H.I. No. 34: Line in the Sand

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"Line in the Sand"
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Episode 34 on the podcast YouTube channel
Episode no.34
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Original release dateMarch 30, 2015 (2015-March-30)
Running time01:42:58
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"H.I. #34: Line in the Sand" is the 34th episode of Hello Internet, released on March 30, 2015.[1]

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Warning: Grey and Brady are over-worked, underprepared, and just a little bit grumpy. Nonetheless, they bravely soldier on to discuss: emailing Brady, "You're CGP Grey", the lasting value of (some) teachers, NOT plane crash corner but iPhone corner!, self-employed vacations, the solar eclipse, and Vessel.

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You're already mad at me and we haven't even started. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ I think this is our least prepared episode ever. We've both been super busy today. We have said that before with unprepared episodes, but this is really like. Well, I guess we have a thing to do and this is literally the only time we can do it. So we have to record right now because you are going to be traveling and I am going to be traveling. So if we don't record today, it's not going to happen. Potentially, we could both be on planes when people listen to this one. Oh yeah, actually, I think I very well may be on an airplane when people are listening to this or quite shortly thereafter. They're there about. I will be on a plane when this one airs. The day we're recording this is the day that Grace just put out his scanned an aviodeo. Four hours ago is when I put it out. And I think I put out four or five videos today. It's been, but it has been mad, so we are both. Well, I didn't, I didn't edit and make all of them, but. But I also uploaded some today that aren't released today. Can I just say, by the way, I've been meaning to bring this up for a while. And this is completely unnecessary to bring up, but I'm bringing it up. We got nothing. It's just going. We got nothing. I know people get very excited about all these Brady versus Gray widgets and websites and spreadsheets and that comparing how many videos I've made since you last made a video and how many views you also have had compared to mine and all that sort of thing. Not only do I think that's completely pointless. And like comparing apples with kiwi fruits like in many ways. Right. Not only is it pointless for those reasons, but it's also completely broken because if one of us uploads, well, I'm speaking more about me here, if I upload a bunch of videos and don't make them public for various reasons, because I'm staggering releases and things, when I then make them public, all these widgets and that use the date that I uploaded them, not the date they go public. So there's always some videos that aren't counted in the in the tally and all sort of things. So not only are the numbers pointless, but the numbers are wrong. And as I said before, I think it's great that people do and it's funny and cute. But some people take it really seriously and they probably shouldn't. My understanding is that this again is like many things entirely YouTube's fault, because they don't actually have any place where you can access the published date. There is only the uploaded date. So there's no information for any of these things to draw from about when was the video actually made public. So yes, even I have run into this sometimes as well where I have a videos are uploaded in a different order from the time they actually go public. And it's just very frustrating. It's weird. It's another weird little thing that you can't, why can't you have a published date? Who cares about the upload date? Nobody. Is it more YouTube half-assery? It is more YouTube half-assery that's entirely true. Which we jump right into a little follow-up item because this list goes right up against that. Or did you do something else? It sounds like no. No, no, no. It sounds like you found yourself a little segue. That's quite unusual. So I'm not going to ruin it for you. Okay. Well, we just have everyone this segue. But the very first thing that I have in follow-up is, I mentioned it last time, even still more people have sent me all kinds of bizarre configurations about where the card little icon appears on various different devices. It's in all kinds of crazy locations. And since the last time we recorded, YouTube has moved the branding box that I was complaining about last time, where the, at least on the computer, the place for the card button and the place for the branding box were in the same location. And I thought, why on earth did you put the two of them there? You should have the branding box or the eye in different places. And they moved the branding box to what seems to me one of the worst locations, which is now the bottom right-hand corner is where they put the little logo box on top of all of your videos. And it's like, oh, come on, guys. That seems like a terrible place to put it. I don't know why you decided that was the one to go for, but that's, you know, that's where they put it. And it is irritating to me because that is a place that is very useful in animate, like the bottom part of it is very useful for animations. And so now it's like yet another thing I have to be aware of when I'm putting together my slides are like, oh, right. Anything in the bottom right-hand corner is going to be covered up by the branding box. So I'm actually considering just totally turning off the branding box entirely. But yes, some more YouTube have, as a way. Are you finished? I'm finished. I'm sorry. You know how when I talk about things like cricket and playing crashes and things and you're just like, I couldn't care less. Right. Yeah. That this is definitely one of these things where it matters to me more because I'm doing animations, but for 99% of people on YouTube, it doesn't, doesn't make any difference. Like what corner is being used to buy the screen, doesn't matter because it's almost always someone's face in the center of the screen. So this is just my problem, which is why I'm complaining about it. I do a lot of animations too, but I just don't think about that. I just like, maybe I should think about it, but anyway, you're doing fine without thinking about it. Well, you're doing pretty well too though, so maybe I should think about it. I don't think this is the difference that makes a difference. We'll see. Anyway, there you go. If you really care about this email, great. So you've said something here about Europe and skyscrapers. What's going down here? That's not me. Is that me? That's you. That is me. You're always trying to tell me that I put these things in the document and they're your things. This is not me. I didn't put it there. I don't know. Just... I swear, you don't know anything that you do. You don't know when you touch the microphone. You don't know when you add stuff to the document. It's like you're not in your own mind. It often does feel that way. Yeah, you're just on autopilot. Just do whatever. Looking at Twitter, checking your email, adding stuff to the documents and not remembering any of it. That's the impression I get right now. It looks like there is plans for the tallest skyscraper in Europe to be built at a spa resort in the Swiss Alps. It would tower over London's Shard, which measures a mere 1,000 feet. Yet Gray still wants to buy an apartment in it. I do. We'll put a link in the show notes in a few. How can this article have no picture? God damn it, articles are so useless. Yeah, you'd think they'd be like artists impression or something. Yeah, they have just some picture of a little town and then like a stock photo of a woman in a spa. Stupid article. I want to photograph. When I was the reporter for the City Council in Adelaide, and new plans would go in for a building and I could go and get them from the from the council offices like where I put in all their planning submissions, man, that was exciting. I knew I had a good story that day when you'd go in and they'd say, yep, we've got some plans. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's page five. That's page five, page seven maybe depends depends how good it looks. I think I got maybe even got a page one, but I got a couple of times with them. Oh, yeah. Yeah, artists impressions of buildings. That's money in the bank for a council reporter. Exciting. Big deal. Monday morning when the council agenda came out for the meeting that week with all the reports. Oh, that was a bananas. That was a treasure chest of stories. