H.I. No. 43: The Naughty Episode

"The Naughty Episode"
	Hello Internet episode
Episode no.	43
Presented by	CGP Grey; Brady Haran;
Original release date	July 17, 2015
Running time	1:53:28
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"H.I. #43: The Naughty Episode" is the 43rd episode of Hello Internet, released on July 17, 2015.^[1]

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Corporate Compensation Corner starts the podcast with a bang before going on to: a major victory for Freebooting, jobs-while-listening-to-Hello-Internet corner, cargo ships and the environment revisited, reddit's CEO resignation, free will follow-up, the limits of what you might want to know about Scarlett Johansson, being wrong about predicting the future, the death and the inevitable decline of our careers, before finishing up with a serious amount of cursing.

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Brady: -ink I seem to be doing everything correctly.

Grey: Oh yeah?

Brady: Touch wood.

Grey: [chuckles]

Brady: [taps desk] But not too often, 'cause you get upset when I touch the wood.

Grey: I get upset when you touch your wood.

Brady: Don't you sound all- don't- stop it, you're not normally that rude! You have got a rude streak sometimes, Grey.

Grey: I do not, I do not.

Brady: You do, you do.

Grey: No...

Brady: You have a naughty side.

Grey: [chuckles] The word naughty is one of these cultural differences. I think for Americans this is quite a sexy word, but for English people and Australians it is not a sexy word.

Brady: No, it's like- it's word you use for children, like "don't be naughty".

