| I just want to apologise to everyone in advance. If you hear any licking in the background, that is my dog licking and it's not me licking myself. I have a strict policy of not licking myself during the podcast. You're not going to believe what I have to do. What do you have to do? I'm going to lean over and pick up a baseball bat because my tiny chihuahua, which is the smallest creature in the world, as you know, is snoring so loudly that I'm worried it's going to ruin our recording. But I can't reach her where I am. So I'm going to get my baseball bat. So I can just occasionally prod her when her snores get too loud. Is that cool? That is cool because I did hear a strange sound on this end that I assumed was the wind howling by your office. No, it's a snoring chihuahua. So I'm not... Now, just to be clear, I'm not hitting a chihuahua with the baseball bat. I'm just going to gently nudge her. You're hitting her with the baseball bat? No, that's not happening. But hang on, I'm going to get it, hang on. LAUGHTER Audrey, you're embarrassing me. Now I can reach her and just give her a little, little love tip on the bum so she knows that... knows that I'm on the case. What conclusion is she going to draw from being bumped with your baseball bat? I think I'm just going to wake her up. Yeah, that's... Well, then she'll stop snoring. That's what my wife does to me. Oh yeah. When this loud caveman snores in the bedroom, she just hits you with the baseball bat and you stop. Well, she'd love to do that. LAUGHTER What have we got next? We actually have some indirect follow-up from Hank Green, who we mentioned he interviewed the president... Of the United States, yes. Yes, of the United States. I made an off-handed remark when we were talking about this, how I would not want to use the historical desk that's in the Oval Office that I would find that stressful and unpleasant. And that would be one of my first things is to bring in a new desk. And Hank tweeted us and said that there is a study off of the Oval Office that the president often uses. That's famous. That's where Bill Clinton got up to his shenanigans with Monaco Lewinsky. I never knew this thing existed. I never... This never even crossed my mind. Oh, I knew about that. Oh, well, I'm terribly sorry that I did not know about this. I thought this was... I felt like this was an interesting piece of trivia. I've not seen a picture of it, though. Have you got... That link, if you click that link in the show notes, there are a bunch... They're not adequate pictures. I want to lay out a floor layout. It's very hard to get a sense of these places unless I can see a floor plan. But there are just a couple of pictures of presidents current and past in this study that's off on the side. It looks like it's a very tiny apartment with a little kitchen and a little office. It looks like the crummyest little room. Ever. My office is nicer than that room. This looks like the worst motel in the world. Yeah. For the president's office, it just looks terrible if that's actually where the president spends a lot of their time working. That is totally the fall-around with the intern rooms, isn't it? I guess so. Apparently, you know the news about it. We'll put it in the show notes. People can take a look. It is shockingly unimpressive the president's study, which is off of the Oval Office. But thanks to Hank Green, I learned that new fact, but you already know this because you're just great, I guess. They never have that office in the West Wing, actually. The TV show, though. That's interesting. I know the West Wing and the West Wing isn't the West Wing, but... Yeah, the West Wing wasn't real if that's what you're saying. No, but also the layout was different to the actual West Wing, because you can look on the internet and look at maps that compare the TV show West Wing with the real West Wing to see how the layout is different. Oh, yeah. I'm fascinated by the White House and the US presidency. I could... The apparently. Stuff like this I could look at all day. I find it really interesting. Do you have any good White House trivia facts right now? I don't know, I haven't really prepared for it, so I have to... Yeah, but we don't prepare for this podcast. That's why I was just curious. Off the top of your head, if there's anything that you know. No, nothing's springing to mind. Nothing's springing to mind. I just love looking at pictures like, you know, pictures like this and stuff. You must know if you love the White House stuff, but the picture that I love is the one of the White House having been gutted on the inside. Do you know this picture? It is ringing a bell, but it's not leaping into my head. I have read about, you know, because I like reading about what president just do what president change what. I'll send this to you when I message. Okay. Boop. There we go, sent on I message. This picture I think is amazing. They've literally gutted the entire interior of the White House. They only left the facade, the exterior, and they redid absolutely everything in the middle. So you think of the White House. Oh, this historic building. It's been around forever. Well, the shell of it has been around forever, but the actual inside is on a historical scale, relatively new. That picture is awesome, man. That picture is awesome. That would be a cool picture to post and just say, can you guess where this is? And I bet no one would say in the White House except you and everyone who has seen it. So this doesn't look familiar to you. I'm disappointed then. And you're obsession with the White House to not know that all of it is new from the Truman administration. Well, I'm more of a West Wing kind of guy. You're into the residents. I like to know, I'm wondering where the action's happening, you know. You can keep all your posi resident stuff for yourself. Can I just say about this desk thing? Because I was thinking a bit about that. Hang on, Audrey's gonna get the baseball bat. She's looking. You're so red. This is so bad. About this desk thing. Yeah. I don't agree with your policy of not using it because like if you are the president, you become part of the history of that desk and you using it is part of the goodness of it. And like, you know, if you spill your coffee on it or scratch it or whatever, you know, you're adding to it's story. Like, you know, if you become president, you're so awesome that you should be using that desk and adding to it's awesome history. You shouldn't feel like some visitor who's not allowed to touch it because the other presidents before you were more important and you're like a, you know, a nobody. You're the president, man. Put your feet up on that thing. Scratch it and add to it. Make your mark. I guess I would be okay with that if there must be some kind of archivist or something who handles all these objects at the White House. This has to be somebody's job. Like the people who were in charge of all of the special objects down in Alabama when we went there and saw the, at the Space Center. So there's someone at the White House who has to be in charge of these things. I would have to get the permission of that person for them to say, like, listen, it would be okay if I, not on purpose, not on purpose, but just through accident or carelessness totally trashed this desk. Just made it unusable for the next president. Is that, would that be fine with you? And if, and of course they would look at me with a horrified face and say, no, that would not be okay if you were the last president to use this desk, then I feel like I couldn't, I couldn't use it. You're not gonna, what are you gonna do to totally trash it? Obviously you're not gonna go in there with an axe and smash it to pieces. The worst you're gonna do is spill something on it. That's not gonna trash it. And remember, you're the president. So when you go down to this person in the archive, this underling who's got this job, you're walking in as the newly elected president, you're the one calling the shots. And these matters is a bit like Star Trek and the doctor having authority over the captain in some situations. I think whoever is in charge of the historical objects at the White House should have authority over the president in the preservation of some of those objects. The president shouldn't just be able to say, yeah, I wanna throw out all this stuff. Let's just get rid of that. Portrait of George Washington. Right. So I don't like you saying stuff. Yeah, exactly. Or I'm going to burn it because I'm the president, right? I just want to feel the exhilaration of just being able to destroy it just because. I'm gonna burn all images of all previous presidents so that I'm the only picture here in the White House. Yeah. So I think that the archivist should have authority in these matters. So in the succession, like the power thing, president, vice president, going down the list, the person who looks after the paintings is actually at the top of that list. With regard to the paintings, yes. That that person cannot be overruled. But they can't like, you know, no one's nuclear missiles or anything. No, they can't. They can't. They could only preserve historical nuclear missiles, I guess. I don't know how that would work. I just, I feel like I would want freedom to not have to worry in the slightest, to never even have to be concerned the tiniest bit about what's happening to this desk if I'm accidentally scratching it up or whatever. I just, I don't want to have that on my mind at all. Great. If you are ever in charge of running the entire United States of America, I hope that the condition of the desk is not your number one priority. Then actually, well, if I'm working at that desk, the desk that I'm working at would be number one priority because everything else would flow from the desk and the decisions that are made there. This is the other problem I have with the presidential desk. I don't think it looks very comfortable, very usable. It looks a little small. I like it. I think it looks good. Let me pull up a picture of it right now. This is what's at code. The reds, the resolute desk. Is that the one? That sounds right. There's a loot desk. Great. While you look that up, I'm gonna evict Audrey because she's making so much noise. She's gonna leave. I did just hear that. That was quite a lot. She's going. She's going. Hang on. Come on. Sin bin. Where are you? Lolo, you go to because I'm a keeper company. Come on. All right, I'm back, great. Did you chase them out with baseball bands? No, no. They're very good girls. They did what they would tell them. Have you found that desk? What's going on? I was just pulling it up here. I did find the desk. It's bigger than I was thinking it was. It's bigger than I was thinking it was. But I'm picky about this kind of stuff. I just feel like, no. Does it? OK, now you're just teasing me. But it's important. Like the surface of the desk matters. It can't have any give. It looks like that surface might have a little bit of give to it. The desk can't have the slightest bit of wobble, even the tiniest bit of wobble or unevenness is no good just distracting. Drought it crazy all day. How much desk time do you think the president has, though, in terms of working at a desk? I mean, surely it's all meetings and talking and... It's all walk-and-talk, right? That's what you learned from the West Wing. All walk-and-talk. I don't think you'd spend... It's not like you're going to be sitting there editing a video. You're going to be meeting with the joint chiefs and then you're going to be meeting with the agriculture secretary and then you're going to be doing this and having this briefing and then shaking hands. I don't think you're going to be sitting at your desk a whole lot. I imagine you do a lot of reading, but you could do that on a sofa. Hmm. Do all those people come to you, though? I mean, I figured you're the president. You're not wandering around and having to track down the agriculture secretary. Yeah, of course. But the desk isn't going to matter much when you're sitting talking to someone. It's