the list you know and then that that would be there'll be the top priority but everything as soon as the the machine is better up I mean obviously just a fool to not you know upgrade to the the newer better model of whatever as soon as possible
just off topic that's what you want discuss
it just was on my mind. talking about talking about current news and and first-world youtube problems I will talk about something that's been in current news but in the context of being a youtuber yeah and that is two of my channels periodic videos and sixty symbols which are like as you know a like chemistry and physics
they traditionally have been kind of my more newsy channels in terms of if something happens in you know in the world I'm able to react to it Windows channels and you know here's the latest news in chemistry and physics traditionally I've done this very quickly little you know usually on the same day if possible like you know you know I can I've always been able to quickly drive to the University of Nottingham where where I fit where most of my collaborations are
and as you also know I've recently left Nottingham all right I live quite I live about two to three hours drive from Nottingham now so my- my trip my filming there is more strategic and planned and it has taken away my ability to make these fast reacting videos
and obviously this means absolutely nothing to you who does not make fast reacting videos
but it has been a change in my life
and I've been very frustrated by it just recently because of the the announcement of the- the polarized light they found in the cosmic my class
I heard about ground
yeah this kind of you know this this new evidence of primordial gravitational waves it's very exciting and I've been really keen to make a video about it and I have finally done the interviews and I would be editing the video now if we weren't talking at the moment but it's been quite frustrating not having not been quite so close to all my experts anymore first world of YouTube problem ID I no longer have instant access to world-class physicists what a terror what a terrible thing has happened to me
for shame uh yeah as it has it that I've faced this obviously a lot because of my terrible production cycle has it changed
yeah by the time you make your video bad at the gravitational waves will have like you know yeah
there's a good sometimes the topics are sold by the time I get around to them everything is changed I think boy I'm glad I didn't do it that you know the first way that time
but has it has it has it changed any of the videos that you have done or have you just not not uploaded as consistently as you otherwise would have oh no I think uh it hasn't affected my production rate because I'm always I'm always behind you know I've always got you know I must have twenty to thirty videos that if I never fit if I couldn't film again I could probably make another fifty or sixty videos just on the bacterial I'm sitting on at the moment and haven't got around to so it hasn't it hasn't slowed me down in that respect but it has it does affect me when it comes to making very reactive videos same day type videos
you know
same day that's amazing
and I with the Nobel Prize was always a fun one because I would always sit there with them
yeah like resin
yeah so we know we have a video up within two or three hours and you know my guess my background in news journalism has has made that seem very simple thing for me but now geographically yeah yeah anyway just thought I'd share that because it's newsy and it's a it's that kind of first world a problem that no one will really sympathize with but obviously you know I get all these tweets and emails and messages now "when are you going to do a video about bicep and the gravitational waves" and and the answer is or hopefully if I start late I might get it done but then I got Derek here and you know him to be a host something like it might not be till next week unbelievable
unbelievable amount of time and absolutely unbelievable
I apologize
things are different when you can't react instantly and I almost I almost look at that as a kind of guiding principle for the way I make a lot of decisions about how I structure my life is that I don't necessarily want to react to things immediately and with with the video topics that I choose I'm almost kind of glad that my production cycle is so slow because it forces me to pick topics that are going to be relevant for a long time
time yeah time timeless videos I mean that's a great thing about your videos you know
yeah and if I if I was able to make videos faster I could see getting sweeped-up into a much more following the new cycle system and I mean you you are a former news man so obviously you love the news cycle but but for me I feel like that's something I want to stay away from as as much as possible and
it's it's the if you've heard this phrase called a low information diet which is consciously making decisions about limiting the number of inputs to your life and this this is this is something that I definitely consciously do about trying to limit the number of sources of news that can come in to come into my world and I think it can be really beneficial to slow down the pace of things and to react on a longer time scale if you possibly can because you know a lot of news that can come in is just not necessarily really relevant or actionable to you but you can get caught up in a cycle of always staying on top of that stuff
so you're not aware that Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin have broken up I am not aware of that but it's like something so before you know when you said the thing about that the gravitational waves
and I said oh I heard about that yeah I said that because if he's listening now I hope that for us a moment that made Derick absolutely furious because when Derrick came to visit me in London that was one of the first things that we talked about yeah and he said to me in a cafe so have you heard about the the electromagnetic waves in the cosmic background radiation and I said no I have not heard about this and he was absolutely apoplectic about how I had not come across this piece of information and how was the biggest scientific discovery of the year and he was just horrified that I did not know but from my perspective we had a lovely conversation where Derrick informed me all about this and so now when you mention it I can say oh yes I have heard about that thing and
well now when someone tells you that Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow are breaking up you can say yeah yeah I did hear about that
yeah I heard about that uh-huh and this is this is one of the things about kind of again like I don't follow the news I don't really read the news that's very intentional but it's impossible for big stuff not to find its way to you anyway
and and that that's what I think is the great advantage right like oh there's a huge scientific discovery if it's really huge I'm gonna hear about it sooner or later I don't know if there's a really big thing going on in the news that really matters it's going to be impossible not to know but the benefit of filtering out a whole bunch of the of the little minor stuff that doesn't matter is I think huge you just don't occupy your mind with that stuff and it doesn't it doesn't take up it doesn't take up your time
do you know who won the game between Manchester United and Manchester City on Tuesday night
oh come on you know I have no idea
do you know what
I couldn't even tell you what I don't even know what sport you're talking about