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sounds very exciting. Happy times. It's really fun being a newspaper journalist. I really miss it. Oh, yeah. Why don't you go back? I'm sure they'd take you. Yeah. No, so you don't really miss it enough to actually do it again. Well, no, I have, just because I have fun memories of something. Do you know, I actually have a recurring nightmare that I'm back working at the newspaper? And it wasn't a nightmare to work there. Don't get me wrong. I loved working there. It was the, you know, some of the happiest days of my life. But for some reason, it's an anxiety dream that I've gone back now. I've left England and I've gone back to Australia and I'm back in the newsroom. And I'm thinking, I'm a goodness what a terrible mistake. Why have I done this? Things were going really well. Why have I come back? It's like a real anxiety dream of mine. Yeah. It's probably my most frequent anxiety dream. And I can't emphasize enough how much I'd like the place. It's not like it's a nightmare place. I don't want to go back to it. But in the dream, it's terrible. It's like, oh, crazy. Things were going well. I was making my YouTube videos and things were good. Why did I stop? Why did I come back? This is a mistake. Tell me more about your dream. It's really just as I said that. I remember how much you hate dreams. I thought you might like this one though because it's like an anxiety dream and it's like a recurring thing. It's not like, you know, oh, one day I was walking down the street and my brother was Robin Williams or whatever it was you said. When you said it wasn't that. It was like, you know, sorry, a bought a bought a bought dream conversation. No, it's it's it's very interesting. You're unhelpful enough with my attempts to set conversations at the best of times. You're being especially unhelpful now. I try to be helpful. I'm just not very good at it. But this but the dream stuff is the absolute worst. There's nothing to grab onto. It's just it's a conversational fog. There's no there's no hope. There's no way out. Just but you're really, really interested in psychology, right? And there must be links between dreams and psychology. I'm not really interested in psychology, no, not really. You're not. No. Okay. I think it's mostly nonsense. Well, while we're speaking of this. Sorry, my uncle who's a psychologist. I hope you're not listening. While we're speaking of Adelaide and buildings, can I just quickly follow up on our previous discussion about the black stump building? Please do. The mighty black stump. The mighty black stump. The Grenfell Centre on Grenfell Street. And mere stones throw from the Adelaide Advertiser building. Oh, well. We had three people send in photos as requested. And they were holding a copy of the advertiser to prove that they were contemporaneous pictures. That was a massive massive kudos to those people. I've got a special blog page dedicated to them. I like the guy who had it on the laptop. I thought that was the best. That was a classy move. That's the way I would have done it. Yeah. I actually prefer the paper ones, but of course. Of course. But today, we had a fourth contributor swoop down and steal the glory. Steal the glory from those three contributors. And this was a guy called, I will look up his name because he definitely gets a name check. In fact, they all deserve a name check. The photographers were Guesty Man. This is Twitter names, obviously. At Guesty Man. At DG567828. Catchy Name. And Tablet Laptop Man was at Kalim Gair. But the prize and the trophy goes to At Luke Avery 3, who made a video with some podcasts playing over the top of it. But we'll forgive the free booting because it was done so well. And I think it would qualify as fair use. He free booted some audio, but did it brilliantly and made a video of himself walking into the lobby of the Grenfell Centre of the Black Stump while listening to our podcast. And that's pretty special. My wife thought the video was very creepy. That was the word she used. Looking back at it a second or third time, it is a bit creepy, but I still think it's brilliant. It was impressive to see. Yeah, gray all inked to it, maybe. How well? So in a not so recent podcast, we discussed the pronunciation of St. Bernard. St. Bernard. St. Bernard. Yeah, or St. Bernard as my wife would say, in correcting me. So we had a listener from Switzerland, a native German speaker, send us in an audio file of his pronunciation. I don't know why he sent it now. He must have just listened to the podcast and felt compelled to have us hear how he thinks it should be pronounced sort of the native way. And seeing it's an audio file, I will now let Gray do time travel magic and play it to you. Here it is. Thank you for not eating it. So there you go. You just heard it. And Gray and I haven't just heard it. So we probably have not much to say. But I just thought it was really cool to have an audio file and follow up. So you want an audio feedback follow up? Yeah, I think that's something different. But don't send me your audio files to get them in the podcast. That will not happen. And I will not listen to audio files that get sent in now because I know exactly what you're all going to do. So don't even bother. I will delete anything with an audio file without listening. All right. That's just going to happen. I'm not even going to open it. He's sending a real hard line in the sand there. What if it's a really valuable audio file, though, Brady? That that line is firm. What if it's an amazing, an amazing email in audio form? Then it's just been deleted. Think about what you could be missing out on. Don't care. Don't care. Not even if someone saw the Reem and Hypothesis. You know, audio form. Right. You don't want to listen to that? No. Just the audio proof. The audio proof. No, that's going into bin. This seems unusually harsh for you. You usually have the sphere of missing out on maybe maybe something great in one of those emails. Just going to delete the audio ones. I have a fear of missing out. You're the guy who doesn't want to go to Man Everest, but will consider doing it if his friends are going and Casey misses out. I say that the value proposition there is just very different. Can I do follow up from another old podcast? This is not quite so long ago. Sure. You can do you can do you can do follow up on whatever you want. This was only a couple of podcasts ago and I just wanted to mention it because I felt like I should have last time. When I admitted that I had never consumed coffee and you were like, oh, it's amazing. And I expected all the world to be treating me like a freak. I feel like I became a a lightning rod and a standard bearer for all these non-coffee drinkers who've been in the closet for way too long. And they all came out on Twitter and emails and that saying thank you. Thank you, Brady, for saying what we've all been thinking that coffee is disgusting and it should not be consumed. And all these people saying, oh, I've never drunk. I've never had it. I actually think Dirk from Forstablia may have contacted me and said that he was anti-coffee. Dirk from Veritasium. Yeah. You don't have to correct me every time I say it incorrectly. I don't know. I don't always because sometimes you move by it so quickly. It's impossible for me to try to correct it. I think people know. I think people know now what's going on. Oh, yeah. You think so? Okay. Yeah. So anyway, can I just say fellow non-coffee drinkers and with you? I feel that I felt the love. Thank you for the love and right back at you. You're a real hero, Brady. It was really brave of you to come up with a coffee cup like that. It was big of me. It was big of me. And I feel like I've become a role model for a lot of young non-coffee drinkers out there. Someone they can aspire to and think, I too could be as old as Brady one day and had not drunk coffee. So stick with it people. Stick with it. Yeah. If you're going to have dreams, dream big. Yeah. I'm here for you. Meanwhile, I used to tell my students, you need a cup of coffee. They would all be, oh, I heard it's bad for young kids. They're going, now it's fine. It's fine. This is so much right around the corner. I will look the other way. We are once again really pleased to be sponsored by Hova. Visit Hova.com if you're in the market to register a domain name. They have them all from.com names right through to exotic ones like. .goo-ru. .engineering or maybe .church if you're in the business of setting up your own religion, for example. But in all seriousness, Hova is really easy to use. No nonsense. A professional service. Snap up all the names you need. They have great management tools, customer service and a free valet service. If you want to move your other domains to the superior Hova system. Everything simple to use, you can probably figure it out yourself, but they also have a brilliant customer support team if you want to give them a call. 