not going to matter, you know, how stable your arm is for writing when you're talking to someone, though. You're probably going to sit on the sofa or opposite them or in a chair or, you know, you could have your feet up on the desk while you're talking to them, but I don't think, you know, I don't think you need to worry about it so much as a workspace. I think you're right. My image of the president is probably not correct. Partly because the kind of job that requires you to be talking all day long to other people is just so horrifying. I refuse to consider it in its entirety. Yeah, you'd become president. I just luck yourself in the office and run the country by email for eight years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just, yeah, having to negotiate with it, it just, I can't imagine a job I would like less than being the president. It just, it just sounds awful. It just sounds absolutely awful. I think you're right, though. I think you're right. Maybe the desk matters much less. It's there to be impressive. You got another thing here. iPhone follow up. The people's favorite. Not divisive at all when we talk about iPhones. We don't hear from all the people who totally hate it. But we're going to hear everyone. Everybody loves iPhone talk. You were just mentioning to me we were chatting the other day about how, how long has it been that you've had your phone a couple of months now? I have no sense of time with these things. No, I don't know. Probably a couple of months. I've had it here. I've got an iPhone six. And you were complaining to me, were you not that you're still just totally unsatisfied with the size? Is that so? I would almost go so far as to say, I dislike it. Like I have a grudge against it now. Oh, yeah? I thought, you know, oh, nobody likes change. And I'll get used to it. And the time will come that I couldn't possibly go back. And you know, I'll change my usage habits and things. But it just causes me nothing but problems this big of phone. I'm still, I'm still not used to it. I almost dislike getting it out to use it. Like it is an unpleasurable experience. And it's beginning to become like a thorn in my side. That sounds pretty serious. I know this is, you know, first world problems and, you know, people are starving to death and things like that. And I shouldn't be complaining about my iPhone. But that's all I've got to complain about at the moment. And... But did you also not say to me that you will almost certainly just buy the same size again? Yeah, I can't. Only because. Only because I'm so convinced that when they do another round of iPhones, they won't make a smaller one. That's as bad that has the powers of the bigger one. And I just find it hard to drop the powers, you know? I can't imagine not having the high, the highest spec. If they made somehow made like a 5S with, you know, big beefed up memory and most of the same capabilities within reason, I know they couldn't, I know battery life would obviously be a problem. But if they would just do that, I'd almost do it now. I'd almost, I'd almost buy the smaller one now. That's how much I'm disliking it. I'm always pressing the wrong things. And but also it's made me like, I don't know if it's because of the size, but when I used to my 5S, I was really fast at everything and I could do everything quickly. And, you know, I could call up and maps and look for things and that. And when I pull this one out now, I feel like I'm like a, like a grandpa using a phone and even things I used to know how to do. I can't do quickly anymore. And I'm like, oh, what do I press and where is it? And what do I do? I feel like, I feel like an idiot now. And it's all since I got this big a phone, which I find really hard to use. I'm still having to double tap to bring icons down to where I can reach them. And it's just, it's rubbish. Sorry, sorry, that's enough. I've said enough. You can always complain to me about your iPhone any time that you want. Yeah, okay. I don't think I mentioned this on this podcast, but do you, I forget, you use a case on your phone? I have got a case on it, yeah. Okay. I have a recommendation that I'm going to make very strongly to you, which I got from MKBHD on YouTube, who does all these great tech reviews. Really like, I watch his Apple stuff and I think his iPhone 6 review was by far and away the best. It was just like really clear user-focused reviews on YouTube. It's good stuff. But he recommended to me a thing, which I was like, no, I'm never, I would not use that. I would hate that, but he was totally right. And it is not an iPhone case, but an iPhone skin. It almost feels like plastic, but it is this very thin layer that is the shape of the back of your phone. It's not sticky at all until you heat it. And then when you heat it, it grips the phone really tightly. And what it ends up doing is giving you a kind of frictional surface on the back and the round edges of the phone. And I would have never thought that I'd be the kind of person who would like this. And I totally love it. Because it pulls in the size of the phone by just a couple of millimeters, which makes a big difference to me. Like the little bit of thickness of the case is enough to be frustrating. Could you tell me on a previous podcast, you went caseless and thought that was better? Well, that's exactly right. I was going caseless with the phone, but then I had this different problem, which like you, I was like, God, I heat you phone. I heat you so much because they made you a little too big and they also made you out of apparently a material that has a coefficient of static friction of just zero. Right? This is this frictionless surface that I was constantly drawn. I would find myself just sitting in bed or something, holding the phone and it would just fall out of my hands. And I would feel like an idiot. I'm sorry. Yeah. How did I, I'm just sitting here? Nothing's happening. And I still, I'm unable to hold on to it somehow. So I totally love this skin that goes around the outside and it, I still don't like the size of the phone, but I feel like, okay, this is getting closer to a thing that is kind of usable. So I would highly recommend it to you. I'll put a link in the show notes to people want to check out these skins. I really like it. But here's the other thing I was thinking of. I had this crazy thought all of a sudden. So I was looking at this stupid iPhone 6 and just like you, I find myself wondering about are they going to make a smaller one? Will I even be able to buy a smaller one because I don't like the size either? But I'm really aware looking at this thing that's like, man, if you could just shave a few more millimeters here and there and all the rest of it, it would be better. And I thought, huh, actually, if you look at the phone and you just, and you just look at the size of the screen, you don't, you don't look at the size of the phone that's around it. I thought, huh, that screen size actually looks really great because I was wondering, who the hell in Apple was the person who was testing all of these different sizes and thought, yeah, that's the one to go with. Because I haven't heard anybody say that they like it. Everybody says the exact same thing. It's a little too big. I've never heard anybody be like, oh, yeah, sold, it's great. Talked to my wife, she still loves it anyway. Oh, that's right, yeah, that's so sorry. We have one person who does love it. Yeah. But what I, so what occurred to me was like, huh, maybe, this is one of these cases where Apple is thinking about what is the phone going to be a couple generations from now. And I thought boy, if they can really pull in the bezel, especially the thing on the bottom, which takes up a lot of space, I feel like that would, that would really make the phone much, much better. Because I look at when I hold it and I'm trying to reach the top and I can't quite get those top icons. It's the bottom bezel that's causing a lot of that problem of not being able to reach up all the way up to the top. So if I could actually just hold an object that was almost exactly the size of the screen, that would be way better. So this is my crazy thought is that maybe Apple is going to try to get rid of the bezels on the top and the bottom as much as they can so that the phone really becomes like just the size of the screen. And the thing that was making me wonder about this, this is the piece that was missing is that in the Apple Watch, one of the things they have are like is a pressure sensitive screen, which is new and different. So it doesn't just tell when you touch it, it tells when you press on it. And I thought, oh, maybe in a couple generations, they won't need that button on the bottom. If instead there's a region on the screen that can tell when you press it instead of just touching it. So that could be like the home button. This is just like wild eye speculation. But I'm just trying to give myself hope for the future, I guess, that if they don't make a small phone, then maybe it'll be okay someday, because I can't live like this for the rest of my life. I tell you what, great. If someone banned wild speculation about future Apple products, I don't know what podcast I listen to. So the final thing on my list is just a million people sent this to me is a link to the Canadian passport. Can you open up this link on your side? I can, I am doing so now. Here it comes. And it is an article about things that the newest version of the Canadian passport. And this is somewhat follow up because last time we were talking about Norway's passport, which I very much liked the design of. And they had a cool security feature about how the scene changes if you put it under a black light. And it looks like the Canadian passport has gone all in on this black light technology. They've like, they've learned how to do it. And they've just gone, we're going crazy man. What else can we do? Every page of the Canadian passport, it has some sedude picture on it. And you put it under the black light. And then suddenly it's, there's maple leaves and fireworks and explosions everywhere. I think if the regular pictures weren't so sedate, I'm not quite sure how I would feel about this. But I love, there's one which is almost like the America passport because there's a picture of like a train and some oil pipelines in the background. And you put it under the black light. And suddenly there's a grain in the front and clouds and birds flying across the sky. It's like I could see this being in the America passport almost. But it is definitely fun to look at, to see the difference in the scenes under the black light versus not under the black light. I don't approve of it. Oh yeah. No, I think it's tacky. I know you only see it under black light, but just because the thing that shows up under black light could be cool too. And I think some of these are a bit, I'm not cool with it. Sorry Canadians, because I know how proud you are of your country and stuff. And you're not good people to say that about. But I don't like what you've done here. So on the other one, it was cool. What was it? Was it Norway? Yeah, it was Norway. This was kind of cool because it was a roarer and stuff like that. And it almost like it was switching to nighttime and stuff. Yeah, it was definitely, it was the roar at nighttime. It looked, the Norway one was undoubtedly beautiful. That's why I keep using the word fun here. I feel like this is fun and kind of crazy and I'll let it slide. But if the passport looked like this, just in general, it'd be terrible. It'd be just awful. But it is a little bit like someone figured out how to do the black light technology and Norway did it first and did it subtly. And then Canada was like, this is crazy. Like we could do black light everything. The one that does look kind of crazy is the founding fathers and then as the article says, when you put under the black light, it's the founding fathers at a rave and it totally looks like that. Or in Tron. Yeah, or they are kind of Tronish as well. It'll be in the show notes. People could take a look at it, passport follow up. All right. I have some follow up. Yes. Something, just to mention, depending on when this show goes out, I'm pretty sure we know when it will. And this is our Watch Star Wars with Darth Vader event. Yes. The week in which this podcast is going out should be the week in which the tickets are allocated. I'm assuming the podcaster will probably be going up on a Monday and on the Tuesday and Wednesday. I'm going to do the main stuff to allocate these tickets to anyone who wants to come along and watch Star Wars with yourself and myself and David Prales, Darth Vader. And you'll put a link in the show notes and anyone who's keen to know about how that's happening can follow that link. But follow it soon, because if you're listening to this a few days later, you may have missed the boat. Yeah, so our podcast, we know in advance this time, is going to go up on February 16th, is the day this goes live. Yeah. And so the short version is that we're going to make the information available to the Patreon subscribers first about how to get the first round of tickets on Tuesday, the 16th, sorry, Tuesday, the 17th then. Yeah. 