laugh I I mean

oh wait no wait I do know wait wait Manchester United is is football right
it is yes okay soccer
soccer I write that
I envy not being a slave to sport like sport is I'm really into cricket
I have heard
yeah and when you yeah yeah and recently Australia have been playing some significant cricket series they had a really big one in Australia against England that were I was completely obsessed with and as you know there are these five day games and a day lasts eight hours and so it's this epic thing and because it was in Australia and I live in the UK it was a really bad time for me and I just couldn't sleep at night I was sleeping with my iPhone under my pillow and naturally waking up every 10 minutes and checking the score and like my it was obviously in my subconscious because I couldn't sleep if I fell asleep I would wake up 10 minutes
addict your honor you're an addict there
man I know how are you stand on addiction - I'm already regretting telling you this now
that is crazy
I just have I just I'm just so passionate about it I just it just it matters so much to me it affects my mood so much how Australia perform at cricket and this is making me sound worse I'm gonna sit on it
I'm glad I'm not married to you your mood is affected by the sports oh man
dude if that's the only reason you're glad you're not married to me we got problems
yeah but that'll be pretty high on the list you know yeah if I was gonna make a list of reasons not to marry Brady
I don't think we'd be a good couple he gets grumpy if his sports team is losing
you know this is you know this is common I know you laugh like it's a funny little Brady thing you know this is really common in the world that like particularly among men that their mood is affected by the performance of sport teams they're passionate about you know this is common daily
I can understand that that that people get elated when their sports teams win and sad when their sports teams lose and that that's that's the emotional drama of sports teams
I mean that I guess that's why people follow them partly but it sounds like you just all a big grump around the house because
I know I've alwa

ys didn't didn't pull out a win it won't it won't like it won't be a long-term thing like if we lose you know within half an hour or so it's a forgotten thing but

they were like the freezing if we lose that if they lose if we lose I find that so interesting