Grey: Yeah I have heard this over wavin children contacts like with little kids. Yeah how did I but I don't think no matter how long I'm here will I ever get comfortable with listening to adults tell little children about how naughty there being it's like oh God it's just that I was and I never I just don't think of the word noting that you day I know I know you don't but it's just it is unsettling to me. Maybe it's just me but I feel like this is an American thing I might be wrong about this though you know I can see on videos do I'm looking right at you right now or have we started we don't make you see faces to make you laugh out loud I think nobody now minimizing you now this feel different doesn't it. Yeah the company's collapse of the official start there on how to what do we do we officially stuff how does the share stuff we go through follow up and you've written the first thing for out and you've written the first thing and follow up with goods goodies that was me covering it up so that I can do it added later we had unity would you never protect me with that he's reached out to is my you do this all the time you say things and I pull out the first but you're just super sensitive to I have to say right here in the last episode I did notice what a good job you did. Improving May thank you for the first time. Well either that or I've got a lot better between episodes. Forty one and forty to but I think it's more likely you would need to be more diligent with the editing I was not more diligent I do the same thing that I do all the time it was and I think it better. No you didn't you were just paying attention to the fact I try to save you from yourself in the editing I try to save both of us from ourselves in the editing but even with hundreds of cut there's only so much a man can do you can always do more if you want to do one additional final edit that's a whole is fine by me but three added to a maxed out for edits now OK for you to are you taking on the Fourth at it is that what you're saying is that no no no. OK You would never let me do that anyway. You're too much of a control freak if you wanted to do a fourth at it after I have done three edits I'd be fine without now because I've put in things that you wouldn't like like you know when I say added I don't mean you get to just add in clown honking sounds or would it like whatever you're going to put in I just mean edit in the way that idea of cut down and make shorter That's what I mean by bite at her I'm going to do one of those that I'd be happy if you don't want plan something sounds fun they that way. Let's start follow up. OK what's the C.C.C. Thing in the follow up what do you think that stands for corporate compensation corner you are a good man. Goodman really going to have another corner. OK yep its corporate compensation course this isn't new. We really don't. Corporate this is corporate compensation corn a follow up. Yeah remember we talked about me getting stranded on the runway and then the lighter they are decided I'd throw my hat in the ring and try and get this compensation in Europe. Apparently your entire to tell you and you told me I'd have to jump through a thousand hopes and I'd never get up I gotta Wow And you know what I didn't even know I'd got it I was going through my bank account today for sorting out the tax mend there was an entry there that completely bemused man I'm not stuck with that money come from and I had come from. Quantas and they had paid me this chunk of money that keeping me stranded on the runway and I was like oh I never told me that I didn't know I was getting that money and I went through my A mouse and sure enough I even got an email that I'd missed saying we've decided that you are going to get the money will be sending you the money to your bank account and because I know of. Quanta say mouse because they usually Spann telling me to go on. Slots and things like that and I had just not read this email from Qantas and it was for and it was payday so good on many a very exciting for you. Brady G.I. Was not a trivial amount of money. Another join to share with the audience how much it was it was four hundred and forty pounds. Well are you surprised by that I don't know how much of the plane ticket I have no frame of reference or not and I was a trip to extract it so I was expensive but you know the real funded a portion of the the plane ticket is that what you're saying if it chunk of an astute just about the trip. True I did get there. Incredibly light Mr party the spread of the nothing it is better than nothing. That's true I'm very happy for you. Brady I've got more corporate compensation CORDONE Yes Man this is this is an amazing start for anybody who this is their first listen to the hello internet pod cast if this is your first ever said a prayer when spent basically welcome to this podcast where we spend a lot of time talking about our efforts to get compensation from companies. No we don't. This but this is never happened before. This is mention offhandedly once before and now we're just getting follow up from it because Brady likes to turn everything into a corner like a good karma for the next part of this let's try to move along a fat the weekend I mentioned in the last episode that been a parade of me and my family and I was actually supposed to be going on holiday that wake and obviously we didn't go on holiday and the flotsam I was going on that wake will kind of cheaper airlines you know the easy chair and Ryanair we actually had it easy Jet fly and a Ryanair fly I wasn't even going to try and get compensation from them because we just didn't take the slots we can even cold yet lobby just said well we're not going on the flights. And then notorious for being pretty tight there's a lot with money so I thought Well that definitely won't be worth the trouble but my wife said I go on what kind of hair that send them a couple of a mouse. Both of them fully refundable slots while couldn't believe it's in the May We're really good Gray do you know I'm pretty quick to complain about bad customer service and the slag people off so I think it's only fair that occasionally when someone does the right thing and tricks Mira I've given the mention I'm still not recommending flying Easyjet Ronit terrible and gin. Caroline I would want to fly. Lesson I kind of have to sometimes fly with them but I would recommend them but most of them they really deliver the goods they were they were sympathetic to have to fund at the slots could own a glad that their customer service made you happy but at least with the Jets I find there we don't assign any seats until the gate maneuver. Basically causes a cattle stampede every time you're trying to get on one of their airplanes A.Z. Jet turned data Ryanair the ones that are bad for that maybe that's right now than they did that in my mind they merged together. Yeah got that down so I can Iraq where you see Jet did that when I was finally maybe to I think that you study that I think I don't you know I always try and get the front row seats anyway I pay extra side I can avoid the the scrum. Yeah something else that has made me very happy is the continuing growing strict finning. Campaign to save the campaign the more it's just it's over the free voting is just the word now and I had another major victory this wake little series of articles that came out in various sources most of which were the result of interviews with agood might destine few other people there was one in slight I think I've got it here hang on. Dustin has become the brand ambassador for free bring a has I tell you what they are. I checked I checked Ignace one because they actually contacted me and I said you know you need to speak to Destine. Thinking that Colin up and get a quote from him I didn't know I was going to turn into that. Destin Sandland road show where the. Basically made him a superstar. Embedded all these videos. If I'd known that are going to go to town I still wouldn't given them an entity but I think yeah the court I did give them a quote way before last time we discussed how you wanted not to be the center of attention that exam wouldn't want to be the lead singer in a band you wanted to be first guitar in a band. Exactly yeah that means occasionally when there's not a chorus chime in with a little yeah yeah something like that right. Enough gotta have a little bit of a little bit of a a say I start going to bail out the center and that's what happened here that this article was in the article I'm going to read the whole thing after now we're going to read the whole thing because it's just it's just page after page of destine talking but but the part that I like this last year on his podcast. Hello winter if you like that do you do that. The astray Lee and filmmaker filmmaker I like that rather than yeah this trail info make a Brady Haran coined the term freebooting to describe the act of taking someone's You cheap pretty and re uploading it on a different platform P.R.N. Benefit than has the Quite I had long said I found the word copyright infringement. Somehow an adequate Heron explained to me via email I was just browsing words associated with piracy and thought the outward freebooting somehow felt right and had a computer online feel to it is that how you talk when you are doing interview I just you know you know audiobooks you could have a different voice when you're in quite Is that how you narrowed an audiobook. Maybe if it was you was a cord from your would have gone into nerd voice Oh good thank you thank you Your voice is very very accurate that was my contribution that unite us where there it's just it's going to be in a dictionary site it will be I have long since conceded victory to you. Yeah I'm not you know I'm not I'm not trying to rub rub your nose in that again you are now part of pain free voting and I respect that but what a great moment for Apple. Cast your pasta some my podcast What a great moment for me it's going to be a that word makes into the dictionary it is how we're going to mark that event what we today I'm thinking I'm thinking commemorative plates. I'm thinking tea towels with freebooting printed on it definitely Taisha it's are guys that sang a freebooting mug I think is going to be. Merchandise I think we're going to crazy. Can we have a a party on a pirate ship. Cry That's genius. What about boots What about authentic free parts and we team up with some cobbler some shoemaker somewhere and has authentic hello internet free boats might you want to give away boots for free I'm not going to give them away. OK Our free boots they're not free. Yeah free very committed small press and made by a cobbler. Not actually a small Right but you know what will happen and some of the rival couple or stop making human the Freebird affray boots that will inevitably happen anyway. Yeah well done. Destine for continuing to spread to her death. Well done for eighty M. Well done Freddie for recommending they speak to Destine I'm sorry I'm the king make a great you are marching make you care. I'm just annoying to he will become famous. Right but and I know I know when to Destine right you anointed destine but he is the executor of this situation. He's the one doing the he crossed the nettle that is fair to say what's a nettle I don't what you grasp when you you know you've heard the saying grasped the nettle havingness know. I can hear you sighing over there. Grasp the nettle the meaning is to tackle a difficult problem boldly and I think that's the way you used it I think oh it's because because he was confronted with an interview in a situation and he and he could have filed but he did it well he liked indeed to be a well he spread the word he made into a big thing. He crossed the netto I'm not sure I would characterize doing an interview with a reporter as a difficult problem. Destin does everything boldly So we've got that part of it down that's fine but you know Grade ten seconds ago you hadn't even heard of the saying and now you're accusing me of using it incorrectly. Oh I've got a page over here called phrases dot org dot U.K. With a picture of little plant and it says to tackle a difficult problem building. OK so the figurative advice to be bold and grasp the nettle derives from the property of the plant to inject toxins that into the skin of any person or animal who brushes against its stiff hollow hairs if the plant is grasped firmly especially if it is done in the direction of the hair that the hairs are growing the hair tend to be pushed flats and avoid penetrating the skin that so that the first time how their internet listener about now is wishing we were going back to incorporate come I think this is the way more interesting than core for company. Seriously this will these guys do they talk about compensation and like to find signs that pretty much is always a safe you know enjoyed under a committed start listening that you abandon all hope and I did and I'm looking at the night C. and I could Terry it's not going to get any better than they are right let's move out of the next thing we have listening on the job. Updates this is fast becoming asked favorite the podcast where we recount stories of what people do while listening to hello internet. I think it's been quite a few in the bread I'm sure you've seen some. Ahead of these nights and I think we've lost them. Benno yet you actually make notes here is one that could have been boring but was was polled from the fire was reading the same out this person is a final video colourist and T.V. Dailies operator ninety percent of my workday spent scrolling through hours of sound this footage and making it look as beautiful as possible. This comes from someone called See Ryan and that's what I do have a color correction could be slow data process and my mind tends to want to get distracted with app already a stimulus so I think you can guess what's coming. Thankfully the getting fully that I have a fast collection of audiobooks and podcast hang on vast collection of the pope costs to keep my mind occupied. Here she says but hello internet is easily one of my favorites. There's