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But I tell you what, as I've said before, whenever a plain crash happens now, my Twitter timeline lights up like a Christmas tree. And that has been happening again. Now, I guess the headline crash, the one that everyone's been talking about, have you surely you, even in your news bubble, has seen this extraordinary footage of this crash in Taiwan where this plane came in over a motorway? I have not seen this. I have not heard of this. You are amazing. Let me send you this link. I will just this has been, for reasons we might get into later, I have been unusually sequestered and busy this past week or this past two weeks now, really. So I am unfamiliar with this. What do I need to look at? So before you look at this, Grey, I'll just say, hasn't the introduction of dash cams resulted in unbelievable amounts of new footage for the news media that we would never have seen before. And this is a stellar example. For the news media, I see it all on the internet. Well, yeah, that too. Okay, so can I click this now? Yeah, go on. Okay. Now the thumbnails are totally spoilt there. Yeah. Phew. Well, that is, is a terrifying plane crash. Pretty amazing, hey? Pretty amazing. So anyway, it was, you know, it's a terrible thing that happened. People died. It turns out actually it was what, it looks like it might be one of these crashes where one of the engines failed on takeoff and the pilots turned off the wrong engine and lost both their engines. And then it was just, it was bad news from there on. So anyway. Yeah, the dash cam footage is of someone just driving along the highway and the plane crashes. I mean, it looks like it can't be more than 30, 40 meters in front of the car. Just kind of clips the road and goes into like a river or something on the side or a lake. It actually clipped that taxi cab in front as well. Oh, I didn't even notice that. But it does, it looks like the plane is flying normally as it comes in from the right side of the screen. And then it just, it looks like it just turns and falls right out of the sky. Yeah, just like the other doors. Or skyscrapers and things anyway. So there's a, you know, I'm sure you can see why a lot of people were tweeting me when that footage was going around last week because it was, you know. There's must have been very exciting for you. It was, it was, you know, it was, obviously it was interesting. Finally enough, the car won more behind also had a dash cam, so you can watch the same thing from another hundred meters away. They were a bit more... I guess dashcams are obviously a big thing in Taiwan. If you have two dashcams, you could do, uh, I'm sure you could feed that to a computer and do a semi-3D reconstruction of the scene. Wow, yeah. You have two perspectives on it. No, yeah, no, you're thinking. Yeah. So anyway, what I did this morning was I phoned my good friend who I've referred to numerous times on the podcast who is a pilot. Your pilot friend? My pilot friend. And funnily enough, he's been a 747 pilot for years, but he's just been training on new planes so he can do new routes. So I happened to phone him at night while he was having a break from his new training. So that's quite funny to phone up your pilot friend who's learning to fly new planes and say, let's talk about plane crashes. And the thing I wanted to get from him was would it's like for pilots watching footage like that of plane crashes? Mm-hmm. Because for like you and me, you know, it's like, gosh, how scary is that? You know, I wouldn't want to be in a plane crash. Right. But the second thing is, oh, and I'd be so powerless and you know, I'd just be a passenger and what can I do? But obviously pilots must look through this with different eyes. So, it's anyway. I gave him a call. And I've discussed this with him before and he gave me his usual answers, which always disappoint me. And he gets all technical and starts saying, well, you know, this is what you're supposed to do and this pilot probably didn't do this and you should always do this and this. And if you do this, planes are really safe and it's almost impossible for that to happen. If you do this and he gave me the big rundown. And towards the end of the conversation, something occurred to me that has never occurred to me before, like a bolt from the blue, this flash of inspiration. And I can't believe I've never thought of this before. You, CGP Gray, in another life, should have been a pilot. Oh, yes. Lots and lots of things about your personality and the way he was talking to me makes me think, Gray would be a perfect pilot because it's all about like being really rational and like, you know, don't panic, just follow the procedure. It's all about everything about flying as about checklists. He was telling me, if this happens, we've got this checklist and if we've got this happens, we've got this checklist and we've got the 13 checklist that we have to know by memory and then the other ones we've got in the book. That does sound very satisfying. Yeah, everything and it's, you know, and it's involving big machinery and things like that and you love machines and engineering and physics and all that sort of thing. And you know, you're flying around the world over and using maps and borders and coordinates and it just see like everything about being a pilot, I think, you know, I know you don't like jet lag and you don't like flying, but other than that might have problem. And in another life, you should have been a pilot. I think that is your perfect job, airline pilot. I do remember thinking when I was in college and you're faced with the crisis of, oh God, what am I going to do with the rest of my life when I leave these hollowed walls of security? And I remember thinking about pilot as one of the options of not necessarily that it was realistic, but just in the universe of job that I could try and imagine myself actually doing. Pilot was one of the ones that I thought, I think I might be able to get used to that. I could, this doesn't look so bad, but obviously the practicality is becoming a pilot. It's very difficult. It's not like, oh, I guess I'll just become a pilot. So there are very many reasons why I did not go down that path. But of the numerous jobs that were out there that was on my list of in some universe I could imagine doing this job, unlike say a doctor, right? Where there's just, there's no universe in which I could be a doctor that would just never happen. So you even kind of look like a pilot. Oh yeah. Yeah, like I can imagine you in a pilot uniform, like pilots look pretty much like you look a lot of the time. Oh yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean, not the, I mean, I know there's the stereotypical, you know, Tom Cruise Maverick pilot, but that's not what real pilots look like. Real pilots look like you. I'm not quite sure how to take that, but. We'll just take it and just, I'm just saying. It's just a thing, okay. I'll just do something. You should have been like you are, I can't believe I never thought of it before. Anyway. You know, it's, it's maybe in a different life that could have happened. Let me go more, but on you now though. Oh boy, this is my favorite part. Yeah. Because towards the end of this conversation with my friend, I was a bit disappointed. I was like, you know, he's so, he's so rational and boring about it, just like you would be. And then suddenly he says, actually, there is one piece of footage of a playing crash that I watch that does give me shivers. And he's seen them all, you know, he's seen all the footage that I've seen on all the things. He says, there is one playing crash that there is footage of on the internet. And when I watch that as a pilot, it shins, it sends shivers down my spine. Would you like to see this footage? It's not like, it's not, you know, it's okay. It's not like inappropriate, but it's just really interesting to see the one crash that terrifies a pilot. And it affected me too, you know, in a funny way. I'm gonna send it to you. I can't believe I hadn't seen this before, by the way. It's an extraordinary piece of footage. Okay. This is, I'm doing this for the listeners. I have no desire to do this. I feel like this is the Star Wars trailer all over again. I don't really want to watch this thing. Let me set the scene for this. Let me set the scene for this crash as well. Okay. Because you have to sort of understand what's happening. This is footage of a 747 taking off. It's a cargo flight that has some really heavy military vehicles in the plane. And they weren't secured properly. And when it took off, they kind of came loose and all went to the back of the plane. And through the balance of the plane completely off. And the outcome is what you see. So that explains the movement of this plane. Okay. And I'll send you this footage now. And this is, apparently this is the sort of footage that does scare a pilot. Okay. You've got it. All right. I'm watching now. Okay. Well, your thoughts? I mean, everybody dies in a giant fiery explosion, I guess. Well, yeah, yeah. But as my friend said, he looks at almost all plane crashes and thinks quite rationally about them. I could do this or maybe they should have done this or if this was done differently. But he says he looks at that one. And it's just, you're just completely powerless in a huge bit of metal then and you can do nothing about it. Yeah, for the listener, this is probably not the right technical term, but what it looks like is the plane is flying and then it, I mean, you, it's good to know what you said that the balance of the plane shifted. But it looks like the plane stalls in mid air that it's going forward. And then it's just like, it just stops and then just drops like a stone really. Yeah, that's exactly it. It kind of goes, it looks like it's going forward. It kind of inches back for a second and then just straight down. And it is, it's not very high off the ground. It looks like it must have just taken off, you know, 30 seconds before if that. So there's nothing, nothing that can be done and it just smashes into the ground. Very laden with fuel, obviously. So, so my pilot friend said that, that's the one that terrifies him. And I also would say that's the one that terrifies me. And the reason for that is when I watch that, like I always have this stupid belief in my head that if I was in a plane crash, you know, maybe I'd get away with it, you know, I'd break some bones and I'd be alright. But when you watch that crash and what happens when that plane hits the ground, because you don't often see planes hit the ground like that, watching that, you look at that and think no one's walking away from that. No one. No one's walking away from that. Yeah. So. Actually, that bothers me way less because I've never had this bizarre notion that I will just be magically okay in a terrible situation like you have. So I