yeah yeah
I mean it you know it's a I do the same thing in other domains I just that's I think that's a very very natural a human kind of thing to do is to associate
well throwing me a bone here what's your domain let me laugh at you for a minute what's something you become unreasonably passionate about well no actually that I don't think there are things I've become unreasonable maybe you'd have to ask my wife about things I become unreasonably passionate about I guess from my perspective I think "oh wow I'm completely reasonable on all topics" but what I was gonna say the the we thing is I know because a student pointed it out to me once when I was teaching physics lessons I would use the "we" when talking about scientific discoveries yeah the sort of we have discovered very many exoplanets in the last five years
on Oh most of us are too scientific do that too
yeah and I'm using that in in this within this of the collective humanities sense of the word but it's the same thing as when some says oh we've won the football right I have discovered no exoplanets actual people who got PhDs and who know what the doing and put in the hours and the work they discovered excellent
those exoplanets are automated now it's not even humans doing it's computers but that's a that's another story
but even then it's still that's not the we right it's okay yeah an algorithm has discovered it it's still not me in any sense um yeah so but that that's the way I I never one of my students wants it who do you mean by we oh I guess humanity as a whole is who I mean by we but yeah I didn't do anything at all about this which I think she might have been thing is he trying to take credit for this stuff I don't think you did this
it's an interest it's an interesting thing I mean obviously I am as well I don't know I consider myself Australian hmm and I've lived in the UK for a long time now and it is a real bone of contention in my household with with my other half because I support Australia in sport she believes I should support England hmm but I don't and I'm really really and it actually goes so far that I'm really really anti England because in sport Australians are traditionally quite anti England so it gets to a point where I will support against England against all other countries even if Australia has no involvement whatsoever I had it with
nice nice
an Australian will hear me say that and think well that's completely normal you know if Wales beat England at Rugby that's brilliant you know if anyone beat sing let anything it's brilliant to me and it was a funny thing actually I was I was listening to a radio talk show recently and they were talking about they were talking about something where this became relevant and they encouraged people to phone in and I don't phone in radio talk shows but I've because I really like this host and I was driving along and about to stop for a drink anyway it was I decided to call in and they put me on the radio station they put me on there love that the producer liked what I was going to say and they put me on and I had a bit of banter and I explained all of this it was very it was very good fun anyway this in this particular talk show they had like a prize for the person who was the best best cola and they ended up choosing me you know Brady that we're going to give we're going to give Brady the vouchers because it was like a sports type radio show the vouchers were like for a hardware store so they sent me these hundred pounds worth of vouchers for a hardware store 50 pounds I can't remember anyway they sent it to me I was so pleased ah look that I won these hardware store vouchers they're like this this trophy that you know it was sent to me by my favorite like radio presenter
and the funny thing is I'm so pleased with them I refuse to spend the vouchers like I keep them as like a little memento I know you love mementos
yeah yes goes into the mausoleum of your house along with the expensive casino chip that I won at a Monte Carlo Casino and I was so proud that I won on roulette I wanted to keep the chip as a souvenir and didn't cash it in so the casino still got my money
yeah you're gonna have a lot of these little trinkets around your house by the time you're 60 yep
oh well
all around you I know and you'll just be alone in a big cold white room
so happy well hopefully I'll have at least somewhat robotic parts by the time I'm sixty
actually you really you will real play you replace those those liquid sex
yeah yeah man I'm really counting on that I got like you know looking at my watch here no let's hurry this up people um get it give it on top of things


what else gone up any news with you we sort of I think that was supposed to be news in my life and I we talked about you being turned into a robot and Star Trek tellyporting and
yeah if we're talking if we're talking about first world youtuber problems I would say that I have I have a I'm experiencing with my current video what I think is best described as a kind of lateness cascade
how long has it been since your last video
oh god I don't know if I want to know so I want to look it up it has been too long it has been too long what
do you know we should do
you know what the terrible thing is I can't actually remember up top my head what my last one was was a jury duty it was that mother yeah yeah
we should we should find out and like put it on Reddit or something how many videos I've put out between your two videos
now I don't even want it
that could become like a new game I
know like that have not needed to become a new game
that would be really I'm gonna do that
I know I know
how many of them do how many videos I've had since your last video oh god I wish I had not like this
is it the podcast is that is that has that become a distraction is that a time sync or not
I would say no and actually
I guess you are moving house as well aren't you
yeah I just I want to should make it a note about that the the podcast thing I think it feeds into a potentially a future thing that would be worth a whole topic about different kinds of energy for different kinds of projects but I can say basically that that know the podcast has has not taken time away from videos because the videos are a very different sort of work
but so this is this is what I would say is it is lateness cascade so I was I was working on a video we'll call it topic a and as I was going through it I realized about halfway through ooh there's something interesting that I want to do with this but I know that that is going to take a lot of time to do because I may need help from some other people to actually get it to work the way I want but but in while was working on the topic AI realized oh because of the move I'm already kind of late and overdue for my next video so I don't want to pick a big huge topic to work on now let me switch to a short topic
so I shelved video a and moved on to video B this is about half way probably yeah towards the beginning of March actually
and so my whole goal was to try and get this video done by the end of March because there's something in particular that I want to do for April but now it looks like because of various things like the move, like Derek infecting me with his virus and taking up a whole bunch of my time today that was supposed to be working on a video
chinkyu about languages
to me about languages umm and Anna and a few a few other things and also just my own taking a long time right I'm not trying to blame this on external factors like I just I'm slow with these videos sometimes right so it doesn't look like I'm gonna make it for the end of March because we are recording this what is today this is the 20 what 25th I think 27th oh my god okay yeah it's never gonna happen Matt today's the 27th I was aiming for it to be on the 31st so that obviously is not it's not gonna happen but so now here here is the problem at when I was realizing this morning when I thought oh god this is just spiraling out of control
I think oh there's a topic that I want to do in particular for April topic see that I also think will be relatively short and quick so do I drop topic B that I've been working on for three or four weeks now at this point to switch to topic C to hit it for April because topic B is doesn't matter what time it is but topic C should happen in April if it's ever going to come out and this is just this is the kind of problem that I run into sometimes of just switching from one to the other when they're not fully complete and this is this is a problem in my own workflow and like trust me trust me Internet I am constantly trying to improve my own workflow because nobody wants to upload more videos than me however much you might think you might want to see a new CGP grey video trust me CG gray wants that video more than you do