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Because if I let one through, then I have to let them, well, then I have to let more through. So that's it. If you write something saying, I think Gray would find this interesting, or can you please show this to Gray? Not going to happen. And don't, and don't even try and be sneaky. And say, and start your email off with Dear Brady, I think you're really nice. I enjoy your videos. I was just thinking the other day, CGPO Gray would really like to, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that's not going to work out. I see straight through that. So it sounds like you've been getting a lot of my email. I have. You know, I go, I'm now getting journalists email me asking for interview requests with you. That's that is not going to happen. We talked about this before. I think that is like over the professional line. But you go ahead and just delete all of those. I have an email filter that I think it uses the phrase, I am a reporter from, and just automatically deletes all those anyway. So never, never feel guilty. Never feel guilty about that. Do you know what? I don't think that's over the professional line. I think if a journalist wants to contact someone, I actually think that's quite industrious of them to think, okay, I haven't got this guy's phone number. I can't seem to email him. Who else would know him? How can I get to him? I respect them for trying, you know, like I would do the same thing if I really wanted to contact someone. I have done the same thing. You know, so don't feel bad, you're an honest, you know. You weren't being unprofessional. But you did also, you did it wrong. You know, you didn't flatter me enough. Is that what your problem is? You probably needed to massage me a little bit. You probably need to say, you know, I listened to your podcast with Greg and I think you're both awesome. And I've got a specific thing for Greg. But there was none of that. It was no massaging. It was just straight to the, I hear you know him. Can you help me out? Uh-huh. No. Podcast or problems. But I think that's kind of, I think that's kind of over the line. I have been weirdly on both sides of this because there have been people who have contacted me trying to get in touch with other people that they know I know. And I always find that just, I think it's just weird. It's kind of, it's over a sort of social line. Like wait, you, you, I don't know you, but you want to use me as the end to another person. Like why would I ever do that for you person that I don't know? This just seems wrong. This seems very wrong. Well, the only way, the place where it fell down for the journalist is they, journalists, I think journalists are used to dealing with people who are impressed by journalists and who are impressed, or are impressed by the prospect of publicity. Yeah. And you and I, not to, not to humble Greg, but you and I for various reasons, I passed that point. So, so dropping an email saying, hey, I'm a journalist. And I want to speak to your friend, you know, isn't this an amazing opportunity that's fallen in your lap? Like that, that doesn't work. But I could imagine for other people that would work, it would be like, oh, well, you want to talk to my friend, are you going to put them in the paper? Oh, that's really cool. Yeah, sure, I hope you, of course, because I want my friend to be in the paper, because we all think that's really cool. But it's always just really expected. Like I'm going to just jump at this opportunity, no matter how inconvenient it is, or how it's totally unhelpful it is to me. I don't know, I just, I don't know. That's because they don't realize it's happened to a hundred times already. But, but surely they do this for a living, right? Yeah, but, yeah, but 99 out of 100 of the people they do it to, this is their one moment they're going to be in the newspaper for some reason. And like this is like, this is huge for them. And they're like, yeah, like, so usually, but of course, they, of course, journalists are also used to being ignored and slapped in the face. And you're a, you're a face slapper or an aglora and they just move on. They didn't know you were going to be one of those. And they just played, they just rolled the dice. They're not sitting there agonizing about it. They've got about a hundred of those emails out every day. Yeah, I guess, I guess that's what it is about. So I don't feel bad deleting the emails because it just, yeah, it just doesn't, it doesn't work. I don't know. Anyway, sorry reporters. I don't need to emails. I got a good email today from a famous newspaper website, those known for its free booting. And, but they're, they're savvying up a little bit. And I got this email from this woman saying, I've written a story about your, your video. That's a whole other story, but maybe we'll come to that another day. I've written a story about your video, but our newspaper has a policy of not embedding videos. Oh, yeah. YouTube. Yeah. Can we put it on our player? Here's the story I've written. So I click through to the story to have a look because I was curious. And they'd embedded the YouTube video in it. So obviously they can embed YouTube videos and do, but they just try on to see if you'll, you know, say, oh, you okay, you can put it in your player yourself. I was unimpressed. Yeah, this, this is why I like, I have yet to have, I mean, aside from you, really, I have yet to have in this course of my professional career, anything resembling a positive interaction with a reporter in any way, shape or form. It's always, it's always just boundary pushing or like they clearly already know exactly what they want to write and they're just going to try to manipulate you into a quote or, or we want to use your stuff to make money for us and then pretend like you're going to get any benefit from it. But of course, you won't. It's just, you know, thumbs down. That's, that's what I'm saying. Email, at least it's all email these days. I remember when I was court reporting on the newspaper, I, I wrote a story one day about a guy that had done some pretty dodgy stuff. And like, so I wrote the, I'd been sitting in court and I wrote the story and then I went back to the court building the next day for work and the wife of this guy, obviously knew who I was because I'd been sitting in court with a note pad and she'd waited there in the morning for me and then she came running up to me and giving me this torrent of abuse, tried to spit in my face and then let all the security guards from the court had to come and surround me and then like I got in the lift to go up to my office and they all had to get in with me and she got in the lift as well and just abused me in the lift all the way up and then they get out of the lift and then the security guards just had to take her away eventually. Why was she abusing you? Because, because I had written the story in the newspaper that had, you know, said bad things about her husband. Ah, okay. But like, I just reported what was sitting court by the lawyers. Right. And the guy had beaten up like a granny. And like, that sounds bad. I did kind of provoke a little bit as well. Oh, did you? Well, she came up to me like I was a bit stunned. I wasn't like being asked it, but I was a bit stunned and she came up to me and said, I can't believe you wrote that stuff. Did you know that he's got, you know, a kid and did you know that he does this and do you know that he cleans up his neighbor's window every day and that sort of stuff like saying what a good guy he was. And then I just said, did you know that he beat up an 80 year old woman? And that didn't calm her down. No, no, that didn't. That didn't throw some cool water on the situation. No, no, it didn't. And you knew it wouldn't either. I don't know. I wasn't doing it to be defiant. I promised you I wasn't feeling emboldened and confident. I was pretty, I was a pretty young reporter and pretty intimidated, but that that was one of those times where the line just came into my head. And I said it. Yeah. So it just happened. Nothing you could do about it. Now, speaking of being recognized, I humble bragged a little bit last episode about some public recognition problems. And following on from that, you said at the time that had never happened right and low on behold a couple of days later, I got a very interesting text from you. What happened? It was not 12 hours after we put out the last podcast that I was recognized not an official event for the first time ever. And I was recognized by my voice. And the very first thing the person said to me was your CGP Gray, which that was the funniest thing. The guy had not heard the podcast yet. He almost apologized, oh, I haven't listened to the latest podcast. I'm like, yeah, dude, it just came out last night. You know, I'd be very unlikely that you had listened to it. But I just thought after our previous conversation that that was that was very funny that the very first time I was recognized in person, it was with the words your CGP Gray. What happened? Where were you? Like, what did this person hear you saying? And like, talk, talk me through it. I was recognized for the first time in the Covent Garden Apple Store of all places in the world. And I was actually I was actually buying some stuff for Hello Internet. And I was in there. And I was trying to use their little app where you can just buy stuff in store without having to talk to someone, which is my preferred way of shopping. But where I was, I couldn't get an internet connection to work. And so I thought, oh, I have to talk to the person. And so I just grabbed this guy and you know, said, oh, can you bring up these items? And I asked him if he had a bag for things. And he did the thing that I mentioned last time I see people do sometimes when I talk to them, which is they kind of look away when I'm talking. There's like this particular, I'm trying to place this voice look. And I saw it in the guy. And this was the first time he was able to place it. He went, boom, your CGP Gray. And then so we just had a little chat for a little while. We talked about podcasts. So it was the guy saving me. Yeah, he was he was checking out the the stuff