can see that how for you, this is much more disturbing because you're faced with the reality of you can just die in a plane crash like the rest of us mortals. You don't have a magic protection field around you. Yeah. There's no, there's no lucky escape from that. No, the one thing that was one of this is not actual plane crash footage, but it's a sand dumb. What was that movie you must know? I saw a clip from that movie with Denzel Washington where he's an airplane pilot. Do you know what I'm talking about? And he turns it around upside down. Yes, he turns the plane upside down. I don't even know what's based on a true story. I have no idea. But I saw a YouTube clip of this scene in the movie where there's a problem with the engine and all the rest of it. And Denzel Washington is a heroic pilot who is a cold flight. Maybe. Can I remember anyway? Anyway, Denzel Washington saves the day. And I watched this clip. And that actually affected me quite greatly, not because of anything like because it's a movie. So it didn't, you know, whatever. It maybe this is real, maybe it's not. I don't know. But I felt really stupid because I watched that clip and the thing that kept happening in my mind was realizing this scene is really long. And somehow it never occurred to me that, oh, plane crashes aren't really fast. I actually, in my mind, without thinking it through, sort of imagined that all plane crashes were like the one that you just showed me. Like, up, we're in the plane. There's a problem. And two seconds later, it's all over. It never occurred to me that you could be in the air for a relatively long time with nothing to do. Oh, and if you're at 30,000 feet, even if you just drop like a stone, it's a long drop. This is exactly it. I think this was just something my brain had refused to consider. And then like an idiot, I watched this clip of a movie plane crash and was forced to come to the realization of, I'm sitting here through this seven-minute scene. It doesn't mean that it's over quickly if you're in a plane. It can be a long time, a long time of waiting for it to be over. And that is much more terrifying to me. Do you know what's really interesting? Lots of people always write to us and say they get excited. They find it quite funny to listen to this section when they're on planes. I don't think they'll be enjoying this one very much. I don't know how they enjoy any of them. I'm sorry, I'm sorry everyone on planes. Blame this 100% on Brady. It's all Brady's fault. I haven't actually finished yet. I've got a bit more I wanted to talk about. Oh boy. We'll then lead us away from blank crashes to another subject. Oh, that'd be horrible. I just, I wish we could talk about, I wish we could talk about playing crashes all day. It's my favorite thing. There was another tragic incident that got a bit of publicity recently. I think it happened last year, but the report came out recently. So cut a long story short. It was a guy who was just taking like individual friends for joy flights in a two person sessner and had a crash and him and his passenger unfortunately died. And the report found the reason for the crash was taking selfies and just going, they were both just going crazy with cameras probably and taking pictures of themselves and a flash might have gone off in the eyes or distraction or something and the plane came down. I would, I will say to people who aren't into reading NTSB crash reports. This is quite an interesting one to read to sort of get you started because it's quite short and it's a little bit different. Yeah, this is your recommended baby's first NTSS crash report. Yeah, I think this is a good starter one. The reason it's interesting is the plane had a GoPro on the dashboard that was filming all his previous flights. The flight, the ill-fated flight, there is no footage of presumably because the recording didn't save to the card because of the crash. But all the previous ones were on the card and the report goes through what was on all the previous GoPro recordings, which is quite interesting because you're reading this crash report and suddenly they're talking about all these things that are on a GoPro, all the files and because everyone was taking selfies in all the previous flights and they helped them come to their conclusions. So, but to move away from plane crashes, I mean, I don't think there's anything for us to discuss here. If you're a pilot taking selfies in a plane is probably not a smart move. But it did get me thinking about something interesting. My wife said to me the other day, we were on a long drive and we were going down the motorway. I was driving and was listening to a podcast and she said that my driving is much worse when I'm listening to a podcast. Like she said, clearly you're just paying less attention. I mean, she's always complaining about my driving but she said it's worse when I'm listening to a podcast. And obviously there's all this, don't use a mobile phone, don't look at a screen, be hands free. But we never really talk about distraction in this way. What should we be listening to when we're driving? Is listening to music or I'm listening to podcasts more dangerous? Not that I want to discourage people from listening to Hello Internet when they go on their drives but it was an interesting discussion. It was something I hadn't thought about before. Is listening to some things that you're more engaged in, more dangerous? You have just hit on a total pet peeve of mine because in the US there's this debate about the different driving laws in different states and this is something that drives me crazy. All the states do things differently and lots of states have set up different rules for whether or not you can use hands free connections on your phone when you're driving. So can you use a Bluetooth headset or like my parents' car have some feature where the iPhone just routes through the built-in microphones and speakers of the car so that counts as hands. But there's all various different ways to do it. That's what my car does as well, yeah. Okay, so that always strikes me as magic for some reason. I'm always surprised. Oh, the car is just speaking the person's... Anyway, I don't know why I find that very off-putting in this way that is, I can't put it. Which is what? Yeah, maybe. It just feels, I don't know, it's weird. The person's talking, I'm like inside the person. I don't like it at all when the person's talking with me. Anyway, this is all besides the point because the thing that drives me crazy is... Like some states do this thing about, no, you can't talk on the phone full stop. You're not allowed to use the phone at all while you're in the car. The other states have this whole, oh, well, you can do it hands-free. This is obviously so much better. And people are big on turning their state into a hands-free state as opposed to a no cell phones at all state. And I hate this because there's a university of Utah Applied Cognition Laboratory Study. And they've actually done simulations of people driving in cars. And the bottom line is if you are talking to someone on the phone, it makes basically no difference whether or not you're doing it with one hand holding the phone or not. Like the thing that causes an accident is not, ooh, I didn't have enough grip on the steering wheel. It's, ooh, I didn't notice something because I wasn't paying attention to the situation at hand. And they actually, this study puts the odds at, you are basically exactly the same as a drunk driver in terms of likelihood of accidents if you are talking on the phone while you are driving. That this is, there is no difference in the probability of you getting into an accident. And so I feel very strongly about this and I don't like to be in cars when people are talking on the phone and I've had conversations with some people about this where I'm not going to be in the car with you if you're talking on the phone because I wouldn't be in the car with a drunk driver. Nobody would get into a car with somebody who was drunk. But if you take out your cell phone and you start talking to somebody, even if you're using hands free, you have effectively transformed yourself into a drunk driver in terms of statistics during this time. So I am very, very anti-talking on the phone in any way when you're in a car. You're just basically a drunk driver at that point. But people think that it's about physically gripping the steering wheel and there's nothing to do with that. Interesting. Yeah. I do talk on the phone while driving. I know you do. It's not legal here. So, and the first, my first response to what you say is I completely agree because I always like misturn off some things when I'm going somewhere and I'm talking. So I agree. I do not disagree with you. I do think handheld devices are more dangerous, particularly because I would never do this. But I haven't heard it said that if you send a text message while driving, that is more dangerous than talking on the phone while driving. Because then you start taking your eyes off the road and you drift across lanes. Yeah. So if you're texting while driving, you're a crazy person. And we both know someone who texts while driving way too much who's probably listening to this podcast right now who should totally stop that, tweeting while driving. Oh, I know who that is. Yeah, that's interesting. You know who you are. A person should stop. That's right. So that is more dangerous. So I think anything that's taking the phone, anything that's encouraging the use of the phone not in the hand, I think, does have merit to it. And maybe it's the first step towards weaning us off our phones while driving. Well, this thing was again, just talking about you are talking. They weren't doing a comparison between texting while driving. I would bet the texting while driving is way worse than being drunk. That your odds are much, much higher. But the hand drum person is looking at the road. Yeah. But the hand's free. I don't feel like, ooh, hands free gets us one step closer. And it's kind of like, I'm not actually a fan of a lot of Apple's car play things. Like a lot of cars having this integration now with Apple phones. And Android has some, I don't know what it's called, but Android has some similar program where, you know, like you can now talk to Siri while you're in the phone, but it's like a built-in feature of the car. And I just look at all that stuff and I think, man, I just, I don't know. I'm just, I'm very much, I'm very much against that stuff. And it's like, I don't think people should be using their phones at all. But obviously people do. So you need some kind of, you know me, I love system solutions. You need some kind of system solution to this issue. You can't just tell people, oh, don't text while driving because even very smart people who should totally know better will text while driving just all the time. You know, like they have to check Twitter right now and they're driving on the highway and it doesn't matter. And it's just insane. It's just insane. People do it. Yeah. I don't know. That Verna Herzog film that was made funded by the mobile phone companies in the US. That was then the released on YouTube and things like that, which was a series of sort of vignettes with people who had either lost people or who had caused the death of people because they were texting and using their phones while driving. It was very effective. I watched that and it really affected my attitude to my phone while driving and it still does. Yeah, but you still call me while you're driving. Yeah, I still make phone calls. Yeah. I can't hear you at all. It's terrible because I can barely hear you and you're basically driving drunk now. Nothing is gained. I mean, I think it's very easy for you to say this because you don't drive much. And but I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you. But here's let's do an interesting thing, right? Like, bringing it back to your original point because yes, it is very easy for someone like me who basically never drives to say like, oh, don't be