something very encouraging for lack of a better word about listening to an hour's long in-depth conversation between two pals I don't know who's talking about there who are both somewhere like I definitely don't know who's talking about that. Yet so different they really keep my work moving along so that's a pretty that's a really good kind of pretty standard a mile I would say that he is he is where the email gets pulled from the fire and gets to a whole new level of interesting narrative this so now for a fun bit of trivia for you guys here is a list of some video productions that hell Internet has helped me color in the past year. N.B.C.'s crisis say someone Fox's Empire season one feature films a good person. Long way to the top. Final colors of the music video. Dusty wing spirit by Adam Taurus final colors of shorts commercials white WAIT DON'T TELL ME. L. Prof and the advanced technological regression of NESTA tell but so we have like a whole list here of things that have been colored with help and I think we should be put on the I.M.D.B. Databases having contributed to these productions. Oh yeah is that you think I think were unsung heroes I'm not asking for money just as to credit. Oh OK Just just a credit in coloring a sister are that what you would want to have to be that data out I think just have a our forces Empire brought to you by how their Internet. Carb via brought to you by Bradley Heron luring is the status and grey Norty poise I see what you're doing and what your dear you're being nosey. Oh you could then I want to come to that letter what else have I got here in the job department I love this is what I like to rejoin the same A and this is going to also a segue nicely to our next place a follow up the how I read Ian Gray This is from John much I love this into how the Internet in the latest episode you mentioned a listener right in saying our professional bass player I am also a professional bass player so it was kind of neat to hear that but I also have another connection to a subject you were talking about in the episode. Human Gray mentioned you're interested in ships and I've been checking out our Web site where you can view the position of ships. I'm employed as a basis to on a cruise ship so next time you're browsing marine traffic look up my ship and you can see the exact position of someone who was likely listening to an episode of hell internet while say oh yeah John to handle by so on a boat has given me the name of the ship. OK so I'm going to coal up a Web site now in the last episode we linked to the Web site I used to look at ships and I have since been told correctly by many many people are was using an inferior Web site for this purpose and I had a guy what's what should I go to now the one that I'm locking at the moment is code. Marine Traffic dot com This is a better one cycle of Marine Traffic dot com green traffic dot com And if at the top coal at the top brought that you say if a search your suggestion vessels stroke port Yep so obviously that's put the name in there which is what the site was is and some of the C.C. That's fine at where Joan is right now at them of the Seas. Anthem of the say so there it is like it's docked in Pomona hum it's a huge ship. Look at a safe it is an enormous ship says that is just off the eastern coast of Spain not two thousand Flint C.S. Has that they are even doom right in to precisely where it is docked at this very moment. Oh yeah if you can see this enormous ship and exactly where in the port. Oh wow yeah that's a very good test it basic It was a fantastic Web site. And with this Web site you can create fleets of your favorite ships and follow them around so I might I might add that one to my Slate Oh I see add to fleet at to fellate flushed the flag of the Bahamas on us who does what cruise ship doesn't fly the flag of the Bahamas it's not always about how misses a few others it could have and it's almost always the Hamas we know what you're up to behave as such we talked about ships lost are the cargo ships something like that I watch them going past either an ego at my window at the moment that a look that would be a nice know that I needed to look at the wind I never to have this Web site on the never look at my window again. That's exactly right this website can entirely replace the view out your window just don't don't even look up from your monitor just open up the Web site and then you will then you'll be able to see all the ships that are passing by outside. Excellent last time we were discussing a friend of yours who rather than fly on an airplane. Took cargo ships across the ocean out of some environmental consciousness that are the same. Yeah and I started to have a little bit of a rant about how this stuff drives me crazy because of how terrible cargo ships are in terms of carbon dioxide emissions. Yeah and and just if I didn't give that to you by the why I did say I was and show you a rot. Oh yeah yeah student think you're right. Yeah well this is this is when the think there was a big discussion on our sub Reddit about it and people arguing back and forth about various things I spent I spent a good a good while today trying to pull up some actual numbers on like E.P.A. Dot dot gov pulling up I have in front of me this this ridiculous this ridiculous cycle seventy one page document from the E.P.A. About the carbon dioxide emissions of everything as a O'Boyle surely this will this will help me no it doesn't help me have been the theory can file and looking for every chart is either not detailed enough or too detailed to be completely unhelpful is just it's it was very frustrating because I was I was just trying to find an answer to this question about the relative pollution of of these various things. Yeah and so here's what people were discussing in the Reddit which is which is as clear as it gets that if you are measuring carbon dioxide emission per distance. Ton of cargo ships. Gigantic cargo ships are very efficient and aircraft are very not efficient otherwise I'd ship cars all around the world in flames with my Exactly it like this was this was never really the the question. Well of course if you're going to have to ship a whole bunch of cargo around. You probably don't want to be shipping very heavy things in aircraft even dinner. Carbon dioxide emissions a side is not going to make any economic sense. Yeah and so most of the arguments that I saw from people were based upon these numbers talking about tonnage of raw materials moving back and forth but my my argument is that people are not the same thing as boxes of steel that you that's and it's unusual for you to make that argument. Well I was just a passing thought I was about to say they're not books of stereo yet if I get to that actually later so people say oh we everyone should be using cargo ships due to travel across the oceans. Yeah but if you're going to do that then and this is a massive infrastructure change because I was also looking up the travel times it seems like the fastest just about any cargo ship can cross the Atlantic if they're going full steam is five days and it looks like the the majority of ships were taking ten or twenty days to get across the ocean and I presume that that's a bit like when you're in a car that going at a lower speed is more fuel efficient but I don't think it's probably an actual speed limitation I think they're just they're going slower for fuel if you start talking about YOU WANT TO YOU want to move an enormous number of people across the ocean. Well now you also have to provide those people with food. There has to be places for them to sleep. There needs to be some minimal amount of entertainment unless you want this to be like a slave ship and their hunches down in the hole rowing rowing that really carbon vision. So this is when people start arguing about everybody like people should take cargo ships this is the thing that drives me crazy is like OK yes for your friend who is such an infant tests mill amount of the ship that is moving we can consider. I'm to be cargo but there's no full there's no plane that's not flying because he's taking the ship and if everybody were to take ships you know we have to do we'd have to make them more like cruise ships and the environmental numbers on the cruise ships are undeniably awful the current ships are a bit sort of most and meandering and purposeless Oh yeah you know what I'm saying is that Connally's that it wouldn't work at SHAPE TO to stay near the ground just like isn't about basic physics you know work and all the sort of stuff if you if you have to lift something. Thousands and thousands of faith into the air I was a consistent friction and once you do that. My frustration with is that the only consideration is not the amount of carbon dioxide being released into the atmosphere there are if if you this is your concern if you're if you are a person who is saying oh I'm really concerned about the amount of carbon dioxide being released is the atmosphere that OK great. I do have a pie chart for you which talks about global C O two gas emissions by source the entire transportation industry which includes all of the cargo ships. He's thirteen percent of the global C O two emissions right and then I was look this is the thing I was trying to break down further but more than half of that thirteen percent is from automobiles so you're talking at most if that if the entire rest of that wedge is nothing but cargo ship at most it's like six percent that's the ceiling for cargo ships in the water and C O two emissions and this is this is this is the it's like people focus on things that they can see that are obvious and they don't focus on thing. Things that they can't see well they also focus on things they can do this is that this is the I jot argument isn't about you know should I recycle I'm just one human out of all these billions and may recycling snow going to make a difference to anything so I'm not going to bother recycling and if everyone does that then nothing gets recycled. You've got you can only do what you can do you can only choose to go on a plane or a boat because that's a lot of the power over you can I can only decide my actions and I can't buy set just oh no I'm just such a small part of the patch otherwise no one does anything. If C O two is a problem you would tack it from the biggest problem. Downward the effect is much much better spend if you are looking at energy supply which is twenty six percent of C O two emissions that's where more than a quarter of C O two comes from and then industrial uses is twenty percent and then agriculture is fourteen percent the these are the places where it can actually have an effect but great I think small grassroots campaign sometimes late to those big things I know this is bit of a long bow and I don't know enough necessarily what's going to happen but if everyone in the way out suddenly said You know I'm not going on planes anymore I'm going on but it's because I think it's better for the environment all the politicians a stop sign. Lottie Hello the people of the way would really care about Cousin dark sort of a sudden maybe we should introduce more and more policies to do with this because they'll keep voting for us and then the start doing things to do with those bigger issues like power an agriculture and so I think saying let's not do something small because we need to attack the big problem first isn't necessarily true. Sometimes these little minor skirmishes can snowball into bigger things. The thing with that is what is your chance of having an effective small scale things snowball into a larger thing. This is the same argument of is is your action does it have any potential to be effective and my answer of of taking a cargo ship instead of a flight is now you have a zero percent chance of having any significant impact on the global transportation C O two emissions in this year the president of the United States that's pretty much the case for every single action every single human on Earth takes no one person can do anything on earth and if and if every single individual says that the nothing gets done though by anyone because we're all pointless you have to organize into effective groups what I get frustrated by is a certain kind of behavior that I see where people want to demonstrate to others their values like I feel like this is this is a kind of human signalling behavior where you want to take a highly visible but almost completely ineffectual action that demonstrates to others what kind of person you are this is a this is a seductive thing to do because you get positive reinforcement from your peers Oh look at you you care about the environment what a good person you are you get that positive reinforcement and then what I think is worse is that you feel like you've done something but you have affectively done nothing or you have actually helped nobody you haven't started a campaign you haven't prevented a single airplane from not flying once you know nothing nothing has occurred I don't know I think a lot of online activities can sometimes be like this where people just want to signal what side they're on and what great people they are in a way that causes no effective change and I think that's worse than doing nothing because you end up feeling like you have done something and you've accomplished nothing at all I think that mental state is worse like a. What do you think it over there well if it makes you feel better about yourself that can be good but yeah that is a whole different thing though that's not what people think they're doing all right. Well I carry your friend doesn't take that cargo ship because he thinks you know what I will be completely human factor been helping the environment but I'll feel better about myself if he was that honest with his motives then I've been like you know what dude that's awesome you go ahead and take that cargo ship you know everything starts with a small step. If everyone had your attitudes and they wouldn't pick up their rubbish as I dropped a piece of paper on the ground. I'd say well I'm not going to pick that up and put it in