there are some times when I have to make changes usually it's killing a project because I just realized that a video just isn't working for whatever reason usually this is boring I'll realize one day I'm bored by my own script this is just not interesting


that that's not a good sign when you're reading something I think god I don't even care and I'm supposed to be the person who cares the most right now this is this is a problem sometimes of trying to switch to something quicker and I think that that is a kind of decision that I should make less, probably. and this going back to a computer talk for a second I've been reading up on it's a thing called scrum which developers in the audience will know about but it's it's a it's a methodology for creating computer software because computer software is is it's not similar to writing but it's in the same genre of things where it's a big project it's a creative project and it's very hard to put an estimate on how long it's going to take to actually make the thing to a particular standard so there are lots of software methodologies that exist where people try to systematize the process of making something creative and I've been looking into scrum and a few others because part of their fundamental philosophy is about pre committing to completion of certain tasks in a certain amount of time and disallowing changes in that until a certain amount of time has passed


and I've been looking at that and thinking oh I wonder because I use a very people who follow me on Twitter know I use a very heavy "getting things done"-based-system but I've been frustrated with that in the past few years and I'm trying to switch to something different so scrum and his also thing called agile there's a few software stuff that I'm looking at but basically I am also trying to improve my productive output and I'm very systematic about that and I think that this is this is something I'm going to move to try for a little bit to see if I can avoid this switching problem which I'm fully well aware sometimes ends up in this kind of lateness cascade
kadar this is my thought
and I'll preface it by saying your videos are very very good and they're better than my videos and more people watch them and and that is because you know you spend so much time on them so I will never criticize you for spending a lot of time on any videos
I'm feeling a big however or but coming
however but yeah deep I sometimes begin to wonder if you become you've become you become so preoccupied with procedures and methods and putting all these things in place to increase your productivity that they actually affect your productivity and if you spent less time thinking how can I be more productive and instead spent that time producing you'd make more stuff
yeah okay so I can completely understand how it seems this way from the outside but because it's not it's something that I talked about and you probably see me I love to talk with other people about how they get work done this is a perennial topic of conversation when I meet productive people
but I think one of the keys to an effective system is it has to be very lightweight on a day to day basis so on a on any particular day I am NOT obsessed with how the system works and all of these various tricks and I think that there's there's a term for that which is productivity porn right there that you are reading up about tips and tricks and all this kind of stuff are ended and it's it's it's like a kind of pornography right you're not doing anything
you're just consuming this material and I think there there is definitely something to that but but no in my day to day it is not a driving thought but as I mentioned in one of my videos I do have a a weekly review system and that's when I think about this a lot and
well if even if weekly seems too much to me
but but but bi-weekly review this doesn't this is not more than a really 15-minute kind of think about how the work work week went scenario I'm not spending a whole morning pondering and looking into the clouds of thinking "oh I wonder how I could be more productive let me watch these clouds float by and wait for thoughts to come into my mind" right which would obviously be just terrible
the other sounds like you're doing oh I'm gonna try this alpha beta test I'm gonna try using this for a week and see if it encrypt and then I'll try that and then I'll read about that and it's time for me to completely review the system you know just make the video man I want to watch your video
okay let's let's talk about let's talk about the thing that I put off later let's discuss it now which is the amount of energy so all productive systems have a kind of bottleneck in them somewhere
yeah are there's going to be some point that is the the slow point that you that you can't speed up no matter how much you try
um and for for me that is the writing part of it that's the bottleneck everybody always thinks it is the animation that takes a really long time that's that's not the killer it is it is the writing that takes a long time but it takes a long time because at least in my experience I can't sit down and just write say for eight hours in a row because there's there's a diminishing returns on improving the script and I definitely know on days there have been days where I overworked your scripts and I can see that like oh boy the last two revisions today are worse than when I started I should I should have just stopped an hour ago because I've actually made it worse than the beginning was so the slowness has a lot to do with the writing it doesn't have a lot to do with just straight-up animation or other problems that can happen with the video production so I guess what I'm trying to say here is is this is sometimes difficult to talk about but I even I even heard myself saying it in in the the I think the third episode we were discussing work-life balance