that I was buying. Well, could he not just have seen your name on your credit card or something? He was reaching under the table for the bags that they have. So I hadn't actually handed in my card yet. Wow. Anyway, so that was the first time I was recognized. Did you enjoy it? I found it really uncomfortable. Okay, so this happened to work out very well for both of us. Right? Because there's two humans in this situation. And as I mentioned many times, like I am not very social when I'm just living my normal life. However, this happened to be one of these days where I was busy going from meeting to meeting to meeting. And this was in between two other meetings. So I had already spun up the part of my brain, which is, oh, I guess I have to deal with people all day long. And so I was kind of more prepared than I would normally be under these circumstances. And plus I was already, oh, I'm talking to a person because I have requested something from him. And so I could not have been more receptive to this. So it went okay. But mostly I was just so startled that I'm not entirely sure really what happened. We just, you know, we just chatted for a little while, like I said, but did he ask for like an order guy for a gray fee or anything like that? No, no. I would feel really weird if people asked for selfies. I think that's, I'm kind of with the Louis CK opinion on this one that it's just, it's like a weird, it's a weird, not normal, human interaction when people ask for selfies. I'll link to this Louis CK video. I don't know if you've seen that. It's the new autograph isn't it? Like selfies though. It's like, it's just replaced autographs. Yeah, but I think that I think autograph thing is weird too. I, I don't if you think you know, yeah, fair enough if you think they're weird then fair enough. I mean, again, this is just like I'm just, I'm just the worst person to have any kind of internet fame at all because I was like, I really like my job, but I do, I do kind of look, look at fame as a real downside of the job. It's, it's, it's just weird and it puts me in a lot of weird situations. So this happened to be totally fine, but yeah, I think it was partly fine because he didn't say, oh, can I get your autograph or, oh, hey, meet the other people in the store or hey, can I take a picture with you? It was as normal of an interaction as it could possibly be between two humans. So I think that's also partly why it went well. So it was, it was a very good meeting to be my first meeting in public. He treated you gently for your first time? Yes, he did. He treated me gently. Sounds like a good one. There. It's funny. I guess I'm a little sensitive this sometimes because even when I was a teacher, being a teacher is, is kind of like being a very, very small scale celebrity. And something that would happen to me when I was teaching is if I was just out with my wife sometimes, students would see us and it's just like yell from across the street, you know, Mr. Gray and they'd come running over and you'd have just this bizarre interaction. And I think teachers in a way who live near where their students are have a tiny view into what real celebrity life is like for super famous people of like, you're just walking along and you can't, you can't have a normal day out. People are just going to yell at you from across the street and come running up and then be really weird and awkward. That's partly why I'm more sensitive to than to this than most of the people I know because I feel like I've had a tiny taste of it in my previous job. Can I bring up a quick serious thing? Yeah. Just on the subject of teachers because I just, it just happened today and I wanted to bring it up for just because it was on my mind. I had a, I had a teacher a long time ago. He was my year seven school teacher and he's the teacher I think in many ways that was most memorable to me and it was about a month or two ago actually. I decided to Google him and find out, you know, I would ever happen to him. What's he up to these days? This is not the teacher that I made video, I video about on periodic videos by the way. This is a different teacher. As my year seven teacher, anyway, today I went on Facebook and I found out that he just died. He just, just very, well, I don't know in the last few days I guess and someone posted it, I saw, they saw his picture in my Facebook feed and it was the first time I've seen him since year seven and and Pete, someone had written Mr McCarthy, that was his name, has died and wrote a little tribute to him and then all the other students that have had him, all wrote tributes to him and I wanted to say, rest in peace, Mr McCarthy. He was a really memorable teacher. He was really memorable for a different reason though. He was the strictest disciplinarian you could ever imagine. He was notorious for it and in fact, he was, he was a little bit, he was a little bit violent and I don't think you would get away with doing what he did in many circumstances because of how strict and how strict he was but he really instilled a real amazing discipline in his students and he just tore and ran a class like no other teacher in that whole school to the point where when people found out about him, there was politicking and lobbying to try and get your, your kid into Mr McCarthy's year seven class other than the other year seven classes because it was, it would really change your life and it really changed my life having him as a teacher. Not least of which I'm a very accomplished juggler because of Mr McCarthy. Anyone who was taught by Mr McCarthy is a very skillful juggler and that was also in the comments on Facebook, it would always end with, and he taught me to juggle, he taught everyone to juggle, he thought it was an important skill and there you go. Mr McCarthy, you just died. Teachers make a mark, you know. Some teachers make their mark. Yeah. Not all teachers. I mean, how many teachers have you had? I don't know, but you know what? I could probably name them all and I can't name there's a lot of people I've met in my life but I could probably name most of my teachers. I think you can name the ones that you can remember. So you feel like you can name them all. Fair enough. We're not, we're not actually going to do this, but I would, no, you're way overestimating how many teachers you actually remember versus how many teachers you've had. Do you feel like you're one of those teachers? Are they, are they going to be kids out there in 20 years that are talking about Mr Gray? I don't, I don't know. That's, I feel like that's not, that's not for me to judge. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. That was an awkward question. I'm sorry. You can't answer that. But what are you reckon? I mean, I can, I can, do you want that? Do you want to be that? Like, is that what teachers aspire to be? Do you want, like, to teachers aspire to be spoken about in 20 years, like I'm talking about Mr McCarthy or I'm just a nice key. I mean, I think that's the kind of thing that keeps you going in a difficult job is people like to think that. I was never aiming for that in my teaching career. My opinion on this is it is just good to expose kids to lots of different kinds of adults. Right. So you mentioned you're Mr McCarthy. He was, he was a very strict disciplinarian. Right. And lots of schools have someone who's a strict disciplinarian. Lots of schools have teachers who are really laid back teachers who are really into their subject teachers who aren't. I think it's good for kids just to interact with a whole bunch of different adults because kids just will click with one kind or another. And that's something I was kind of aware of as a teacher that you can see how, and after a couple of years, particularly in a school when you know a bunch of kids, like I was aware that there were kids who kind of reacted very well to my style of teaching who didn't react well to other teachers and vice versa. So I think it's almost like it's not dependent on the teacher. It's dependent on the particular interaction between the kind of kid and the kind of teacher. I mean, we've talked about this before. This is like I would not like to lie to my students so I would tell them things like, oh, you're never going to need any of this ever again, which some kids would find horrifying and react very badly to, but certain kinds of kids would react exceedingly well to that. So it just do you think that would have been your was that you're like us P was that what Mr. Gray, Mr. Gray is the guy that you know tells it like it is or tells the truth or treats us like adults like like do that do the teachers know what they are like you talked about disciplinarians Oh yeah, the teachers totally know who they are. So which are you, which are you, what were you? My my feeling was very much like we're all in this prison together and we like we like there's things we all have to do and let's just get through this together. So I never hid from the kids like my delight in snow days. I never I never hid from them like oh when things go wrong with the school sometimes like with assemblies and things like oh it's kind of delightful. So that's that's kind of that's kind of the teacher that I was and I tried not to build stuff up that wasn't actually important and I know that that