a big sis just one paisa rubbish one piece of paper on the grounds not going to make the whole world messy So what does my one piece of paper matter so everyone doing something doesn't count. Wit Where there is a problem and the point where the point you make has some strength is if all these people doing these little meaningless actions don't do other actions as a result of it because I think I've done that bit and then they don't do the things that to mete I guess the question I have here is if I care about. Cap'n dockside emissions really strongly what do you suggest I do. As just Jerry citizen you have to seriously think about how much you actually care about this topic and then if you are going to genuinely trying to move toward a solution and for a problem that's on the scale of something like C O two emissions in the world that means you're going to have to join an organization which is working toward your goals because you have no ability as a human to affect this as a single person that's just the out of the gate assumption nothing you do will affect this on a significant level. One way or the other. Let's say you take everything you own and you set it on fire because you hate the environment Well guess what your SEO to emissions don't matter and let's say you love the environment that you do the best thing you could possibly do for Mother Earth which is to kill yourself and to not use up any more resources ever again. Either one of those two extremes you have affected nothing as a human it doesn't matter if you kill the record when advocating that course of action. Well yes but that that is always the reductio ad absurdum of a lot of these arguments of ours you should use less and less and less as I well yeah the ultimate way that you can help mother if it is to be to not partake in her resources and to just remove yourself. Shuffle off that mortal coil Yeah right by them so my point is at the at the extreme ends uses it as an individual have no effect so the real question is do you care enough about this topic to actually give up. Non-trivial amounts of your time in your effort to join forces with other people and create a group that has the potential of affecting the actual outcome give them your money giving them money is also good but I think if you are not crossing that boundary you just want to think you're the kind of person who cares about this without actually having to to pay a lot of cost in terms of time or in terms of money so that's that's my perspective on it if you're not joining together with the group you're just you know you just feeling good about yourself you're just feeling good about yourself. Alright you've told them they go crazy. Oh you people wandering around the house turning off a lot for you go to bed. 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Isn't that right Mr news man. Yeah I guess yeah yeah. Stuff disappears over the weekend. Yeah worst time to do something bad. Monday morning putting out the trash that all the journalists want to go high. Exactly. So she has stepped down. This is Ellen how do you say how last time I presume with Powell but I've never heard it out loud so Adam a brother I can but she stepped down the change dot org petition that we mentioned last time. Reached two hundred intend something thousand names asking for her to step down and so an entire. Early unrelated maneuver her and the board decided it was time for them to part ways not because the public pressure at all but because of unrelated reason and so she is gone now. Well you say what do you think about this guy. Broadly speaking I would say that is welcome news is the way that I would describe it because she from my perspective was not doing a good job in her role as as C.E.O. I mean I read it is an unusual company for very many reasons they are in a an unusually difficult situation of how to manage this website when it is huge so it is not any the job for anybody but I think she was doing a bad job of it now I am more cautious than people might be expecting at this moment. Partly because again this is just happened very recently from our perspective so I don't have a lot of information I was trying to read as much as I could this morning but the but here's the thing she has a line in her resignation which I think is quite telling and worth focusing on in her resignation letter and read it she says quote so why am I leaving. Ultimately the board asked me to demonstrate higher user growth in the next six months then I believe I can deliver and quote I think a good way to always try to view the actions of other people is to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that in their situation with the knowledge that they have they are trying to make the most rational decisions that they can that they are acting in their own self-interest and so while I did not like her as a C.E.O. I still try to think that well she's there's reasons for her actions she is under certain constraints and she is trying to act in a rational way around those constraints from from from her own self interest right I'm not I'm not saying rational in a benevolent way just rational like oh I'm a person of what am I going to do in the situation. And so this. This is a little bit of a window into that and just like with all companies it's sort of easy to forget because the C.E.O.'s are are so on center stage but C.E.O.'s are not the final word in their companies that that's a that's a real like a as Steve Jobs situation where he was in control of the whole board of his company is not the not the norm that is an exception. Yeah and so C.E.O.'s are the employees of the board. Yeah and so the next person who's coming on which is Steve Oh I forgot his last name. Steve Huffman I think funding is one of the around us yet he was one of the co-founders of Reddit he's coming on board as C.E.O. Now he is going to be put in the same situation that Ellen pow wows and if he doesn't have a controlling interest in the stock he is ultimately responsible to the board as well and so that's why I say it is welcome news that Ellen POW is gone because I think that even when she was acting in her own self interest she was just doing a terrible job as C.E.O. But there were still constraints that she was trying to meet and Steve Huffman is going to be in the same position now maybe he can be very charming and convince the board that his way is the right way and he'll almost certainly be better at knowing how to deftly execute change than Ellen powers who seem to have a particular to a new year for the Internet it's welcome news but I'm not throwing a ticker tape parade for the next C.E.O. Because I don't think that all of the problems of the things that I disagree with about Reddit reside with the C.E.O. and I think it's a structural issue like the company it has the boards there are you know there are higher powers that want read it to be profitable in the way the traditional companies are so I am cautiously optimistic about the whole situation but not some people are just throwing a big party like the Wicked Witch of the West has been killed and now all of Oz will be magical again I don't think that that's that's a good assessment of where we are what are you thinking over there. Well I don't have the same affection for read it to heat a lot Gretta I use it every day I get a lot of value from A and I think that a lot of interesting people on a entertainment but I was I think there are a lot of people on the worry me I think read it has a wiring streak through it. Of May nests and if read it was a person on the show I would be friends with it. Well as you read I read it would be a crazy person because of the it's a conglomeration of so many people. Yeah yeah yeah of course the size everything so is Twitter and sorry Facebook and says everything but I don't use that I don't get that same feeling from those Web sites that I get from read it but the other thing is I think this was a lynch mob and I don't know much about this woman you say she was a bad seed. You obviously have some insights into the red at management that I have because I don't know whether it was her that was managing badly it was other things going on I'll take the word for of people who say say I'm not a new into criticising companies as a hoe and was even management teams as to how I don't always like it when individuals get criticized publicly and I feel like this woman has been publicly lynched by over two hundred thousand people and maybe she didn't deserve her job maybe she maybe it was right for her to go but the way in which she's gone makes me feel uncomfortable. Are too uncomfortable two hundred thousand people from a Web site that read it can just suddenly stop or Titian and say we don't like this person and within a few days they go on this she was not a democratically elected later and I feel like she's been publicly lynched and maybe she's the worst C.E.O. In the history of C.S. and Maybe this is the best thing that's ever happened to read it the why the way it is unfolded from someone who has no knowledge of what's going on and is watched as a spectator. Makes me feel bad. I doesn't make me feels like I don't know how to our woods are so sorry for her I don't know enough about her but I just started like this publicly inching I think I think there's a lot of vigilanteism going on on the Internet based eyes and this is what if it was a bit there's a lot in what you're saying the thing that's different about Reddit is that a couple things first month when I say my evaluation of L. and POW it's coming entirely from the thing that she has written like the announcements that she has posted under her name on the website. Fair enough and I don't know how she acted. Inside the company. Yeah I can just know how she acted on Reddit and I would say she was a terrible Reddit User she interacted with the community very poorly and so that's what that's how I am a valuating her because because this is again this is why I read it is so weird because but cry you don't have to be a good car driver to run General Motors you are right your General Motors analogy is perfect I was trying to think of some other C.E.O.'s and their like ability scores we can you Steve Jobs is a historical example of him being very divisive I think a better modern example that came into my head is I don't know his name but the guy who's the C.E.O. Of her right now if think it is broadly fair to say that the C.E.O. Of birth is an abrasive person and that there are lots of people who do not like the C.E.O. Of Hoover for various reasons. Yeah but his situation is different be. Because his company can say Well who gives a crap if people like the C.E.O. or Is he good at running for that's the only relevant question there if I'd like I'm on the board of her and I look at that C.E.O. and I look at the the amazing growth it would burn his had and I look at his his personality my response is what I don't care if he's the meanest jerk in the world from the perspective of a company whose company is doing amazing it's like so keep this guy on board even if he makes ridiculous public statements that are terrible. Making money will silence your critics very quickly. Exactly but the problem with Read it is that read it is not manufacturing anything. Red It's not selling i Phones that people buy red it's not providing services the whole thing that read it has is the audience of people who are there and you can say to a large extent the people are there as a result of the efforts of all of the volunteers we were talking about last time the moderators the people who run the various communities and even in my own small way like I am the moderator on the siege be gray sub read it and so I'm like I'm directing people to that sub read it to have conversations and I interact with the people there you know this in my own small way I'm bringing a little bit of an audience to read it and then you multiply that across the thousands and thousands of sub RADDATZ And that's what the audience is. Yeah so since since for it doesn't sell anything a big part of the C.E.O.'s job is keep the moderators happy so the audience stays here. And that's why if read it has a C.E.O. That is extremely divisive and to me and that the community doesn't like this is a problem in the way that it is not a problem for oh most any other company it Perry says it's a business travel of a Sufi Yes it is a business threat if I'm a board member and I say if people don't like the C.E.O. Of this company it is a it is a problem. One last thing on the popularity issue is that I think it is very interesting that the board appointed Steve Huffman verses there are other obvious choice which is a guy called Alexis Ohanian I never know how to pronounce his last name but Steve and Alexis these guys were the co-founders of read it it's really interesting that I've found read it when it was first announced on Paul Graham's blog talking about these two guys a put together this discussion website why don't you go take a look like way back in the day and Steve adds in at some point. Stephen Alexis both all their shares in the company and they went off to do other things. Steve founded a company which is now called Hipmunk which is the travel search website was very good I really like it and Alexis eventually came back to read it and Alexis has been at Reddit for I don't know the past two or three years I'm not sure exactly on those numbers but the interesting thing is that if you were the board you feel like Oh Alexis is the obvious choice he's well known by the community and he's been working at rather why don't we appoint him is the C.E.O. He's one of the co-founders. But I think the board knew that Alexis has also burned a lot of his credit with the community because he was putting his name on a lot of the same announcements that were causing controversy at Reddit and he also had a remarkable ten year when there were problems going on and I'm everyone keeps posting it all the time but people were asking him you know what what are you one of the highest level people are ready going to do to fix the situation and he was making jokey