on the phone while you're driving. I mean, I do feel like that because, you know, I don't want to be killed by some moron who's talking on the phone and not paying attention. But I think it like an interesting question is, is your original one is, and I don't know of any studies or I haven't come across anything. I'd be really curious if any of the listeners know. But has anyone done something about something like a podcast because the studies that I've come across talking about distracted driving, point out how talking to somebody else who's physically in the car makes no difference whatsoever. It doesn't make you more likely to get into an accident. And part of the reason there is that the person who's in the car with you is contextually aware of the situation. And this is going to sound so obvious as soon as I say it. But I thought, oh, that was something really interesting, it never occurred to me. When you're driving with someone, this happens all the time. When you come to an intersection or some kind of tricky driving situation, the person in the car stops talking. And you just wait a few seconds and then the conversation just picks up like nothing happened as soon as you're through the left hand turn across a busy intersection. You're right, I never thought about that, but of course. Yeah, it seems so obvious as soon as someone says it and you don't even notice it. But it must happen, you know, you're taking a long drive, it must happen a dozen times on the drive that the passenger just stops and allows you to focus and then you come back. And that the problem with talking with someone is that they are not contextually aware of your situation. Yeah. So the person on the other end of the phone just keeps the hammer in a way. You're trying to make that left hand turn across an intersection and they're not aware enough. And then suddenly your brain is split. I mean, and a podcast, the people talking on a podcast are not contextually aware of what you're doing. So maybe they are worse than that person sitting next to you. They're a bigger danger. Well, so here's what I wonder. Here's what I wonder. Again, I would love to see a real study on this. But my question is, maybe I would speculate that there's a chance that listening to something like a podcast or an audio book doesn't affect likelihood of accidents, merely because there's no social pressure for you, the person to keep listening to the speaker. So I've mentioned before, I've done several cross-country trips and there's no way I could have done them without audio books. And that's why I've someone told me, my chance of getting into an accident was not drunk driver levels, but slightly elevated while listening to audio books and driving. I would have to seriously consider that on something like a six-week road trip. It's like, well, how high are these odds? Because I need something to help me get through all the driving. But I would wonder that then maybe it's not bad, simply because you can just tune out the speaker on the audio book. And that's something I know, like I listen lots of audio books. It happens all the time if I'm just walking around. And I find my attention has gotten caught on something else, like, oh, what's this thing happening over here? And then I'm totally missed the audio book for a minute or two would have to jump back when I realized I've missed something. So I don't know. I would love to know. I would love to know if it's different because while I do think that people should listen to Hello Internet all day, all the time, if it was increasing their likelihood of getting into accidents while driving, I would not want them to listen. I would recommend that they don't. But we don't know right now. So I would love to know. All the while I want to have responses for this episode, are they? Oh, God, that's a good question. God, I really, I'm really hoping not. But you know what? It doesn't, it doesn't matter, right? I actually want to look it up. Is Audible one of our sponsors? Where's our little thing? Hello Internet Audible.com. Is one of our sponsors for this episode? What's wrong? You've just said how important they were on a cross-country trip. So, you know, that's good. That isn't entirely true. Is this the best time or the worst time to lead into the Audible ad? I have no idea when the ad, we do the ads later. So I'll have to figure it out. All right. Cut to the Audible ad. Yes, it's Audible. If you haven't ventured into the World of Audio books, you really should do it with Audible.com. They're the leading provider of books and other spoken material. And let's face it, if you listen to Hello Internet, you don't mind settling in for a serious round of talking. Audible have a truly astonishing range of titles and I really don't know where to start with recommendations. Perhaps what I'll suggest this week is go to Audible at their website, Audible.com, and use the search term chess, which calls up some really good books. Now, I'm no chess expert and I'm certainly not a good player, but I really love books about chess. Over the last year or so, I've read some really good ones. Probably my favourite is one called the Immortal Game. By David Schenk. And of course, Audible has it. There's a six hour, a bridge diversion read by Rick Adamson. You really will love it. It's not all rook to B3 and knight to D2. It's an intriguing story about the game's history and its colorful players. Really well written, really great stories. Trust me, you'll like this one. Go to Audible.com slash Hello Internet to sign on for an Audible trial. And that will include the free download of a book of your choice and maybe you'll choose the Immortal Game. If not, you can go through some of our previous podcasts and get other recommendations that myself and Grey have made over the last year or so. That address again, audible.com slash Hello Internet. So they know you came from us and our thanks to Audible for supporting this podcast. But, hell, that don't coat you. I think Audrey went and sat outside the door and I could hear a snoring out there. You've left that poor dog just sitting outside the door. Well, I thought she'd usually they would both go down to my bedroom and go on their big lovely bed down there. But she wants to be with her master and you chased her out with the baseball bat and she still loves you. Of course she loves me. She's just sitting up against that door. We love each other. Super sad. We're best buddies. Yeah, you're best buddies. What about the look? No, that's perfect. We got. What do you got? I guess not. Wow, it's harsh. Okay. What does hand story, man? You've written something in the notes here that says hand story. Okay. I have a little, this is our catch up section. What's happened since the last time we spoke into each other? Yep. I have a little story that ultimately has a little moral at the end of it. Wow. So, I'm going to tell this. Do it. I'm quite excited. It's not actually that exciting. But, yeah, about a week and a half ago. Yeah. You could have started with once upon a time. Once upon a time, a week and a half ago in my flat. Yeah. Right, this is not a fantasy story. I was getting ready to do my regular work routine. So I'm getting up in the morning, unusually busy this last week and this current week. I have a couple of deadlines that I need to hit, which is not normally the case for me. So lots of stuff to do. I can't afford delays. What time do you get up? Well, at the moment I am getting up at about 6.30. Sorry, that was an involuntary noise. I didn't know that time existed. You're still snoozing for an hour and a half. Or two and a half hours. How long do you get up? 6.30 is the time that sometimes I have to get up and let the puppy out for a wee before I go back to bed for a bit more sleep. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, 6.30 works. This happens to be the time when it likes anyway. Get up at 6.30. But my wife has gone off to work. I'm getting ready starting the day. You are still snoozing, probably. And so, you know, we've discussed before I have my little routine that has to go just the way that I wanted to go. I need to make my breakfast in a particular way, like have all this. Everything needs to be just so. So that I can kind of get into a regular work day. And it always sounds crazy. But if things go wrong, I've just learned from experience. It spells disaster for the amount of stuff I can actually get done. That's just the way things are. But so on this particular morning, something happened to be different, which is that our dishwasher did not run overnight because it didn't happen to be closed all the way. So it couldn't, it couldn't run automatically. So we didn't have clean dishes. So I had to go get a different cup from my coffee. No, this was a sign. This was a sign from above that you should have Donald's breakfast. Oh, yeah. Is that how you would interpret this? Yeah. But you take this as a sign you have to go and get a different cup. Yeah, we have some slightly smaller cups available in the cup, which I don't like to use for coffee, but we have them there. Okay. But these are not the cups that I wanted to use. Okay. And I'm not going to McDonald's. So I take out the cup. Now my wife has already gone off to work. There was some coffee that was made, but I need to reheat it like I always do. So I pour out some coffee into the slightly smaller cup, put it in the microwave, and I just put it on the normal time, same time every morning. I know how much I want to microwave the coffee. Everything is always the same except this morning the cup is different. Now seems like such a small thing, doesn't it? But you know about the property of fluids, either super heating or super cooling, yes? Right. Right. This thing with fluids where if you put them in a very smooth container, which this cup happens to be, where there's no cracks or nothing on the inside, you can heat or cool them past their boiling or freezing point. Yeah. So the coolest one to see is when things go past the freezing point, where the water is colder than zero, it should be frozen, but it isn't. It still looks like water. And then you just like tap it or you just drop a tiny piece of dust in it and it kind of freezes almost instantaneously. And then you have the reverse, which is super heated fluid, when it goes past the boiling point, but it doesn't boil because there's no little surface on the inside for any bubbles to start. So now unbeknownst to me, because the cup was slightly smaller, because there was less fluid in the cup, but I was still using the same time that I always used to microwave my coffee, which is what? On an hour microwave, it is a minute and 30 seconds, but our microwave is ridiculously powerful, even on its lowest setting. It's just like a nuclear microwave, as far as I can tell. Power setting won, and everything still has to be cooked for less than two minutes. It's just like three minutes. No, it's going to just burst into flames. So I put it in. And now here's where the whole morning, my whole day and unbeknownst to me, my whole week is about to change. Yeah. I reach in, I take out the cup of coffee, grab it in my left hand with my right hand, I take a spoon that I go to stir the coffee with just like every time, little tiny spoon, I put the little spoon in the coffee, and the fluid is super heated. This is the moment that it was waiting for. If you haven't seen it, it's very strange. It's not like when water boils or boils from the bottom. When something is super heated, it boils from everywhere, all of a sudden, every point of it suddenly becomes a bubble of steaming coffee at this stage. And so it pours all over my hand that I'm holding, all over that like if you imagine you're holding a cup of coffee in your hand, the complete top of my hand down the back around my thumb over the webbing and down my index finger and a tiny bit on my palm. Did you make any noise or say anything? I cursed really loudly. Really? Which word? What letter does it start with? It was fuck. I know for you, this is terrifying. This would