work with some kids because more than a few times there were there were had to put this but there was a certain kind of kid who when they were thinking about universities and future jobs they would come talk to me because they wanted some advice about the working world from a teacher who wasn't just going to say like oh do what you love because you know I made it pretty clear that I thought that was just terribly dumb advice. Did being there buddy underman your author? No I want to be really clear here. I want to be really clear here. I was not a buddy and I kept it a very clear distance but it doesn't hurt at all to be able to say like I don't want to be here and you don't want to be here but we're all still here but that doesn't mean that like we're friends nothing spells death for teachers and I hate to say it as well for parents than like wanting to be buddies and friends with a kid. It is just absolute death teachers that really want to be liked by the kids. I was always pretty indifferent in many ways to the kids like I wanted them to do well I didn't wish them ill but I wasn't I wasn't friends with the kids. I mean the kids never believe me but I would always tell them they'd be like oh you'll remember us forever at the end of the year the kids were always pushing this like you'll remember us forever aren't we a really special group and I would always say no I probably won't remember you very well in a couple years and they go oh no it's not true you'll remember us it's like well actually no it's it's years later and I don't remember the vast majority of my students like that's that's just the way it is. I remember when I went back and saw Mr. Danisky who was my year 1112 physics chemistry teacher and we made a video with him for periodic videos I went back with the professor and we went to my old classroom and spoke to him and one of the things that did strike me was how little he remembered of me like the professor I think asked him some leading questions like oh you taught Brady and now he makes these chemistry videos what was he like as a student and I thought he'd you know he'd descend into the miss of time and pull out all these crazy anecdotes of things I used to do and little mannerisms I had that he used to like or funny things all he remembered was that I was a kid that broken arm on a camp that he was on yeah that's pretty much what he remembered about me yeah that's exactly and he and he was friends with my mum my mum was a teacher at the school I thought that would at least give me a helping hand but he he he really did not seem to remember much about me and I thought like you know I thought we had this friendship forged in blood that couldn't be broken sort of like fame it's this weird asymmetric relationship where kids have far fewer teachers than teachers have students that they're that they're looking out for and actually I should tell you up how many kids I actually taught over my career but you know it's hundreds of kids and if I sat down now and tried to write the names of kids that I had taught I'm not sure I could hit 10 kids like that I would remember by name you know I'm like actually put a face to to them and remember something more than just their name but it was funny that kids always expected that they would be immortalized forever in my memory and honest to God like after a summer I would forget some of the kids you know I'd I'd be I'd teach the same class in like year nine and they'd come back in year 10 and I'd have to bring out my old flashcards with their face and their name you know to get ready for the year coming out like oh god who is this okay flip through flip through write this person this person this person you know I don't know who these people are yeah well it's a good thing I broke my arm on that camp because that's how I got burned in his memory yeah it's the only it's the only broken bone I've ever had on that camp that I run and it was Brady but you know I was I was like the head boy of the school I was like you know he was in charge of discipline so like I thought you know all these things and it's like you know no doesn't matter I used to tell parents at parents evening which by the way I did I really I always really liked parents evening it was kind of fun talking to the parents but particularly whatever the first parents evening was it would be like six weeks into the year it was absurdly soon and it was just impossible to actually know who the kids were but my standard line to the parents was always like look if I don't know who your kid is at this meeting right now and I'm just referring to 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nice thing i can't go to any of these places anymore now this is this crazy gray that's that's what community is about this is what a community is people's people people people long for that people now say whatever happened to the good old days where people knew each other by face and name and knew what each other liked and you're you're lucky lucky you are getting a taste of that in a big city like london and you're turning it back on it oh there's i i i i luckily there are many Starbucks by me but i have already burned through a couple of them where they recognize me as the person i figure as soon as i walk in there and they know what drink i want before i order it i have to go somewhere else now i can't i can't go here anymore and i have to wait until it's long enough that they've forgotten who i am or there's a there's a change of staff that's why why surely mr efficiency would see the efficiency no no no because look i'm look i'm from all i can think of for example is delis in new york if you go to order a deli sandwich in new york even if you go to the same place every day the guy behind the counter will barely acknowledge who you are even if he sees you all the time because they are great about actually moving the line like we've got to keep making these egg bagels all morning buddy you know we don't have time to chat about anything and they just keep moving you through so there there can be a little bit of efficiency like all right here yeah two eggs and bacon cheese on a roll sesame roll great boom done you know move down there pay for it pick it up what i find is is like in several of the cafes or in the pubs as soon as they know you as the regular they want to have like a little chat now and so there's the go oh how how is your day doing and that that is like oh god please let's not do this so that's what you're running away from social interaction let's not have a pretend conversation about how my day is and then i ask you how your day is and we have to like can't we just stand here in silence while you know you run my credit card or i order the food or something isn't that much better where we both kind of like look away from each other and sort of pretend like we're not there well that's not a good attitude gray so basically you're thinking oh this is good i'll just go through 50,000 credit card transactions and then i'll die not having spoken to anyone or shared the joy of my time on earth with other human beings if i'm getting a sandwich i just want to get the sandwich and i just want to sit down i don't want to have here's the thing it can't be a real it's never going to be a real social interaction between you and the other person so it has to be this like horribly painful pretend social interaction and that is just starts but maybe over five or six years it would develop into something else no no it can't possibly it can't possibly no it's not gonna happen so i have to change places when i get recognized well i walk the dogs at the park at the garden every morning and i think it's wonderful yes you get to know people and they get to know your dogs and oh look how it's all a dream how she doing oh i saw her dog a week ago and she was playing with a black dog and and like you have little chats and you walk along next to each other for a few meters and you comment on the weather or the car parking or the trees and i i i love it that is also that is also an entirely different scenario because you're walking the dog it's you're kind of explicitly on a break to interact with people i could see i could see walking a dog through a park and talking to people and meeting with okay that's that's fine that's kind of different but it's it's the it's the pretend social interaction at a kind of commercial exchange i want to get my drink and give you money for it and then get on with whatever i'm doing is just as fast as humanly possible that's that's what i'm that's what i'm there for i used to go to this bar and notting him and at the time my drink was gin and tonic and i used to go there quite a lot and they always put like a lime in your gin and tonic and for some reason i don't like that i like it being put in there just to give it a bit of lime maybe but they would always make my gin and tonic and then i will just take out the lime between my finger and my thumb and just leave it on the bar and then just like walk off and have my drink and that happened so much they got to know that so they just stopped making my gin and tonic with a lime which i thought was you know good and i'll never forget one day i was there at the bar and it was packed and there were you know hundreds of people ordering