comments that were saying oh boy I'm just going to take out some popcorn and you didn't watch all this drama. Slink dude jokes about popcorn are totally fine when you're a user but you you sound like you are Nero watching this whole thing burned like it's not funny when you are one of the people who's supposed to be fixing this problem and so I just think that the board made this interesting choice of OK we want to try to have some but someone who has history with this company but we're not going to go with the guy who was the co-founder who's actually been here we're going to go with the guy who's the co-founder who left so I think they're trying to start with as as clean a slate as possible because I think that Alexis has been kind of sullied a little bit by having been at Reddit for the past two years so that's I think that's just interesting that they went was DB over a Lexus That's all I want to say about that he just might read a sound like this kind of childish hive of babies that you Dan not pissed off because they're all this bunch of crazy people that will just carry insane if you make one little moves that don't like it it just sounds unhealthy to make right it doesn't sound healthy I'm sorry it just sounds weird I just doesn't sound like any other business I know that would be so beholden to they say mobile I think part of the problem is just that people are complaining that things haven't been going well I mean this is a small example the the Reddit app that I use which is called a. Elian blew on the i Pad It used to be developed by this just single guy who made it on his own and then read it purchased it I don't know maybe two years ago and since they bought it it basically hasn't been updated. Ever and they fix none of the bugs and that's the kind of thing that just makes people angry when they say OK look someone was just making this great thing and then you purchased it and it seems like it has just died and the similar things with the tools for the moderators having just never been improved over long periods of time so it's not like it's not like people are angry for no reason they're angry because the things that they used to run or view this site have problems and haven't been fixed two people complained about everything people complain about Apple products people complained that Windows is rubbish people are always complaining about everything that's big. Oh yeah but red you don't see quite the same. Repercussions if well two hundred thousand people signed a petition saying that Tim Cook should guy because the apple which is a paper rubbish on a thing at other you think it would even be a ripple on the pond Apple. Well again Apple is not in the same business as read it this is the problem and that the transition cost to going to a Reddit clone is very low if they make and of people angry enough people move to another Web site. Again we talked about this last time I think it is kicking the can down the road for problems. Yeah but it doesn't change the fact that the reason that the C.E.O. Of red it has to be responsive to the community is that it's a it's a fragile thing this episode hello internet has been brought to you by Oracle dot com I'm really into a water bill and I mean I've really gotten back into my audiobooks I'm doing a lot of running. 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I've had enough of that when you talk about the nature of the commenters on Reddit versus the nature of everybody he you're complaining to me that you got piled on on the Read it for your view that free will exists and did not remember complaining to about that I don't actually completely think that's my position either like hosts kind of just arguing with you and put so I just Anyway I have to know when you're talking at me in the hell of it not because you actually think we're three before I start as well about a papal how deny if you have no idea who I am and you just think on this cave man goes on a pod cast with your beloved C G P gray just like the Ten seconds go to lock my website and have a look at what I do for my job because I spent the last ten years pretty much exclusively interviewing physicists and mathematicians and whose scientists unlike. Like every day of my life is just consumed by science and I'm not like some guy who has never heard of quantum mechanics or over a lot of these physics principles and I understand all the arguments and I'm a really big fan of science and I really love or so a lot and doesn't mean that I'm right or wrong about stuff but I just get I'm getting a few quite condescending messages about like not maybe that I don't know anything about science and I don't know I don't have a science degree and I am quite ignorant about lots of things but I'm not like some anti science. Hippy who use like hitchhiking to San Francisco it because I want to go to a music festival. I'm really can shamed by science guy who really loves all this stuff and I'm really familiar with the arguments and also saying Oh have you ever heard of Richard fun and like what we were saying was so obviously inspired by the famous Richard Fineman stuff about a flower that we just didn't say it. Yeah like it's a bit silly it's a bit and it's become a part of the Converse A Yeah. FLOCK like every time we talk about energy mass acquittal it's we don't have to mention that it was on Star and he says he's cracked that not it's just that's like that's a known thing. So anyway so it's a little bit frustrating if anybody anywhere ever references freebooting Now I want you to mention Brady Aaron is the creator of that I hope the time comes where paper like where you don't have to mention Brady hair and he's obviously the father of three they're eating right and everyone will just know character that of if Also if you if you want to never hear a condescending comment again I suggest you never go on the internet again. Good for it I was I saw a like sides very minor criticisms of you saying that you were trying to like Palm awful this famous philosopher as your own life because you didn't cite every single yeah. Idea an argument that you made with like a reference and an attribution to that I thought to be a star. He on that one to say obviously when you see when other of us took a drawing on just all the stuff we've read and heard no other voices so amazing that we're coming up with a letter and new ideas that the what an intellectual life is you read and you think and you accept and you reject what else can there be any way to this is sort of to get back on point then that I was really surprised that I don't know if you you would agree with this but I got the general sense from the read a comment that most of the people in that discussion we're on my side would you say that's a fair assessment. Yeah right I found that really surprising. No I didn't notice no. I enjoy bring up free will as a topic of conversation with people and I am constantly surprised by. How in real life so ho vastly fewer people agree with me that I expect you agree with me I feel like oh I have the obvious obviously correct opinion here. Free will is just an illusion and almost any group setting even when I am so confident that almost everyone around the table will agree with me. Almost everybody doesn't so I was interested in the red to say like oh this is a different demographic because in my normal life I'm like a unlike a crazy person on the street with a sign like the end is near people yeah buddy whatever how in the red it was it just seemed very reverse of my normal experience when I have this conversation with people that say it's funny that you think are mice think like the position you are putting was almost the more cliched position these days. A mug sort of science he's not I think that your position is almost cliche in its sort of everywhere oh where oh predestined and everything's you know already in position and and the the machine just running running its course now it may be the people that you're interacting with but my experience has been even with very science the people there is a I find there's a much smaller percentage of people who take my stance than I expect there would be something that you think that was discussion was so much about free will and that that was really just didn't stick with made a free will stuff report may an author I was more interested in the stuff about beauty and knowledge and whether it's better to know stuff and not nice stuff and the free will stuff was like oh I was really couldn't and then everyone thinks and then I was reading people saying Brady your analogy has nothing at all to do with free will and I'm not I was even talking about free will and I was talking about single that thing they'll We had like three deep philosophical conversations in far too short a period of time that we're not really related to each other I was really where is that when editing at a Lego revocable different cover these and now I tell you what are the thing I come away from from the whole thing the how to cope and I found the comment six or sing a foundry in the car I didn't read most of my found the whole thing exhausting and this is the thing I've realized their own different personality types in the wild. I've learned a certain personality type that has more. Stringent requirements has more is more inflexible when it comes to the use of analogy. Metaphors and things like that I really believe this and I believe you are very much in that category. And there's a few other people a mile of her in that category and I think the people in a sub read or a lot of them are also very much in that category and I'm not in that category and I'm not saying one is right and one is wrong but we're definitely on very different pages when it comes to analogies. Oh yeah yeah without a doubt and it drives me absolutely bonkers I sent you like I sent you a jokey I sent you a joke a little Katerina I made which was of you and I and I know I was saying gee when the first people's land on my this is going to be a moment much like when humans first set foot on the moon and then my Jakey C.D.P. Gray is replying the tell you are nothing alike. Mars is a planet the Marin is a satellite of the earth and the Marin has virtually no was fear and mass does have it I don't know I don't I know this is crazy and I think that's an exaggerated example and of course he would contend to you but the face of the funny thing as I've been thinking about analogies to talk about your difficulty with analogies everytime I think of when I think now that won't work for Greg but because because he can do it you can't do it but you you have very strict you find flaws in them that actually you should be finding you gotta finish a comic story though because you sent me that thing in my media reply with that. Your you trying to write dialogue for me came off of the thing that I would never ever say that I would actually in your comic. Agree with the sentence that you made like I would agree with your position that it's like it's a it's a big thing and you probably know I have yet you trying to imagine what I'm saying. You come up with me arguing against a position where I actually agree with you but you're making my point for me right now. Even when someone is using like a comical something as analogy you take its own literally and you look for like the the truth of little so much that you don't get that it's like an exaggerated situation that would that's not the actual situation that is being used to illustrate a point I understand that it's a common Yeah but seriously still you're arguing with me saying why robot comics all wrong because that's not what I would say it was like a parody it was a joke that was like exaggerating the point another one another way I think about and I've been thinking about this a bit like me a pair of Oakes Yes the masters of ambiguous communication a parable. Exactly exactly the fact that you that's how you describe a parable makes my point for me exactly this if you one thing make sure that your message will be interpreted in a vast variety of different waves. Use a parable. No but that's the problem you see you focus on the wrong things you focus on the wrong points in a parable visit there's a there's a point that's been made and someone's trying to make it and then you're looking at all these other little tensions inside details and drives me bonkers. Draws people because I know now it drives me bonkers to his oath about this and I don't know how you'll react to this. Not well whatever dude. There is a kind of thinking that I really value but that I I don't think I can do very well myself and there's a topic I have later in the show on a few minor get to it today but the release of this which is arguments from first principles I don't think that I'm very good at looking at a problem and then breaking it down into first principles and then trying to build it up from there but I do think that's the best kind of arguments and thinking that can be done and I love that kind of thinking but I often find myself feeling that when I am not able to do that I have to fall back on. Analogies to and if you listen to us. Argue I use analogies as well as in my mind I feel like every time I use an analogy and I'm not doing something from first principles. I have basically failed in arguing and that the analogy is just like a like a drowning man grasping at anything trying to make an argument that's the way I feel about out analogies because whatever what always happens when you argue an analogy that you always end up arguing about the specifics and like where does the analogy breaks down and I just I don't think an analogy there are the are great literary tools but they're not angry have to work for the analogy to break down that it's that's the problem with people on the Internet they think everything is a challenge and a not to be cracked they think anytime someone makes an analogy it's almost a sport of finding the point where the analogy breaks down instead of looking for where an analogy or metaphor breaks down look for the value in it. Take that and discard the rest. Don't you don't