have broken your street. I need to ask if this happens to you because it happens to me, I find this strange. If I get hurt in a surprised way, like say, oh, you get up in the middle of the night and you're stumbling into the bathroom and you smash your toe or something or your shin against the wall, not only does it hurt, but I find for maybe two or three seconds, my brain just goes into Hulk mode. It's like, I'm not only hurt, but I'm filled with instant rage. And so you want to just smash and destroy the wall that has dared hurt me. Do you have this reaction? Yeah, yeah. I think I know what you mean. I think that is normal. Right. It's seconds of anger. Yeah, it's not just, I'm hurt. It's just, it's like an outward projection. What is the thing that hurt me? How can I possibly destroy it? That must be some evolutionary thing. mustn't it? Some like some little five second power up in case it was a mammoth that jumped out from behind the cave to a techie or something? Yeah, it absolutely has to be. That's the only thing that makes sense. Is it's your body going, do we need to kill a tiger right now? Right? We're hurt. We don't exactly need to stop a tiger. Right. No, we don't know what it is. But like all of the adrenaline just dumps into your system immediately. Yeah. And so I had this exact same thing happen with me with the coffee. Where I was furious at the cup and reflexively just threw it against the wall, which is not the best thing to do as well. So there was to this day a kind of huge stain of coffee against one of the walls in our flat, which is very frustrating. Oh my goodness. Very frustrating. How irrational of you. Well, this is, this is, this is also, I find one of these funny moments where you realize you're not as in control of your mind as you think you are in these little, these little reflexes. I think I could have no more not thrown the coffee than when the doctor hits your knee with a little hammer and your leg goes out. And it's like, I don't do that. It just, it just happens. I think so. The first time that ever happened, the doctor got the hammer out and hit me on the knee. Yeah. I never believed that was a real thing. I thought it was just something that happened. Oh, really? Bugs Bunny cartoons. And when it really happened, I thought that was awesome. How were you like five? You must have had a little bit of it. No, I was like much older. And I'd never seen it happen before. I was like, it's real. It suddenly occurs to me. I have no idea why the doctors do it. Do they just do it because it's funny? Not at all. What can happen? If there's any doctors, please listen to it. What can that possibly be showing? You're in good knee health. I have no idea what that could possibly be. You were saying there was a message to your story. Well, I'll get there. I'm still there. There's more to come. There's more to come. There's more to come. It's not just, oh, I smashed a cup of coffee, right? Okay. Go on. Don't let me stop you. Whenever you burn yourself, you just have to run cold water over it. And it immediately becomes apparent that this is not a normal burn, right? That this is a much worse burn than I've ever had before. I'm looking at my skin and thinking, ooh, that does not look good. This does not look like normal burns. So I've run my hand under the water as long as I can, as long as I can. And then I realize, okay, I need to figure out what's going on. Go to my computer, load up the internet. I need to find out about burns. And let me tell you, you will never realize how slow a fast computer is. Then when your hand feels like it's on fire and you're trying to look up information about burn injuries, because it's like click safari, I want safari open now, right? Not five dock bounces from now, right now. I can't wait for it. And then it's like, oh, loading up Google. Oh, here's the Adobe Updata. Yeah, I know. It's like, it felt like it took five minutes to get to the NHS's thing about burn. We have to reinstall Acrobat to read this NHS document. This is a hard story. Do you want to fill out a survey about our website and how helpful you're finding it? No, right? I just need this information immediately. And the bottom line was the website told me, you obviously have a second degree burn. This is something you need to actually have someone take a look at. Because is your hand blistering immediately? Yes, it's a second degree burn. This is not a superficial burn. You actually need to go into the hospital. So great. Now I'm going to the hospital. You went to hospital. I went to the accident emergency. You didn't tell me this. Was I supposed to tell you this? Yes. Was I supposed to tweet you from the hospital or something? Well, you're not tweet, mate. But you should have sent me a message at some point. What should we find out? I should be finding out my mate went to hospital for the first time on a podcast. Well, I went to accident emergency. I didn't, I wasn't like in a coma. I went to accident emergency. If you were in a coma, I'd forgive you for not contacting me. What were you going to do? Were you going to come down from Bristol and help me out? No, but you tell your mates these things when you get second degree burns and go to hospital. I'm sorry, I was a little preoccupied at the time. Oh, you didn't have to tell me like at the time, but... Well, I never had to. Then I was not there. I was busy later. Later things were busy, but at the time I wasn't thinking about the stuff. My wife didn't find out until she came home from work. Like, what was she going to do? Come home from work? No, there's nothing she can do. I'm just going to accident emergency. Still tell her. Did she tell you off from not telling her? Sort of. Yes, I'm bloody bet she did. But then she realized that I was correct. There was no need for her to realize. And she realized she's not to an idiot. No, it's not the case at all. I feel like we're getting derailed. I'm getting restless. So I go to accident emergency. And what I'm hoping is happening there is I've been there before with my wife or some other things. They have like three level of triage doctor. And I'm hoping that I just get there and they look at this and go, oh, you big baby, just go home. It's just a bad burn. You know, don't waste our time with this. But no, unfortunately, each level of triage person looks at it and goes, the next level of triage person needs to look at this. You can't go home yet. So anyway, I ended up spending like three hours at A&E going through various triage levels until I saw the doctor person who was like, yep, that's a bad burn. It's like not bad enough for a skin graft, but bad enough that we need to look at it and they gave me some painkillers and they bandage it up. And so I ended up with this bandage across all of my thumb and my finger in the palm of my hand and just this totally useless hand that felt like it was on fire all the time. And oh, as a little side note here, have you ever tried to meditate, Brady? No. I have been attempting to do not need meditation meditation, but something called mindfulness over the past couple of months. Not very successfully. I have to say, why is wrong with you that I've been trying to do meditation? You're just not the man I used to know. Well, here's the thing. This sounds to me like just craziness, mindfulness and meditation. This is we can get up on a whole different topic on this some point. But I have heard from enough people that I trust who are also very successful get stuff done kind of people that this is a thing worth trying. So I'm always up for trying stuff if enough reliable people tell me about it. So I thought, okay, I'll give this a try. But so in mindfulness, there's this thing that you're supposed to kind of become aware of, which is that thoughts and sensation are like appearances in consciousness and to detach yourself from them. So it's like, oh, breathing is happening. I'm aware that breathing is happening. But you don't think of it as like, I'm the one who's breathing. You're just aware of this thing and you like distance yourself from it. Okay. And so when I had burned my hand, I thought for a moment, I like, okay, this incredible pain, like it's an object in my consciousness, but I can disassociate from it. Nope. You are totally worthless to me right now in mindfulness practice. Goodbye. I do not have time for this. Yes, Treyosh Doctor, please give me that painkiller right now immediately at this moment. You don't need mindfulness and, you know, whatever crystal bowls and candles. You know what you need? To be hard as nails. You just got to think, be hard as nails. What would Brady do? He'd be hard as nails. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what would you do? Just look firmly into the horizon for a few moments. I would just be like, all right. Do what you got to do, Doctor. Don't even tell me. Just do it. Just fix it. Fix it. No, I'm going to go back to work. I had to do something while I'm sitting around and accident emergency for a while. You know, and it's like, oh, I have to do all that mindfulness and zen. All I'm doing is sitting there for a couple of seconds and realizing immediately that's totally worthless in my situation. I just found a question. I just thought, believe you didn't tell me this happened. Please tell me you didn't tell me because you wanted to save it for the podcast. No, I honestly just didn't come up. It was not relevant to any of our conversations that we got since. It shouldn't have to come up. You should just tell me. Okay. I told you when my wife had a hair cut. Yeah. That was interesting. It was a very good haircut. There was nothing you could have done to help with the situation. I'm not saying I could have helped, but fine. Fine. I'm not being anyway. It just didn't cross my mind. I'm sorry. I will try to have a, I'm going to start sending you all kinds of stuff. I'm going to let you know what I'm doing every day. You don't have to tell me everything you do, right? We just need to have a line. I think going to accident and emergency with a burnt hair that gets bandaged up crosses the line of, oh, I'll tell my mate this at some point this week. Okay. I'll try to keep that in mind in the future. All right. It was a whole... I'll help you through this, all right? I'll help you through it. If you send me something you didn't need to tell me. I'll tell you. And together, together, I will teach you... You'll teach me where the line is. I will teach you where the line is of what you tell your friends. Do you want to know when my wife gets a hair cut? If it's... Yeah, maybe if it's an interesting one. Okay. If it's like a radical departure. Yeah. Radical departure. Yeah, she's had her hair cut. She's changed color. It's really different now. Okay. That's interesting. That's not essential. That's not essential. Okay. That depends. But hospitalization is definitely the other side of the line. Yeah, hospitalization is greatly over exaggerating this story. It's a visit to accident emergency. That's what it was. Okay. Anyway, anyway, the bottom line, the moral of the story, is never change your routines. That's the moral of the story. Don't let even the slightest thing be different because one tiny difference, a different cup of coffee, ended up with me having a hand at 50% operational capacity for about a week during one of the busiest times that I currently have. And I'm still actually quite worried about it because even though it's like kind of feel, oh, the doctor gave me this... Here's the thing you never want to hear from a doctor, side note here. It's like, oh, by the way, when it's healing, all that skin, it might turn totally brown and just kind of slosh off. It's like, don't worry about that. That's fine. Like, if it turns dark brown, that's okay. That's supposed to happen. You don't need to come back for that. Like, oh, okay. It's like, if it gets deeply infected though, you might need to come back for that. You've got to watch all those blisters because they could get infected and they might die. Oh, great. Okay. But yeah, so a very