is it's very easy to talk about a lack of time because I think that's a socially acceptable construct nobody's gonna argue if you say like oh I'm too busy to do something
right but time is not the resource that is really a question it is about I wish I had a better word for but it really is about energy management and you have certain amounts of energy for certain kinds of projects
it's almost a concentration
yeah I think concentration is a is a good way to put it hmm because there's there's there's just a ton of very interesting research about particularly willpower and people's ability to make decisions and I mean you can plot that stuff on a graph to show how this is basically like a battery that starts off strong and runs down low as the day goes on
because I can spend an hour editing at certain times and get loads done and spend an hour editing at other times and the same thing and not do it as well and that's just a concentration things and yes like how how concentrated is your yeah how intent intensity is another word for it
yeah that yeah that's that's that's a good way to put it and so this is where I'm very aware of my particularly good writing times putting the scripts together but I would say on a on a really great day I have probably about four hours tops of very high quality writing now that just means writing I do spend other time doing research and and other administrative stuff but after four straight hours on a single script there's just nothing that's going to happen it's like it's like used up for the day and I try and I'm when I talk about messing around with with productivity systems I have various ways that I'm trying to figure out how to get more quality writing time out of a day and I I have not successfully done that at this point
no I just this is so you know I've got a respecter you know and I've got to respect you and you know your scripts are very well-written but they're short and your videos are short and is hard for me with my background in newspapers and television to comprehend that you spend so much time writing them when I come from a world where you know I would go out and spend my day meeting people and interviewing people and making phone calls and finding stuff out and the writing is almost the just the blast you do at the end for like you know twenty eight twenty minutes before deadline to get the thing done and I know a newspaper story that I would write is not as well crafted as one of your scripts
yeah but but here but let's I mean I'll be totally fair here right let's say you spend twenty taught at twenty brothers let's make the numbers easy here right let's say you spend one hour on a newspaper article and let's say I spend a hundred hours on a script hmm my script is not a hundred times better than your newspaper article
all right I write some pretty bad ones in my days but hopefully nothing to
me like it doesn't it doesn't scale linearly with hours input I'm and I'm very aware of that and that's also a place where I think I have to be aware of of actually constraining possibly the writing time and saying look that's part of why I was looking at scrum but I actually I actually had it on my on my list here because I know you were a newspaper man what is your advice about writing faster or how did you write so quickly
well I guess you had to like there was no choice you had to write quickly because you had to send it to the people at this time so that it could be printed onto the paper and delivered people to read in you know over breakfast in the morning and there was just no choice there was no you know you talk about changing your mind and deciding actually I'm not going to do that one nor her you know external factors that just wasn't enough that just was not an option you know
you would be fired if you if you took that attitude in newspapers and I think that just teaches you like you know it just teaches you to write whether you feel that whether you're in the mood or feel the inspiration or you're particularly happy with what you did and that's why you know so many newspaper reporters become authors because they have that discipline to write and finish writing and do the job whereas other people who aren't don't have that background but quite fancy becoming an author will quite often just spend forever you know going back over chapter one and improving or deciding this is no good and I want to start again you know newspaper journalists don't think like that
I will just interject for a second because I want to make sure we hit this point I will just say that I completely agree with you about the waiting until you feel like it I come I come across this as well from people sometimes we want to we want to be inspired when they write and I know that I'm not writing like a newspaper person but that is my experience as well is is you had a train your brain okay look you're just writing in the morning and it doesn't matter if you don't feel like it and that that is definitely that definitely works I think a younger version of myself who was way more foolish and tried to write I mean is like 10 years ago tried to write things was waiting around to feel inspired and that is just a loser's game