always have to be poking and prodding and looking for flaws. An analogy let me talk about beauty for a second. Talk about puberty a lot of people took issue with me saying that I think things can be more beautiful when you turn to know all the details it's going on I was saying the fireman video about flowers being more beautiful when you know the science that's not always true things are always more awesome an amazing when you know everything that's going on but they're not always more beautiful let me use Scarlett you're handsome I for some reason over the time has become a character in Africa. Character in your mind in the pod goes no other thing Audie think are that of a select the wood writers F.A.V. Person but she's a pretty lady and we we've used here in the past as an example of a pretty lady. So we're going to she's going to be our example of a pretty she's going to be after tea lady OK. Scalia Hansen is not looking not looking person she is attractive and considered beautiful to a lot of people yes. Scalia Hanson has like blood and muscle going on she has brown mush going through her intestines that sometimes comes out of her she has sweat accumulating under her pits she has bacteria under her toenails these zero part of her skull that you hence it is but when you start thinking about all that stuff some of that kind of a pretty a nice mess goes away. That's the reality of her and it's amazing she's an amazing machine like all the rest of us with all of this incredible complexity that we should marvel at but it's not really what you want to think about when you want to just admire something for being just pretty and nice and if you think I'm wrong and you think she is more amazing when you think about all those things so she's more pretty when you think about all those things that's fair enough and I respect your opinion and you can take that opinion to the grave but you must realize that that's not the image of her that she used in advertising that's not the image of her that is Patricia in movie posters or in films in the Perry fume T.V. Commercials so you are in the minority if you think that and that doesn't mean you're not entitled to think that that you are in the minority and most people think that Scarlett Johansson is pretty a when you disregard all of the complexity that is going on at that kind of biological price level my statement was that it doesn't detract but that knowing about the thing in more detail doesn't detract from its beauty. Well if my unclear if that included all of that in the ad I mean of course everyone knows she's a human who goes to the toilet but if they included that in the ad I argue it would detract. Yeah but that's because who is not attractive I mean for most people. Thank you to pay basically pay was not expensive sums up my argument and yet and so people are wired. I'm so sorry for the people but yeah go for your brain is it is not attractive and yet it is part of the reality of humans and that's what I'm saying about some of these other things once you know all of the reality the thing can be less attractive it's still more amazing but and too is amazing. But it's not attractive. It's not it's not. Poetically attractive it's not it's just not it's not that nice but the thing that makes the thing that makes Scarlett Johansson attractive. Has nothing to do with those things. That's why knowing about them doesn't attract everything everything about her that makes her attractive to other people is on the outside of her visible on the you know greater than zero. Half a centimeter scale that is the part of her that is attractive physically is not the insides of her intestines if I am on a picnic with someone say my wife and we're having a a remand to moment and a rainbow comes out there and it's just happy it's just a happy nine right if I was to then start describing to have a house a lot was refracting and reflecting through the rain drops and started talking about some of the science and the optics of Rambo Yes I think that would detract from the moment we're having for her OK but we're not talking about does it detract from the beauty of a rainbow. We're now talking about the particulars of what your love which of what your wife likes in a romantic moment. That's two different things. She's a person on the person I'm just saying people people need to understand that. It's good to know everything but when you know everything I think some of the I'm not going to use that and what it because people get really upset about I need to think of a better word no but I know what you mean I know what you mean that the like there is nothing that feel like the word the N. Word is a bad word but yeah I I know what you're talking about but I think this is partly that I'm discussing beauty in a in a more narrow almost definitional way yeah it's prosperous. Was it good. I clear my name on one thing about this free will and then and then we'll move on I did want to clear my name here for all the people in the Reddit who as you were saying were being picky about to see G.P. Gray not know that quantum mechanics exist why does he keep talking about their monistic universe right this is a problem you are having. I didn't take a little moment here for my own gods. Yeah deterministic was not the best word to use because I tend to use this in a in a broader way I used a lot of like how I use magic. Yeah that was this is exactly if I were both taking our turns doing the exact same thing. So I would view something like a set of dice as deterministic in the sense that we might not be able to do to know what number is going to come up when you roll dice but everything there is to know about rolling dice that we know we know the bell curve distribution that seven is what's going to come up the most into and twelve are going to come up the least often that this is known and that everything about dice behavior is described by that situation and so we could very well live and pro most certainly live in a universe where human nature is fundamentally probabilistic because quantum mechanics is probable a stick but that doesn't change the fact that if you if you knew everything about the brain and Adams and everything else you could start drawing bell curves for human activities in the same way that you can draw a bell curve for dice when people talk about still having free will under those circumstances to me it's still just randomness. It's like if you had a self-aware set of dice and you roll them and every time the dice tell you I chose to roll a for this time I chose to roll it. Well this time that I felt like rolling but you know that if you keep rolling those dice It always produces this perfect bell curve like nothing those dice could say could convince me it's making choices when I have a mathematical model that perfectly predicts in a sadistical manner what choices that dice makes So I think that that the most accurate way to describe it might be that humans are shockingly complicated dice that are really good at convincing themselves they're picking the numbers they're rolling. But I don't think that's that's any more free will than if the universe was deterministic in the more narrow sense of it's all cogging yours at the bottom and then and humans and a system that could ever become chaotic it may very well be that on long time scales in the universe it becomes very hard to make predictions but even systems that we traditionally describe as chaotic like the weather is a good example the weather is still bounded by probability curves and this this is still the same thing of sure you can't know what the weather is going to be like three hundred sixty five days from now but you can lay out bell curve to give you the probabilities of what the weather will be within certain ranges it's not going to be twenty million Kelvin and is not going to be zero Kelvin or we get we can bounce what that's going to be and the other problem that I have with this is there's a I don't know how to call it but if I feel there's a bit of a like as Xeno's paradox in free will that sure over long periods of time it's very hard but if you start making the time period shorter and shorter and shorter like the room for free will also decreases because if you can predict very accurately what at what someone is going to do a tenth of a second from now every tenth of a second. Well now you can just pull a that threw over a longer period of time. Yeah and you just keep updating your model with what is the exact situation of the universe right now so that's where it still feels to me like I don't I still don't see where the free will isn't any of this I think is really just like dice in my brain and it feels like free will but it isn't you know how you have to scrape sites in technology and think things are going to be a set and when you talk a lot of a how computers going to be able to do this that and whatnot. Do you have a think that you think corrupted or influenced by that fact you happen to be living at a time of incredible technological advancement because I I was I've got a couple of magazines in my house that were sort of from the fifty's and sixty's and they were written at a time of incredible advancement in human space exploration. When ever been if things were just extraordinary and these things magazines a clot a cause in the talking about what we're going to be doing and am moon bases in nineteen eighty hand how will all be on mass by the intervention and obviously things changed and things have slowed down. Quite a bit from what people thought were going to happen. Your living at a time when computers and technology is going to incredible right are you a bit like the dazzle to journalists who are rotting in those magazines about moon bases and mass bases with all your outlandish predictions for all the things that technology is going to be able to read in the next twenty fifty one hundred years and in a couple of hundred years is a possible something's going to happen like what happened to human space exploration the things that changed and paper going to look back at your videos and your comments in the things you think and think well that's kind of slate and obviously he was a product of the time he was living in but gosh things didn't go that quick things stopped suddenly. Oh yeah yeah I mean we all can't help but be a product of our time the the only thing I'll say about that are two points one. I'm often really frustrated by people going back in time and then finding ridiculous predictions for the future and I think that's a very easy very fun game to play and especially when people play the game where they act as though movies were in the business of making accurate predictions like oh we're supposed to have hoverboard by now where's my her board is twenty fifteen and is twenty fifteen it back to the future like go back to the future wasn't in the job of trying to make any kind of realistic prediction can can you know put a little bit of that of many of these great just a little bit like just sort of a general like cultural thing like no because I'm not interested in what moviegoers think the future is going to be like a much more interested in what do you professionals working in the field. Think is going. Happen and but I'm not the snow at least partly coloured by that I mean yeah in the sense that people who make up stories are influenced by the real world but I'm not going to look at the maker uppers for the predictions. I'm much more interested in what scientists working at the time had to say and they're again one of the clear you find all kinds of crazy predictions there as well but I find that they are often more bounded by reality but you and I have an interest in the space exploration time in very different ways because I I think that a lot of the space exploration stuff was like this amazing anomaly in technological progress in time the happenstance of politics and the happenstance of the level of technology that existed and the economies at the time. Allowed an enormous amount of human time effort and money to be poured into a technology which was not really practical at the time but was still able to achieve results and so that's partly why I think a lot of the will be in space by the two thousand predictions are off because there was there was this weird anomaly occurring Paypal and taking that sort of ski into account. Yeah that there there was like a there was like a future discount bias here something like like where we're massively investing in this and. It turns out that it can't pay off on the time scales that we needed to to keep up this investment for twenty thirty years. Which Which is precisely what we saw happened right funding just as dramatically dropped in general and I think we're getting close now to the time with Space X. and Other projects where we're really beginning to get into the world of space exploration might be with part of called the Jason possible of technologies we have enough other stuff now that makes this easier but we really weren't there at that time and the only I wish I had other comparison the only thing I can think of is this famous story about Richard Fineman was very interested in nanotechnology which is a thing that I was interested in as well in college which is the the technology of building atomic scale machines and he wanted to promote the growth of this field and so he had a competition to create a functioning electric motor that was something like five millimeters in size he wanted someone to be able to make a tiny electric motor as the first step towards nanotechnology and he offered a prize. But the problem was he was thinking that in order to build a motor that that was that small. Someone would need to grow it's like a mold or something you couldn't build this with traditional structures but it turns out that that was just on the scale that precision jewellers with the right magnifying to glasses could actually with the right tools physically constructs and so I think the space race might be something like that where the goal is to get to the moon and in the sixty's we just had the technology to hit that goal