drinks and i ordered a gin and tonic and there was a new woman working working behind the bar and she made my gin and tonic and she put a lime in it and one of the other bar tenders leaned across to her and said he doesn't have limes in his gin and tonics and i actually really liked that like it was like it's like ultimate customer service like you know this is so this is awesome you know they even know how i like my drink and if they'd and if one of the others does it wrong it's like self-correcting as well like i quite liked it and yes it did mean i went there too often but i liked it if i could just get the benefits without the downsides i would be i would be on board with this as well if i didn't have to actually order if i could just boop you know pay for it and they'd have the thing that'd be great because i am a creature of habit so i do stuff the same all the time but yeah whenever i'm whenever i'm recognized it's like oh i can't come here for a while anymore and i'm running out of places this is the problem i think that's really sad and i think you shouldn't feel that way but let me tell you a story that you will feel the saddest about then okay a while back at what used to be my closest Starbucks i happened to be online i was gonna get coffee as i normally do and the dude ahead of me online was one of these people who there's a very good good saying in life which is if everybody around you is an asshole you're actually the asshole right where it's like if absolutely everybody else seems to be causing you problems you're the problem and this guy was just you could just tell right away he's one of these people who was just a jerk and but he thinks everybody else is a jerk and so he got into a disagreement with the guy behind the counter at the Starbucks over some nonsense like the credit card transaction or whatever it was i can't quite remember the details anymore but it was one of these cases where the dude was clearly in the wrong and the Starbucks guy was doing everything he could to possibly playcafe this person but the guy ended up being like okay i know i happen to work at this big company and give me your name and i'm going to i like i know the managers at Starbucks i'm going to contact them and tell them how terrible you are blah blah blah so he kicked this big fuss and after he left i told the Starbucks guy oh hey why don't why don't you give me your name as well give me an email address so i can write to them and say look i was online i saw this altercation and this guy was totally just a jerk and the manager handled it very well which was the case i took his email i took his name and his email address and i wrote it in and it actually was like a thing like Starbucks wrote back and said oh thanks yes we had a report from this other person apparently like something actually happened and then from that point on this guy in Starbucks was the nicest guy in the world to me every time i went in he would make sure that everybody else put my drink right to the front of the line like and it all like like oh god i just i don't want i don't want this special treatment i don't want this special treatment please don't do this and he was just super super friendly and i eventually figured out what days he works he works there on Fridays and on the weekends and as far as i know i haven't been back to that Starbucks and i think about two and a half years now on a Friday or a weekend i pass by it all the time i still see him in there but i always feel like nope if it's Friday or the weekend i'm going to the further one i just i can't do it so the the bottom line of this is that no good deed goes unpunished i think is the moral of the story professor mike merifield how you know enough met a few times yes he's in a bunch he's in some of my videos he was telling me a story he he has his local garage he goes where he where he gets fuel or gas for our american friends and he was in there one time paying for his petrol and the place got held up a guy came in with a gun held up the place you know rob you know you know police came all that sort of stuff no one was hurt but the guy behind the counter got held up and mike was in store at the time he was like the the innocent bystander witness and mike was saying he he still goes back to that garage all the time and bias fuel and every time that guy serves him and they see each other this kind of this this sort of weirdness between them that i'm the guy that was standing in the corner at the time you got held up with the gun and this is there's a real awkward dynamic between them that won't go away and they're kind of it's always going to be there because they they went through this thing together right and they don't know each other or anything you know they don't know each other they were just the two guys in the room when they when the gunman came in i could never go back yeah i think that that's that's uh that's follow up all done oh good good in just just on the hour oh perfect think i might cut down some of the stuff in the beginning but yeah i think maybe yeah i hope so yeah i think it took us a little long to get actually started we were ladies and gentlemen if you're listening to this podcast and it's been going for an hour gray has not done his job editing yeah i think i think we have a good 10 minutes at least to probably cut out of the beginning of us going oh let's talk about thing in a really boring way yeah let's see well we'll see how it goes oh i'm sorry that time i hit the microphone i hope you keep that in i i i i'll keep that in i'll keep that in let's move on uh now i i didn't want to mention this but if i don't mention it people will ask about it playing crash corner i know you don't like it playing crash corner is this is like i just saw on twitter people were saying there's like some horrible print link crash you don't need to talk about it this is this is this is what i think people need to realize like i don't even you know what the point of playing crash corner is i don't really understand why it exists and how it started you're the only one who's doing it yeah no you're the one loading coal into this engine and going like yeah i don't know about this but that has been pushing this for you i just want to bring up playing crash corner to let people know we're not going to do playing crash corner today we don't have to talk about every horrible playing crash that happens yeah thank god yeah so we're not gonna okay great by the way i also will hold up my hands now and acknowledge what a tremendous mistake it was of me to ask everyone who wasn't on a plane to send us a tweet to say that they weren't on a plane mm-hmm yeah yeah you thought it was like a funny joke at the time i didn't i didn't think people would take it so seriously i thought people would listen and have a chuckle and think imagine if people did that wouldn't it be funny and like get on with their life i didn't think they would then take out their device and write the tweet yeah i mean i mean i i don't want to be i don't want to be overly dramatic here but you basically made my twitter unusable for a day and a half i've just just so many at replies of just like oh god um if if i was going to be on twitter more i would have had to set up an actual filter uh you know to try to like clear all of this all of this stuff but you can't have a podcast with as many listeners as we have now and ask them all like every single one of them to tweet at you but you know what the real but since when since when do they do everything i say okay can i just say to all the people out there listening can you also please subscribe to my number file youtube channel and periodic videos and 60 symbols and sign up to my patreon and the hello internet patreon and donate vast sums of money to us yeah but they're not all going to go do that now are they yeah because sending a tweet is funny and it takes two seconds of course they're going to do it well it was a mistake i'm sorry Greg but you know what you're going to have to live with this mistake for forever because just like just like we got the same Bernard feedback from episode four or whatever right people who listen chronologically for the rest of time are going to tweet at us when they get to that point and go oh i'm not on a plane right now it's it's five years in the future or a hundred years in the future and we're dead and we're still getting tweets from people about how they're not on airplanes that's what you've done or maybe like airplanes when existing anymore and people will be like well of course i'm not on a plane yeah they don't have an existence since the year 2040 yeah this is this will never end now so actually can't can't you go back and you can go back and edit the podcast retrospectively they can't you can't you just cut that bit out that yeah you can't rewrite history that that particular podcast for various reasons wasn't editing disaster that i don't even want to talk about so it would actually be relatively difficult for me to cut that out but i might have to at some point if it's any consolation it was worse for me because you did it's not i don't care it's not any consolation the fact that it was worse for you doesn't make me feel any better that you got what you deserve is what that is i wish it was a hundred times worse