right here not good you're never gonna get anything done that way right morning times are writing times and that's just this is the end of it brain I'm sorry you're gonna have to you're gonna have to do this now so I I definitely agree with that um
yeah I don't know maybe you should go work for a newspaper for a few years I would never do that
never work for a newspaper I think you'd enjoy it
I think I think I would not
working for a newspaper I think is a is a brilliant experience you learn so much about so much like everyone wants to be on TV and work in TV and then I used to work in TV and people would say how can I do it you know and I always would say to them the best thing you can do is go and work for a newspaper and people in TV who employ new journalists want to take them from newspapers unless you learn so much and it's a real there it's a real baptism of fire but you know they're also bit rubbish
well yeah but that's a separate issue but but so for you the main thing about writing quickly was just that the deadlines existed and you would be fired if you didn't hand in
yeah and we learn - you learn - maybe maybe you learn to let go and maybe that's because you don't have to put videos on YouTube you find it hard to let go
yeah I mean there is as we've discussed before there isn't an implicit deadline of a monthly cycle not hitting a monthly cycle is is not the best
but even though you say not the best you know yeah that's true I only have I'm not getting fired from YouTube for not turning in my numbers uh I do know in YouTube they do keep track of these kind of things and again I've gotten comments sometimes from from the inside of YouTube about oh we see you didn't upload anything this October so it's being kept track of which is a little funny sometimes like oh uh
maybe they just worry that you know you may be you know you've
something's wrong yeah I sent someone around to knock on the door and make sure you're okay
yeah maybe maybe
or maybe they're just worried about advertising revenue
yeah I think that's that's probably their primary concern
I was going to say the only other thing which just talked about my routine and one of the reasons why this might be a little slower is that many of the times you know if I didn't really think about this until now we were talking earlier about how I used to give talks


and when I when I was a trainee teacher and I was trying to prepare for lessons and I got caught doing this a couple times which is a little embarrassing I give a lesson to an empty room in the school before giving a lesson to an actual classroom full of kids so I would I would get up in front and just teach as though this was the way I was going to do it sort of time it for handing out stuff and then okay what am I going to talk about here enough how was all the rest of us and presentations when I was doing it for my time management business it's the same kind of thing I did the presentation sort of over and over again and I guess when I'm doing the writing for the script because I know it's going to be a YouTube video ideally I want to be in a place where I can talk this script out loud and so I'll set up my my laptop somewhere where I can stand up you know like I'm going to be when I'm recording and I I do the whole thing out loud I'm talking it out as I go through the whole script and so I'm trying to think of it as how is this going to be said in an actual video and maybe what that's one of the reasons why I'm just I'm very slow with writing maybe it's it's it's a different kind of process but it yeah it doesn't change the fact that I definitely I definitely do want to make more videos more quickly but the the writing is is by far and away the bottleneck for me and I am always thinking about ways to try and try and squeeze more out without having the quality go down but yeah so far not greatly successful on that
I am as always astonished by how different you and I are


it is like we are from different planets sometimes it is it is like I would never like rehearse a talk or presentation or something I would just kind of
what about that talk I saw you do did you did you uh did you rehearse that one
no no
see that I don't understand at all you get you can't get up and just blimey obviously you did and you did it great but I couldn't get up and give a talk spontaneously in front of a large group of people I would have to rehearse that a lot
like obviously like in that case you know I had slides so I knew the order of things and I knew I knew the points I wanted to hit and it was just like the slide itself was like my bullet point you know oh it's a picture of that that means I'm going to talk about this but you know I think about it I do I do most of my thinking in the shower so I have quite long showers


and I'll and which you know gets me a lot of trouble but so I do think about it and I think yeah I want to do this and I want to say that and this is where I want to take it but I would never like rehearse it or or you know pretend to do it
that's amazing it's interesting isn't it
yeah I mean you you give you give a good presentation so I cannot I cannot argue with your method but
oh I mean thank thank you but and I'm not so you know maybe they would be better or if I if I rehearsed but
yeah but this is this is the same problem I would if you were Hurst for ten hours would they be ten times better probably not right they did so this is a question of a marginal utility of how much additional time do you want to sink into something before it doesn't make any sense to do so and so that that's there's other reasons again just going back that's that's that's one of my thoughts about consciously reducing the amount of time that I spend on writing the scripts to see if that if that has an effect but yeah anyway
I should say like we we didn't plan to talk about this at all obviously no we designed and I know and I know some of these topics are like super super close to your heart
they are
so I think we need to say for the record this is this is not the last word and you know there are there's more to be said on this and I know you would being someone who likes to prepare I'm sure one day you'd like to prepare and have a few more points about
yes I
don't sell those I know we kind of stumbled over it and and you're gonna probably agonize now and think oh I didn't I should have said this and I am going to agonize like you wouldn't believe and we have to pull let me see if I can pull this up here because