slight change in my daily routine led to basically like a week and possibly much, much longer of limited capacity with one hand. Which is very frustrating, all because of a different coffee cup. So never change anything. Keep everything the same every day. Well, obviously that is not the moral of the story. That is the moral of the story. The moral of the story is when you haven't got cups and plates for breakfast, go to McDonald's. Sausage McMuffin. The sausage McMuffins are good. Yeah. I am partial to the sausage egg beagle. I like that one. No, I don't like the egg. I have just sausage McMuffin with no egg. No egg. No egg. That's no. You have to have the egg. No egg is... Do you know I didn't eat any eggs until possibly until I was in my 30s? I didn't like it. Like I said, I don't like eggs. And I will just never have eggs. And then one day my wife said, How can you not like eggs? Everyone like eggs. And I'm like, I don't like eggs. And she said, just humor me. Just have this egg. And I had it. And I was like, actually, it's not bad. So now I eat eggs. I realize they're okay. But I don't like the one, my sausage McMuffin. I don't know, like half of my diet must be eggs. I don't even understand. A breakfast sandwich is not a breakfast sandwich if it doesn't have an egg. Oh no, I rarely have eggs. If your breakfast sandwich doesn't have an egg, that is an abomination in the eyes of God. That shouldn't be allowed to happen. You have to have an egg on your breakfast sandwich. Don't agree. Don't agree at all. You're just wrong. You're just wrong. Well, we're gonna have some fister cuffs if we're ever having breakfast sandwiches together. I'll tell you that. Horses for courses, one way when you have on your breakfast sandwich is... I guess so. I guess so. No. Well, thank you for telling me your story, but you should have told me much, Sina. I'm sorry, I didn't tell you sooner. All right. Anyway, beware of superheating your coffee people. Hello, internet. Building a website can be tough, and even if you know your way around coding, creating something that looks good and works well is very time-consuming. Well, lucky for you, Squarespace makes it easy to build beautiful websites without breaking a sweat. Squarespace provides simple, powerful, and beautiful website templates for you to work with. 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So to portray it as though I'm like, oh yeah, dude's totally innocent is not even remotely accurate. This again, this is the conversation has just become their extremes. This is another example suddenly I'm like, let it all joke. I was, I don't seriously think that anyone has buckled under the pressure of using anything. I know that as well. I was more concerned about your misrepresentation of my position. Obviously, legislators should, but probably don't listen to the Hello Internet podcast. I've been, anyway, I had not heard of that. So he's getting a retrial or is it just... Oh, I don't want to say retrial because I don't understand how the legal system works. And but he's got something which is getting people excited thinking he might get off. I can't believe you haven't seen it. Everyone was tweeting us and emailing us. And you really are blocking people out, aren't you? I had a very conscious no Twitter policy for about a week or so when I was just, I can't afford any kind of distractions. So that's why when I was, when you're asking me before about the planes and things, like I was just totally offline. Like might as well have been in a cabin in the woods offline. So that's why I'm particularly uninformed this week about everything. So I know that frustrates you to no end. I did not wake up and check the news on my phone first thing in bed as I'm supposed to do, I guess. No, you do, you do what you want to do. I do. You have written here that you wanted to talk about what you described as YouTube half-assery, as I would say, or YouTube half-assery, as you would say. YouTube half-assery. I was wondering, should we do it or should we save it for next time? Because I think this could be a lot of fun and we did talk a lot about YouTube in the last podcast. And we have never, we've never like teased forward to next time on Hello Internet. Because maybe this is a chance to do that. Now, I think it's a terrible idea. Because builds up people's expectations that you can't possibly meet. You don't tease future stuff on podcasts. That's terrible. People who said that, where is that rule written? That's the rule of how humans work. People go, oh boy, I can't wait to say. What a ridiculous thing to say. Almost all media is predicated on this idea of teasing what's coming next time. Do you know television? I know that that's what television does. But I'm not saying that it isn't effective to get people to listen to next time. I'm much more concerned about people's reactions when they actually get to the next time. You're so worried about that. You're so worried about. I don't want to, like, who's expectations? Yeah, because it's great to exceed expectations. You don't want to be constantly missing expectations. Boy, next week, boy, do we have a topic for you? And then it's just you and me talking about whatever again. That's no good. Well, of course it's gonna be you and I talking about whatever. That's what this whole podcast is. But I don't think saying we'll talk about YouTube half-assery next time is raising expectations that it's gonna be this seminal moment in podcasting history. It's just saying, here's something we'll talk about next time because we've ran out of time this time. YouTube have asked me, people will just imagine it's whatever they want us to talk about that they think is half-ass with YouTube. And it's like the thing that I want to talk about is such a minor thing. It's almost certainly not what anybody's thinking of. Just with the Amazon product, it's like, I'm looking at that for a boy. I can't wait to get my next kindle. Nope, no kindle for you. You can't compare me saying, oh, you've put something here about YouTube. Let's talk about that next time with like a multi-million dollar Amazon marketing campaign. I certainly can. It's the same principle. It's sort of like on my YouTube videos, I made some reference to how, oh, I'm not gonna do the Settlers of Catan video because it was boring. And now I can really never do it because people ask me all the time, oh, why not to do the Settlers of Catan video? That's going to be amazing. That will be your best video ever. It's like, no, I can't possibly do that video. It'll never be as good as you think it will be. It's just gonna be super boring now. Because you think it's gonna be amazing. Now, you do the sold the time. Every time you make a video, too, you always tell me, oh, this one's not very good this time. I'm not very happy with this one. And then it goes really well and gets like a million, two million views. And you're like, oh, that's good. I mean, I'm immune to you doing that now. Like when you say, oh, my new video is not very good. I'm just like, whatever. Just put it out. Don't even tell me. I, well, first of all, I don't do that with all the videos. You do so. Tell me the last time you made a video where you said to me, do you know what, Brady? My next video is gonna blow people away. That's how good it is. I guarantee you 10 million views. You're flipping this around. All I'm saying is I don't complain to you about every video. I'm not saying there are videos that I hype up to you about how awesome they will be. I think you do play down every video before I do. I don't think I did with the Lord of the Rings part one. I don't think I played that. I just think I simply didn't mention it to you. Lord of the Rings part two, I did complain to you about how I was unhappy with it. And I will totally, I will totally, listen to you sign over there. I will totally grant that. But why would I ever send you a message about, oh boy, this next video is gonna totally blow people away. I'm not saying you would seek me out to brag, but we do talk about what you're working on and briefly and what's coming up next. Sometimes, yeah. You do. You usually tell me what the next thing's about. And I tell you when I get to the animation phase, because then I always feel like it's too late to turn back now. If I'm telling you something, almost certainly, I'm animating it because that is the point of no return. I couldn't stop even if I wanted to. You don't need to be so secretive, you know, with your friends. Hey, well, have we talked about this before? I think this is more interesting. I don't think, okay, so everybody in my life is hugely frustrated that I don't tell the one I'm working on. Except for my wife who was just learned, and she doesn't ask me anymore about what I'm working on. You don't even tell your wife. Okay, no, I don't, I almost never tell my wife what I'm working on. Again, until I find it. That's because my wife isn't that interested, but I try to tell her. I like how we're in opposite situations here. You really want to tell your wife and she doesn't want to hear it. My wife really wants to know and I don't tell her. I have found, I swear we've talked about this before, but we're just old men now. I don't tell people, it's not out of secrecy and everybody thinks like, well, I want to keep a secret. That's not what it is. Just like my morning routines, I just know they have to go right or otherwise the day doesn't go well. I also find that if I talk about projects ahead of the point of no return, it somehow ends up being really demotivating to me to continue to work on those projects. And I don't know why that is. I just find that that's the case. So it's not that I'm trying to like, oh, I can't tell anybody, not even my wife, because she might run to my YouTube competitors and tell them what I'm working on. Like that's not what it is at all. You know what it is. What is it? You like the theater, you like the big reveal, you like the big show off. That's okay, that's good. You might feel that way too. That's like, you just, you know what I mean? Look what you did just there. This is exactly you. You feel like a bit of a show off and you project this on me. And I'm sitting here thinking, you could not have me more wrong. It is nothing to do with being a show host. You thought demotivating because you wouldn't get the reveal and the reaction anymore. That is nothing, that has nothing to do with it. It couldn't be further from the truth. Tell me why it demotivates you if people know, like your friends know what you're working on. I don't know why. I feel like just talking about it now. Well then if you don't know why, why is my explanation not acceptable? Okay, just because I can't explain the internal state of my mind doesn't mean that your arbitrary assessment of it is automatically correct. Doesn't mean it's automatically correct, but it does mean you can't rule it out if you can't give me an alternative. I mean, I guess I can rule it out because I don't feel any joy about, oh boy, I'm whipping away the veil of secrecy here and everybody can look at the amazing thing that I create because I don't feel that way at all when I release a video. I mostly feel, oh God, I hope I didn't do something incredibly stupid that I'm about to hear about from millions of people. Oh, everyone feels that. That's a parallel emotion with releasing anything. Yeah, but so I don't feel like, oh, I'm releasing this in some floors. I just, I find it, I don't know. I mean, I feel it's, I'm trying to articulate this. It's almost like talking about it somehow, how limits it in my mind. It makes it possibly be fewer things. It leaves me less free to think about, how do I want to work on this? I'm just totally aware that projects I have talked about before they reach a certain point are much more likely to be projects that just die that end up going nowhere. This happened in Alabama where much against my policy, we were sitting around the table, I talked about the thing that I was currently working on at the time and that thing just never came to be. And