but to not hit it in a sustainable way I think O'Mara nice to that that in summary is why I think the predictions were overly optimistic about where will be was based trouble in there and you don't think do you think any of those factors are at play now that I'm making a really optimistic Yes Of So that's that's coming coming back to this is I don't see that same kind of thing what I see instead is massive demand for more computing power at a lower cost. Just from all sections of the economy has massive poll here and so that's why there are also there's also lots of human time effort and resources spent on increasing computing power and all kinds of ways so I think I'm I'm less likely to be wrong about. Increased and accelerating technological change but I'm always open to the possibility that I'm wrong. There may there may be physical boundaries in the structure of the universe that we are unaware of that limit technological progress there's no rule of the universe that says computers will always double in speed you know there may be some some limit that we start pressing up against the totally stopped us it may also be that there are just things that we can't do that humans are not smart enough as a species to accomplish various things I almost think it's a miracle and hunting for that word lightly. How much our monkey brains can do. Here's no reason that monkeys swinging from trees should be able to develop brings a can do calculus it's astounding how pliable the human brain is and it's easy to think oh wow are such an amazing species look how smart we are but there's some limit we're not infinitely smart and so we may run up against just some biological limit of our own smartness even if there isn't a limit in the universe so there are there are ways that this could stop but I I don't see evidence for those limits so for the moment I'm kind of assuming that they don't exist and the route it really is a limit to your snotty this is definitely a limit to my smart and say I think that limit is going down the older I get that feeling. Yeah to fill out I feel dumber than I did years ago I feel like I was smarter do you think your best days are behind you. My best with the days of intellectual worker behind me that's for sure. Maybe not my my best days in terms of enjoyment of life but in terms of raw brain processing ability. Yeah I mean you're you're over the hill it twenty six. Enact in that field you want to be a top physicist I hope you get started soon you know that's a that's a goal there are your best days as a youtube filmmaker behind you I think it's possible that the humans need not apply video might be the high water mark of anything I ever produce. Yeah this is a good idea it's a good video what I'm saying is I would own I don't want that to be the case obviously but I'm open to the possibility that that might be the best thing that I ever make in terms of things that I think are good you know view numbers is a different thing but if I'm looking back on the body of work that I do I can I can imagine on my death bed thinking you know that was probably the best forty years ago when on ever. Everybody has a high water mark some point and you know what it's not the day before you die. Usually the house you're very unlucky. Yeah yeah what about your your your best video making days ahead of you breeding I mean your way older than me I think. The amount of time I have is what dictates what I make and how good what I make is more than more than my abilities and I think on the Kola I'm really busy at the moment and I have so much today and sometimes that means I can spend as long and making things good or thinking about a creative way to do it and I think if I was able to carve out some time here and there I could still make some pretty some pretty great things some things that are better them of night before but as as you get out or New get more responsibilities and loss finding that time becomes hada I don't think my brain's not capable of a little odd so I'm just finding out how to find the time. Well maybe I need more time maybe that maybe that is part of getting out and I am here is the thing is that you're missing out on time or finding it harder finding it harder to find time is part of getting old but your audience in many ways is is an interest in the particulars of your life you are a black box that produces videos and whether it's time or your intellectual capability or your interest or whatever it is the internal workings of the black box. People aren't interested in so do you think that the black box that is Brady Herrin will produce better work in the future than it has in the past. Whatever the constraints are the people don't care about yes I had to and the reason for that is I think my Shia processing power and my C.P.U. Is not the be all and end all of how good the stuff I create is and in fact it's not. That important and and I really big factor in how good the stuff I make is and I think this is true feel as well that you didn't touch on it is actually experience and I think as I get more and more experienced I'm able to bring that experience to bear to make my work better. So although I might not have the the ship brute power in my head that I used to have I think I've got a lot more experience of what works and doesn't work and short cuts and things I can do to make things good and I hope I would bring that experience to bear a few more times with the limited C.P.U. I have left. Write something better than what came before. OK so we're drawing a formula on the board here we're going to assume that the amount of time that you have vailable as constant your brain function is obviously going down because we're all stepping towards the grave every day. Yeah but that the experience function is greater for some period of time than the decrease in brain yeah yeah I think carries a bit more of a whiting to again obviously it's not infinite because you're not doesn't help you when you're eighty. Because then the brain is just a cave too much. Yeah yeah there is that there is that there is a crossover I don't think I don't think I don't think I've hit it yet you don't think that area we're very optimistic guy yeah but I think I think the shaming time will be constant was a big assumption. Yeah it is it is so you get you get you know more experience but maybe spend more time on things. OK I look forward to your future I mean they work this episode of hello internet is also brought to you by Squarespace in more than one way. 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Squarespace build it beautiful you know just then just just while we've been recording periodic video has passed one hundred million a congratulations. Thinking this was a cheesy or pod cast I would add it in. Applause right now but I'm not going to do that I actually forgot to tell you this something I something I just received a couple of days ago that you will find completely pointless paper interesting you know how you get a gold button when you get a million subscribers we have discussed this on the park and we have to SCOTUS this is that this is an overpriced stick through there is a there is a there is a less a Nobel Prize. Oh yeah doesn't get that doesn't get as much publicity but when you get to one hundred thousand subscribers on a channel you are supposed to get this small a silver button I never got it and obviously you never got it you said you haven't even got your code than you have I never even heard about this must have been implanted after no roster over the hundred I'm not sure that's the case but anyway I got in touch with each of the other day because I actually have five channels with over one hundred thousand subscribers so I got in touch with each of the other day and said You know I never got SUV about NS Looking for a little glib for my trophy room just sort of to sit number shows at the moment caught by foot five silver buttons. And I don't know if I should be saying is because my plan was actually to just give them to the different departments and the different people have collaborated with me as a Little things to put on their wall but before I did there are so I'll get them all out of their boxes and take a picture of the motor gather in one place because just to document the moment I wrote together and I have to say when they were all in a row they look Conan us then and I'm nothing can they be actually keep pace myself you're going to keep them put them up on the wall I don't think OK but they do that nice is a little collection. Jim a photo can you send me a picture. The picture. I'll put on a picture on the show you know they have a seat at the picture now so you can let people couldn't hear your reaction to I don't even need to see it I'm sure it's lovely. Well too bad you say in the like Audrey photos I notice I'm cute but I'm going to get it I'm actually having to scroll through about ninety or a few photos to find about THINK I'M SO I know every time we're in person and you want to show me anything on your phone it's just there's a wall of beige that you're scrolling through find the non-base photo of a thing or I'm going to send to a person who might be a funny story I am a guy I have to say you have all five of these above this photo fireplace in your office. Thirty forty foot up like this in actual fact but boarded up it's not functioning anymore I'm not sure I can see it that is boarded up. No You know you can see that if I can I'm looking I'm looking at the bottom of it right now you couldn't put a you couldn't put firewood in there you don't have an open flew Gray the bottom of the fireplace is not in that fighter has another three fate and and they thought what you're looking at there that's just the times that go across the top of the fireplace. Look board up to me. Grow I send you a fighter and I don't and you can apologize and anyway in the meantime I'm looking at your five What is the fourth for deep guy videos number file computer file periodic videos and sixty symbols all of hundred thousand Yeah it looks glorious as those five across the top of the fireplace. Do you like I do I think that looks good I think you should keep them I didn't think you'd say that I think it looks good. They're just the perfect length for the fireplace I think you should I'm not going to put them there and I do not put them not to touch them to the wall. OK if you put them right above the fireplace because if you just put them somewhere else and whatever then I don't care what you do with them but they look lorries in that spot will say Oh sorry let me tell you about this funny thing that happened to me if I can find it. It's today with the way I miss situ it's on your mac I don't know what the solution is but I very often find hard to know who are messaging and because things just flipped on their own and sometimes I think a message in one person and I'm messaging another person you know obviously you know you send the wrong message to the wrong person. We've all been there you've been there you've done to me. Everything everybody has done this because especially on the Mac. I message rearrange is the location of where everybody is near little sidebar depending on whose message recently at I did discover because I was complaining about on Twitter that if you double click on someone's picture on i Message it'll pop them out in a little window on the side and that's helpful but you also don't you know I find if two people are messaging me at one time my brain is going to explode. Yaz and it's hard to know how long you're going to talk to people for to pull them out like when is it worth doing this it's it's frustrating it's frustrating. So yes it's very young the nicest to send a message to the wrong person I had a good one the other day it was around the time of my birthday and I was messaging my mother in law and I believe it was destiny and I was a mailing destine about some contract don't document I head and he was asking me if some wording had been changed in this contract and I was basically saying to him I haven't I haven't even read it but I doubt it will have been changed and I think it will be the same as all the other previous drafts. And at the same time I had just that day received a birthday card from my mother in law and I had like a picture of someone playing cricket on the front so I want to thank for it. Sigh i sent this side this is the I sent this message to my mother nor sank thank you very much for my lovely cricket caught from Brady and then the next message I sent to her as well which was meant to be to Destine said I honestly haven't looked at it but I'm sure it won't be different from any of the others. Oh and it was such a perfect follow on thanks so much. I haven't looked at it won't be different from what it was such if I had to fight her immediately to explain before she read it. Saying you're about to say the rudest text message keep it misstated your dad is bad that is that is bad in a spectacular alignment of us nice it was nice so I did want to share that one so that was that was one of those ones that just the stars lined up she thought it was hilarious. Did she though. Yes she did she did. Cannot talk about swear words you want you want to jump to this we should never do this before we started recording I said I really want to make sure we recorded short episode because we are recording this way early because I'm about to be traveling and less available probably for scheduling than a normal yam so that I and so I thought oh I don't mind of this one is shorter so I can get out sooner and will be less work and yeah we technically have not gotten out of follow up yet we know you're going to have you're going to back to cut you're going to have to cut so much from that read a section. Yes I read it and excellence. Yeah and so much from whatever came after that there's been so much stuff you're going to have to cut that we're probably only twenty minutes into the pocket book just yet but I am wondering about the same thing I am aware that this is a pod cast it is going to be extra cut so I manned up in the situation with the worst of