for you are you being are you being mean to me Gray because you know what you know your mom told you to be nice to me she did she told me that i should be nicer to Brady no she didn't she said that you were good because you were nice to me in the last podcast yes that's that that was the feedback from my mom was that she likes it when i'm nice to you and she doesn't like it when i'm not nice to you well that's been nice to Brady then let's say something nice come on i like doing the podcast with you Brady all right that's what i want to do here even if you cause me trouble on twitter i do i do i do cause you a lot of problems you do you do i i'm like that if it's any consolation i'm like i'm like that with everyone in my life yeah i somehow i didn't think this was unique to me and we'll go this is just for me this is special you go take the rough with the smooth yeah i guess so well seeing we're not going to do plan crash corner uh-huh how about we do i phone corner with cgp gray oh see now this now this is a corner i can get excited for go on then we know how everyone loves it when we talk about apple products especially people especially all those android users because it's especially useful for them because they know less about apple products so it's like more informative for them yes they're the ones who like it most i imagine it is it is extra it is extra happy for android users oh man i've gotten so much just as a slight side note here i've gotten so much angry android email from people uh because of my last video i mentioned or two videos ago i mentioned that i was putting the video up on iTunes and rss but it was like iTunes was some kind of trigger word where they couldn't possibly hear the fact that that rss existed for them as well i was just flooded with emails from angry people about they can't believe that i'm supporting apple and why won't i put it on the google store and aah it's like oh dude half the video was about how it's on rss as well i made a special point about art but i swear it's like people's brains just turned off as soon as they heard art i know iTunes it was just maybe maybe basically you said hey cgp grey talking really really fast here and did you know that my videos are going to be on iTunes and they pressed pause wrote the email and then unpaused and then you said and rss says and they were like oh well i didn't get a one apology email if that was the case but i got that'll that'll teach me if i'm ever going to mention something that is on apple and something else i'm going to reverse it and say it's on something else and apple right that's that's the way i'm going to have to do it if i don't want to get just so many angry angry people but anyway that's that's a side point here so for all those people we're going to talk about our iPhones now uh go on then you okay that'll be happy to hear me talk about it because you know how i feel about my i4 yes so we have we have revisited this topic many times because you and i have both been frustrated with our iPhone 6s since they came out i think it's fair to say yeah i presume that you still feel resentful i think was the last word you used to describe uh your feelings towards your iPhone was that the case yeah yeah i just kind of i kind of feel about the iphone the way you do about that go on Starbucks i kind of i'd prefer to avoid it when i came now perfect perfect i'm back yeah so here's here's the situation with me here's why i'm bringing this up um i kept dealing with my wife's iPhone 5 and as i've mentioned every time i picked it up i thought it was like a little a little happy sound from heaven descended upon me when i picked up her iPhone 5 and i was like oh this is just the right size i can use it in my hand and i've tried everything i like the d brand case that's the best i tried using it without a case i've tried absolutely everything but i kept just finding myself like you just not liking the phone just just how it's the wrong size i kept picking up my wife's old iPhone and thinking this size is really good and so i thought i have to make a change here you did not i can't i can't live like this anymore tell me tell me you didn't did you what do you think i did have you gone down to a 5s i actually went up to a 6 plus idiot did you just call me an idiot yeah 6 plus okay so okay so listen listen hold on hold on i kept picking up my wife's old phone and really liking it did you realize that smaller than your phone right we do let me finish we've let me finish here go on but so i also every single time i walked by an apple store i would look at the 6 plus and every time i would look at the 6 plus i thought this phone is just ridiculous it's like a boat it's so huge it doesn't make any sense but but the i kept being aware of the fact that i kept looking at the 6 plus and i've been doing this ever since it came out right for for months now since september and the you know so my frustrations just kept growing with the regular 6 and i was coming to a point where i thought i'm gonna have to do something about this because i just don't like this phone but i'm i was afraid about apple just never making a smaller phone again like okay well i don't i don't want to do that like step backwards in technology and then well apples left anyway on their rocket spaceship to the future and they're not dealing with smaller phones so what are you going to do use a 5 until the end of time no you're not so while all of this was going on i was just trying to think about well what to do a friend of mine mike hurley who runs the excellent relay podcast network here in london mike has been pushing the 6 plus from the very start and trying to get everybody on the 6 plus train and i've been listening to him talk about this on podcasts for a while and i've been listening to him talk about it in person when we've met up a couple of times and i thought you know what you know what i'm going to give it a try there's a 14 day return policy i'm gonna take mike's advice i'm gonna buy the 6 plus and just try using it for a little while to see how it is and i'm here to say that mike was right and i love my 6 plus i am totally on board with this phone in in just the way that you should be with an apple product i have no ambivalence about it whatsoever and i should have gotten the 6 plus right from the start so what about i guess you don't talk on your phone a lot though what about when you hold it up to your face and it's like pressing a dinner plate up against your ear i almost never talk on the phone well if you never talk on it as a phone i start to see the sense in it because then it's just becoming a small ipad okay but if you want to use it as a phone or if you're an action man who's hard as nails and you know gets out and about and does things you've got this huge massive rectangle when you pocket while you're crawling around under cars and climbing mountains and things right right i just don't i just it's okay if it's just you sitting in Starbucks who uses it like an ipad anyway but i think for people who want to use a phone as a phone i'm not buying it but anyway keep talking no no but it's interesting because i actually use my phone almost entirely in transit because i have an ipad with me lots of times when i'm working or if i'm going out for the day so it's not like i'm sitting down like if i'm going to work i'll take out the actual ipad and if i'm at home i'll use my computer or an ipad so i still use my phone very much the way i used to use my old one which is in between locations but what i find is you have hit on the exact point which i think makes it very very palatable which is the iphone 6 my brain thought like this is just it's just the wrong size it's just a little too big to type kind of comfortably i can't quite use things one-handed it's all frustrating but my brain treats the six plus as like oh this is a micro ipad yeah and i feel like my since my brain has entirely different expectations all of the frustrations of the phone are gone because some part of my brain is just keep thinking oh this isn't a phone this is a this is an ipad micro of course you wouldn't try to use it in the same one-handed reach the screen everywhere way that you would with phone because it's not a phone it's a tiny ipad and and it sounds silly but that has completely changed my experience and i can imagine i can imagine i can imagine that because it's like the six hasn't quite decided what it wants to be yeah and and that causes me problems because i think i said to you another time when i'm using it it's like i have it's like i have like cognitive problems using it like i used to be really quick at using my right you know five and i'd press this and do that and move this and when i use this one it's like i'm like what am i doing what am i pressing and it's like i'm it's like i'm drunk every time i use it yes and and i think it's just because i can't you know it's not because i have changed it's just that it makes me it makes me dumb i had a similar experience which is the typing is frustrating or doing other things are frustrating and so the big change with the with the six plus is that i use it two-handed way more because it's it's just bigger but the experience is much better because when i'm holding like i can take out that i actually can use the six