uh where's my where's my review so we did stumble upon this and okay here we go so I have been again I understand why it sounds like or from your perspective it sounds like I'm- I'm always changing stuff up and I'm always I'm always uh tinkering around the edges but part of it is I've I've been having this feeling over the last two years you know really since I've been self-employed that the the very robust system that I made for myself as a teacher that worked like a you know just a great machine and was was beautiful has not served me as well in my self-employed time I've been trying to figure out trying to figure this out and I have been working on this in quotes "a review" of the book "getting things done" it's called getting things done ten years later because I've been using the system for a decade now but my book review in quotes is now twenty two hundred words of basically my experience with this system and how I have found over time it has been less and less effective for me in in this new role where where I'm doing script writing and so I'm I am this is it this is like a big thing in my life that I'm trying to work out by writing down because writing is a kind of thinking and getting it out and saying okay where where is where the issues here how can I get up how can I get a new system set up but it really is from my perspective it is a very slow very deliberate process I'm not always making changes all the time and and switching the system up so anyway someday that review will be published hopefully soon on my website but and that that at the very least would be a much more clear thought through record of my experiences with this topic so
we'll get there we'll get with I'm sure this will come up on multiple occasions
if it helps if it well
I know they've been some listeners to the podcast who have who don't really like it when we like have a set topic that we discuss and it's a bit meandering second I apologize to those people for this podcast because you can very clearly not going to like this one


we are we did it we were like normally we have like you know we do follow-up and then we have like what's going on and then we kind of try and ease into a topic but we never we didn't get to the topic side of things which is actually probably a good thing because we hadn't decided on a topic
yeah that's a very kind of view this is again we hadn't decided on a topic it was me really my responsibility to come up with something to talk about and I failed on that very very spectacularly so
I was up I was going to be not our topic was going to be not having topics
so we'll have to save the topic of not having a topic for a future episode yeah yeah maybe we will I was looking over my my desperate list and and trying to try to come up with something but yeah maybe yeah not having topic is a topic for the future there is something there's something we do have to mention that before we wrap up
which was the ending from the previous podcast yes which I have to give full credit was your genius idea to just cut it off there and that went that seemed to go down very well people enjoyed the very abrupt ending
well actually it's interesting you should say that because there's something very important that I'd like to say about that
that's we should cut
oh I can't do it again man no I'm not I've I did it once I'm not gonna do this a second time how you gonna how you gonna end this one then because because on the first one when I say oh I had something I wanted to say about that I really did have something that I wanted to say about that
yeah but if I tell people now like that it has to be like you know no tell him tell him you tell fun
no now you hit now you have me down bad so
I tell you what they better be good go on what were you gonna say what was the thing you wanted to say but ending the podcast that's so good come on I hope it's well written
this is terrible no I don't I don't have
what what were you going to say I actually do want to know their no but no you just you just humor me no no no just tell me anyway even if you cut this off tell me
okay the thing the thing that I was going to say is that I too am aware of the the abruptness of the ending and all I was all I was going to say was was to to say I would really like a little ending jingle sound the same way we have opening jingle sounds but I have I have never found anything that I find perfectly acceptable and so I was just going to say that if in the comment section if we have any audio engineers among the listeners that if they wanted to try to come up with a little ending sound I I wouldn't be opposed to that I would definitely be interested to hear what people but people have
but me a song or a jingle
yeah I guess not they're not a song but just some sort of little sound because it has to be quick right like the the podcast is over now and just some sort of audio marker that it's over in the same way there's an audio marker when the advertising starts but
but now I just feels just terribly it feels like a terrible
you've made it out there you've thrown it out there
yeah but but we're not gonna have that sound for this podcast so this one is just going to have to end hard

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