everything we recorded for a long time. Creatures coming to that end up with me having a huge editing job that also results in the podcast being way shorter than normal so I don't know when we can stop talking let me let me talk about swearing I uploaded the video the other day. And in it I had this colorful character this guy into and he was being O'Flynn buoyant interesting and at one point he said Hot damn like an erratic cited what he was getting at something to play with and he was so excited about what hot day M. and Then he continued with his conversation and when I was editing at I did for half a second think Hot damn and I thought Now I he said he knew the cameras rolling it's fun it's funny I don't think that's an offensive word people know that I don't swear but but they also know I have my definition of swear words in the often say these words and people who thought you didn't but you said. Ex-wives it. Yeah I don't consider damn swear word so I left in the video and then I got an e-mail from a I wish I could fall in the now it was a really nice same hour and it was really well written but I can't find it by searching for the word damn. Because this person was so offended by the word damn they didn't you say if it didn't include it in their Hema and I can't remember the other words they used the anyway they said I shouldn't have left it in and teaches play these videos to kids it's cetera et cetera and I was like that's interesting how we really are what was your reaction to that. Well my reaction was I went to Twitter and smarter to follow as if they think is an offensive word and I would say. To the majority feeling was it's maybe a one out of ten very very mild another problem a couple paper said I thought it was offensive as a lot of people said no offense even in the slightest. Some people had very very mild not a problem. I basically right back to the the person who wrote The man said to have thank you very much. I sent her a link to the Twitter compensation I said I think you might find is interesting I was a city where there's a fist and word to some freaky language in it because as you can imagine some J.T. People might seem pretty funny plus but it just got me thinking about the world and I wonder where you stand on the word how do you feel about it. Well first I did a very similar thing to you on one of my videos a while back to the one where I was talking about how to become the British monarch this is around the time of the first royal baby was going to be born yet and I did this for a word which I thought was so mild but I was aware that this was a video that might be being shown in primary schools in the U.K. Because it was a you know this topic which is going around at the time. Yeah and I know for a fact it was shown in a bunch of primary schools but I had the word bastard in their one point yet because one of the rules is don't be a bastard. Yeah and it was the same thing of hesitating over this and I thought let me check with Twitter just to see what people's reactions are to the S. and It was about the same thing maybe one in ten and most people thought it was it was fine and I left it in because it just works way better in the scripts than trying to write around it so I too have done this this dipstick into the current of the Internet. I want people think about this word what if you did you did you was before the video I did not afterwards I please Demi and in the category of so mild it never really crosses my attention yeah but the problem with these words and the problems lots of things is that different people take it very differently and so there does seem to be a group of people who regard it as much more serious than I do. Yeah but before I say what I'm about to say I want to make it really clear that I am one hundred percent behind your policy of having a list of words you don't want to say and not saying that I fully support that and the totally reasonable position for anyone to take. OK well not everything accurately. Yeah OK OK Go ahead you want to do you want to try to rephrase it. Disk Well I just there is a list of words I don't say but not because I think it would be wrong to say them I just as I said before I just do it because it's like a weird straight can now I didn't say it because you thought the wrong I did you have a list that you don't say OK it's just like a game but a snotty Yeah yeah yeah but I am aware that you don't think that they're wrong and that's all that's also why I can without any problem. Back your position I care but I just don't want people to start thinking they were having some kind of argument here we're not OK but because we can have a day that we never argue with we haven't had a prizing least serious intense conversation this time this is going to become actively cut down from its down for later. I hope you've enjoyed the forty third and final episode airs that's how I wanted it was great but we now have irreconcilable differences I have this feeling about curse words which I have tried to express some time but has not been received well which is that it's the people who react strongly to curse words that give those curse words their power the words would have no power at all were it not for the reactions of people to them when I see people kicking up a fuss about a word that is let's say by broad general consensus not a strong curse word this is just like the mean thing you are the one who is making this word works the more of a fuss you kick it up you are making it stronger if you cared less you would make it weaker and people seem to get angry about this when when I discussed is also hypocritical alert here. I bleep some curse words on the spot cast and another word what's the because you're in play ping married what's the most offensive word you're willing to say at last. Well the problem is it is also being recorded right. Orrible things are going I don't want of belief so those two are the terrorists you say even knowing they'll be faked knowing the B.B. and I think we can we can use we can use is the king of curse word. Using occurs where there is is fair just to use as an example of a pure curse word the I kind of I went even say that word right. Although I could I could I could go and and you're right you could join them together and put a break between them and make it right and like I said I could do that you want to get a little closer together to make it easier for me now you don't do you get a little too close to your boundaries you know my wife would love if I swore she thought she would like she always asks me to swear like is a trait like she was going to say it once just from Maine she gets all excited and then I'm not not who's not do it. She's on the go on maybe like one day like as a birthday present I would do it and even though we're talking many more so in order to avoid people thinking that I'm being hypocritical here. Yep I believe those words yet for two reasons. Yet one of which is that to be on the i Tunes store you don't want to have to mark the pod cast as explicit yet which which seems to get zero is the pod casts to some extent yeah now when I first started the pod cast I was trying to find the list of banned words from Apple just so I could know I quote What does Apple think the boundaries are and there is no lest they just have a nice vague sounding explicit words are not allowed so they leave it to the judgment of the pod cast. Hosts and the complaints of the masses I guess this is yeah this is what's occurring here. So there wasn't an explicit list but even if Apple said oh we're not going to mark explicit podcast we don't care just upload whatever I would still bleep in it and all these things. That's that's going to they tape it but I don't know how hard that up but I would still bleep these words because bleeping is funnier. Yeah it's the way funnier when something is bleeped than if it's not pleased. Yeah but you can place someone going hot damn. Yeah but then you just look like an eighty it's you know it's like the biggest proof of yeah you look like a prude and it's it's not funny and I think I think. Bleeping damn falls into that category of what's it's not funny at all but but this sound with the belief is like it's just funny. There's no way around that and so I would totally believe it even if I didn't have to do so that's why it's just trying to get around it like that's why it bleeped for comedy comedy just for comedy value the podcast The job of the bad guys is to be something that people want to listen to and I think it being funny or make people want to listen to it more. But but so but so my my general feeling about this then is with the curse words it is people's very reactions that give them their power just think about this that I like the thing that happens with little kids is that little kids at some point figure out curse words. Yeah but if you imagine a little kid who figures out a curse word and when they start saying them all of the adults in their vicinity just don't respond they just pretend like this this has no impact on them do you think the kids would still be as drawn to curse words now. Yeah this is just this is just like. Banning anything you go oh I didn't care before but now Lou how this is so attractive now that it's been banned you know I'm a I'm a little kid in the only thing I have to do is make a certain series of sounds with my mouth that are totally arbitrary and all of the really all of the adults around me their their butt cheeks clench and they draw in their breath and it's it's like amazing and so that's why the whole power in any curse word comes from people's reactions and I tend to get frustrated with sensor police and I get frustrated with those comments against you in the red it were people I can't believe Brady said this word I thought there was a curse word to let it go if you if you this word bothers you so much the best thing that you can do is to not publicly and constantly tell everybody how much it bothers you. Yeah I mean I don't want people calling me on it because we want to discuss that I didn't say carrots which I carry one little I'd make that confused night in particular if I have those precious there could be. Let me tell you let me tell you a story from my past if you're if you're willing that stress and that part café I think you get bored I promise this is a story that involves people usually think it right or as great as there's not room for two guys is boring and there might not be go out OK so when I was when I was in college one of the physics professors happened to have two young boys in about a needle school age maybe maybe slightly younger let's say around you know. Eight and twelve somewhere in that range and this professor did not like cursing just yet is totally fine but he did a thing that I always wished he didn't which was before he came into the labs he would have his boys wait outside and he would come in and he would tell us. I'm about to bring my boys into the lab. Please don't curse or say rude things around them and I wish he didn't do that because just again normal civil society if kids are around I'm much less likely to curse if there are children around. Yeah but it's like you've planted the idea of saying horrible things around kids in my mind in this in this way that is just has now made it just irresistibly attractive and so I would normally just not think about it much you know that my brain would just kick in and he'd sense yourself down because their kids in the room that's just what you do but when you come in an excess rest we tell me I'm not allowed to say bad things around your children. I'm just dying to say bad things around your children and I just can't resist and I knew I definitely had things slip in a way that I never would have if he had just not said anything if he just brought the kids in the room. Gray do you know what this you know this is what it's even know what a got to have it for you kind of are going to believe you know the third no secret I'm bleeping than from here on out it's just three. I almost think that the that little example is like a microcosm of the broader societal reaction to this stuff and. That's why I think it's it is people's reactions that give that give curse words their powers and they don't have a home have anything intrinsic in themselves they are just they're just words but you know you're using you're using here as things sample which we sort of touched upon for the fog and I've often thought you know what the Internet should do just to prove my point is make a campaign about overreacting on purpose to a word and he is an excellent choice of a word because we be tension really have cultural differences and misunderstandings here and it's like it's like a word that might be slightly on the edge and so if everybody started vastly over reacting to some kind of shockingly dirty sexual word that reaction right if people did that consistently you could make the word forbid right. You've Yeah you could do that I'm all for changing changing words like the word gay you know it really change didn't used from one thing to another. Yeah I know. That's changed the words definitely change but I think is a great one because it's just it would demonstrate that the point and it's just so pointless. Already so pointless to do it but like I have a little bit of that reaction every time you say the word. This pod cast is but a perfect example why have you said it so many times during this recording. Precisely because every time you say it I'm creeped out this is this is going to be this is going to be my candidate for vast overreaction I was previously trying to think of something else in the closest I came up with was douche bag might be a good candidate as well for that asked photo over reaction by people and then you can just demonstrate that you can turn a relatively mild word into some kind of terrible word thinking is funnier to do before we before we step into have the word the band could kill Rico this that you have to say. How the Grinch that forty three. Maybe maybe break thank you and.

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