I was kind of aware that, oh yeah, I talked about it and when I got back from Alabama, I felt like I just had much less interest in continuing to work on that project. And I had a huge pile of notes and a bunch of things written and I was just, you know, maybe next year or something and it just kind of died with it on the vine. And I don't know why. It just, you are a complicated enigma, wrapped in a mystery and all that stuff you are. No, I think it's just very simple. You're a wound up complicated bowl of conflicted. We're in a crisis. There's no conflict. It's very simple. And that's why I don't talk about the stuff that I'm working on. It's very simple. There's no... I realize the outside bit is simple. I just weren't told you. But I'm saying, what's driving it under the surface sounds complicated. The internal part is simple as well. I just, oh, if I talk about stuff before it's done, I just don't feel like working on it as much anymore. No, that doesn't count as the underlying reasoning. That's the outward manifestation. Yeah, but what's under that? What's, why is that the case? That's the complexity. You're just asking nonsense questions now. You know, you're, oh, let's try to delve into your subconscious. That's just nonsense. Just, you know... I don't want it to be subconscious. I want you just to tell me. But you said yourself, you can't articulate it. Yeah, but that doesn't, that doesn't mean that there's something deeper than that. This is a bit like... There's something deeper. Would you know it is? No, there isn't. You know what this is honestly like? This is a bit like, if I was trying to ask you like a deeper question about why you don't like eggs on your breakfast sandwiches. You know what? You just don't. There's nothing deeper about this. It's just the way it is. Right? And then like, oh, no, Brady, you're a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in an egg McMuffin. Like, it just doesn't, there's nothing there. It just doesn't make any sense. It's just things just are. This is like, I don't know, I was talking about this people. I find human interest in things really interesting. It's totally unexplainable why people are interested in stuff. Like human interest is sort of self validating I think is the way that I would put it. Where people like to make fun of somebody else for being really into a thing. And I feel like, no, no, they're just interested in it. There's no reason. He's like, playing crashes. That's just who he is. Yeah, like I think it's weird, but you're just interested in that. And it doesn't need any reason. It is its own thing. And I find it interesting to think about like why don't certain things interest me. Stuff that seems like it totally should. Sometimes just completely misses the mark with me. And there's no, there's no explaining. And I think, huh, I really should have been interested in that thing, but I'm just, I'm just not. It just seems totally arbitrary. And you don't go looking for some kind of deeper explanation and deeper reasoning about, oh, you know, why don't I like sports games and Brady does? Like it's, you know, great. Just because you don't go looking for it doesn't mean it's not there. And I think there are interesting things underlying most things. And I am certain there are interesting things underlying, for example, why you don't like talking about your videos before you put them out. And just because you don't want to talk about it, or just because you can't. And just because I have no idea, because I'm a dumbass and I got no idea either, doesn't mean it's not there and it's not interesting. It just means we're not talking about it. I don't even understand what you're saying. It's like I just hear words and I don't know. Like I will answer your questions as honestly as I possibly can about my work habits. But there's, there's just nothing to be, it just is. Like at a certain level, the brain is, or your mind is an emergent property of electrochemistry. Like there's no, there's no, it's like asking a why does gravity operate the way that it does? At a certain stage, you just get to, well, that's the structure of the universe, which is just like saying that's the way it is. But there is always another reason. There is always something interesting underneath. There isn't, no, there isn't. There is a tip, and keeps digging deeper. Does try to find out why gravity works. Yeah, you are allowed to just give up and say, it's just the way it is. That is allowed. And everyone has a different point at which they give up. Some people give up at understanding how a car works at turning the key. Other people want to know how the engine works. Other people want to know why the petrol explodes. Other people want to know what the petrol is made of and the atoms than other people want to know how the atoms work. Everyone gives up at a different level. It doesn't mean there's nothing below. It just means you stop talking about it. Let me put this, okay. I'm not saying that there's, when you're talking about why do people think that's the way they do? I'm not saying that there isn't some kind of underlying explanation. Like I think the better way to put it is to say that there is no understandable underlying explanation, right? That to describe the process that is occurring in the physical structure of the brain that leads to particular outcomes is very likely to be just non-understandable to a human brain. Right, and you think the reason you don't not talking about your videos falls into that category. The thing is, I have noticed this connection. If I talk about things before they reach a certain point, then I find that I am much less interested and much less able to work on them. This is like a thing that I have discovered just by watching how I work and the reaction to things over time. This is like one of the interesting things about being self-employed that I find is you have to kind of constantly see how things work out. And this is one of the patterns among many that I have noticed, which is one of the reasons why I find like, oh, I'm getting better at being a self-employed person over the years because I'm more aware of these kinds of patterns. So I'm a way. But I don't believe. I don't believe it. But it's unexplainable. I'm aware that this pattern exists. And what you're asking is for an explanation of why do I find it harder to work on something after I have spoken about it? Yeah. At this point, I'm not able to articulate anything. Like as we're having this conversation, I'm not able to adequately articulate it. And it may just be that we're at a kind of bottom level for the ability for the brain to understand itself. Like, oh, I can notice a pattern. And if we delve down into the electrochemistry of the brain, we may be able to discover why this is the case. But I'm not sure there's any like meaningful human conversation to be had at this level. I believe you. I believe you that you can't articulate it. And you don't even know yourself. But I don't believe we've reached the bottom yet. I don't believe we've reached the electrochemical level here. I'll believe you're probably smart enough people that would go, oh, that's actually quite an unexplainable phenomenon. And the reason is X, Y, and Z, he's got this kind of personality. And if he does it, this happens. And it's explainable. I don't believe we've reached the machine code yet of you in saying that I don't like talking about it. What's your few levels away? What you've done there is, I mean, you can tell a story about it. But that's very different from knowing that the story is accurate. I mean, you give people any kind of thing. And they'll start talking and telling a story about how it's all connected. I mean, that's what all of psychology nonsense is kind of based on. Oh, we can tell a story about this. Of course, lots of people could give lots of different reasons. And obviously only one of them can be right. But I think one of them is right. Flip this around for example. I find it really interesting that from my perspective, you seem to be like a machine that just likes to work all the time on videos. You just make a huge number of videos. From our conversations, I think it is no doubt that you spend a larger number of just raw hours per day sitting at your computer, editing it avid, or working in Photoshop directly on some project. I think there's probably no comparison to the amount of time I spend writing or animating versus the amount of time that you spend working on videos. So then my question would be, why do you sit at the computer for as long as you do working on these things? OK. Well, your answer would be, it can't be explained. It's just the chemical in my brain. The actual answer is, I don't know. I find that hard to articulate as well, but I'm sure it's explainable. Is that the best you can give me? I get pleasure from creation and the end making things, and the more things I create and make, the more pleasure I get. And the only way that I can make lots of things is to spend lots of time making things, because I can't just pull them out of the sky. I have to actually make them. So the reason I spend so much time sitting here editing in a Photoshop and on my computer programs is not because I love sitting at my desk and being cooped up in a room. It's because I want to create more things. You want to have that moment of the reveal of showing people the things that you've made. Yeah. I mean, it's not like how you joked around about pulling back the veil or whatever, and it's a big, oh, aren't you also surprised and amazed that I could do this? I don't think I'm amazing people who I make. I just like creating things. Yeah. And you're always hoping everything's going to be a front-page story. I know that for sure. Yeah. I've got past the point where I think everything's going to be successful, but as long as people see it and get enjoyment from it, I get enjoyment. I get enjoyment. I get massive enjoyment from finding out something and knowing something and then telling that to other people. And that's what I do through my videos. If I meet someone and they tell me some half interesting thing about chemistry or mathematics, I cannot wait to tell other people that thing. And the way that I tell other people is through a video I make that X number of thousand people will watch. So you like making videos because you like telling people new things? Yeah, I like that. I get pleasure from the act of creation and the act of informing. OK. So why do you get pleasure from the act of creation? I don't know. Like that, I think, is where we hit kind of at a rock bottom at this level of connection. I don't agree. I don't think we're anywhere near rock bottom. We're entering the realm of things that are very difficult. And you can start getting into things like legacy. Do you have legacy issues? Do you have ego issues? Do you have attention issues? Do you have... There are issues. There's nothing positive. Creative people are just filled with issues. No, no, no. Those things aren't necessarily negative. Some people who crave attention accomplish great things. But we are getting into complex things and we are getting into personal things. And therefore, it becomes not only does it become difficult to grasp and grapple with in our brain, it also starts getting personal to a point where you might not want to start discussing it on a podcast because it might delve into your inner issues and psyche and things that you think are personal. So here are our things. That doesn't mean they don't exist. And it's a cop out to say, you can't be explained machine code, whatever. Chemicals. No, we're nowhere near that. I'm not even sure what this conversation is anymore. No, neither am I. I got no idea. But next week, from two weeks time on Hello Internet, we will discuss YouTube half-assery. YouTube. We'll talk about YouTube. Why did you have to do that? Why did you do that? We're just going to let the people down. It's not anything, people. It's nothing. It's nothing.
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