plus one handed just but the vast majority of the time there's something on the screen and you're holding the phone and your brain just says well you can't possibly hit that button in the top corner this is what your other hand is for right so your brain brings your other hand around and you press the button and it's a satisfactory experience whereas on the iphone six everything is just reachable but in a clumsy way or you know you have to try to manipulate one handed to do it in a very awkward way so the experience is terrible every time but you can just do stuff i use the iphone plus two handed walking around all the time and i absolutely love it so i have to say if there's anybody out there who was like incredibly frustrated with their iphone six the six plus that is that is the way of the future try it just this is my recommendation is put away your old phone and just use the iphone six exclusively for a while and you will get used to it so quickly the six plus yeah that's all right yeah sorry the six plus is what i mean yeah you will get you will get used to the six plus so quickly if you put away your iphone six and don't use it for a little while and just last week is i think i've had i think i've had the phone for about three weeks or a month now and just a week ago i picked up my wife's phone that i hadn't happened to touch for a while and that was the moment i knew that i had made the right decision because i picked up my wife's phone and i thought i could never use something this small again and it was it was no more ambivalence it was like no i'm on i'm on the right path with my apple decision and the other thing i like about this is that i'm now on the same page with the kind of decisions that apple makes where apple likes stuff every year to make it thinner and lighter which i always found frustrating with the phones because i thought i want more battery but the iphone six plus does have more battery and now my primary concern is yes apple let's make this phone a little smaller a little thinner and a little lighter and i'm happy to keep the battery life the same because it is noticeably longer with the battery so i am i'm very very happy i happen to have a really a really intense day with the phone because i had a kind of overnight trip that i had to do and so i was just incredibly active on the phone one particular day i was amazed that i made it through the entire day without having to charge it and my old iphone would have never made it i would have been stranded halfway through trying to find an apple store to buy a charger but the six plus had enough battery to last me through a whole bunch of ubers and video and photos and email and a bunch of stuff so i uh i absolutely love it how come you've had an iphone six plus for a month and haven't told me uh i just it has it has it has it ever been relevant to any of our conversations has it ever come up no because you didn't tell me i thought i was also partly just trying it out but but i feel like you always want a lot of information from me Brady do you want to know all of my new purchases no not all of them do you want to know what i bought at the apple store time yeah i bought uh i bought a tripod and a little uh attachable lens for the phone is that is that exciting to you is that interesting yeah what you're gonna film well what i'm actually gonna try to film is stuff for hello internet i filmed a couple things since we're so far behind on the youtube version i thought oh i can try this little tripod and a nice lens to see if i can get a couple of like time-lapse city shots to use uh to upload for the youtube channel but i thought we were doing like office toys and things you're thinking of moving away from all those little desk toys and that on the youtube channel all i know is that the videos come from you very slowly so i thought i'd take things into my own hands well you never ask me you're very good to ask i okay this is gonna be high on your priority list right now i'm not even sure that it should well i can't now because i'm about to go away but okay all right so what other purchases of mine would you like to know what have i bought recently that Brady should know about i think an iPhone 6 plus counts is one you should tell me about considering i'm like a guy you talk about iPhones with all the time we're talking about it right now all right i hope you're not keeping secrets just so we can talk about them on the podcast i'm not i'm not keeping secrets just so we can talk about them on the podcast do you know who i also didn't tell my wife she didn't notice that i had a new phone for i think it was 10 days before she finally spotted it she she came home and i actually had both phones in front of me because i was transferring stuff from one to the other and she happened to not notice and then i thought oh i wonder how long it will take her to not notice and the answer was about 10 days and what does she didn't say oh she was just really interested and she was also shocked she couldn't believe that i that i bought it but but yeah she was like you bought a new phone and you didn't tell me i thought well you didn't notice it first and now i was just interesting to see how long this was going to take i had a funny incident a couple of nights again with my wife where i couldn't wait i had must tell you about it and it made me because i just know how disapproving you would have been and how it was something it was finally something my wife and i do have an appointment when it comes to technology she was sitting on the sofa trying to do something and she had an app open on her iPad and i think she like had another app maybe calculator or something on her phone and she was like trying to hold them both at the same time and like transferring information between the two like reading it off one and typing it into the other and the typing back and and i was like why don't you just go and get your laptop she's got like a map of care why don't you just go and get that you know you realize you can have two applications open at the same time on that rather than this weird scenario where she was just holding two screens in either hand and she was like oh i would accept it's like full and every time i open a message comes up saying it's full oh the hard drive thing yes yeah so like instead of like dealing with that she's just stopped using that altogether and now she's just using her like her phone and iPad is that you know as her two windows that she can move between and i thought that's that's Miguel that's something i would do yeah that does that sounds exactly like something you would do yeah so i was like yeah anyway are you gonna get a six plus that's all i want to know what do you well no because i can't convince you i it does it does sound convincing the only thing i remain unconvinced by though is like wearing a nice pair of fashionable trousers and a shirt out at a bar and having this whopping great rectangle like a miniature football field sticking out of my trousers you know i i i just think it fits in my pocket just it's in my jeans and it just fits in my jeans and i am aware that if it moves to the front to the front of the leg that i've developed this habit of kind of pushing it to the side unconsciously before i sit down if it's right on the front of my leg because then it is a little too big but i if you try it i really think you will see that it is not as big as you think it is once you use it for a little bit yeah i just don't know i don't i just think i use my phone differently to you as well though like i want to be able to just hold it in one hand and quickly just pick something i thought i thought i was this guy as well in a one-handed usage was was hugely important to me and it turns out that i can i can get by just fine well okay but your phone is modifying your behavior so like shouldn't the shouldn't the phone suit the behavior we want like should the phone change us yeah yeah but i have i have made small sacrifices in one-handed use which turns out to be not as important as i thought it was for huge advantages in all other in all other regions so it seems like it's a great it's a great trade-off to me this is you know like like we've said in the podcast before you want to you want to pick something to amplify and if you want one-handed use you have to buy a a five or the the four-inch phone like the iPhone five style if if you want one-handed use that is the phone that you should buy and if you're willing to let that go the six plus gives you huge advantages but i am more more convinced that the six is the phone for nobody it's the in-between phone that has all of the disadvantages of both and that's why we have both found it so frustrating over the past several months i also love the horizontal mode i mean i've i've always wanted to use my phone in horizontal and so i use this one in horizontal just all the time and the apps rotate it is just the greatest it is just the greatest and i you know i can do real work on this phone in a way that i wouldn't do a mother phone i'm i love it i really recommend it like was right i just want the technology just go away a bit right you sound so grumpy over there Brady you sound so grumpy um i'm having a bit of a technology fatigue day to be honest i think i i think a nice six plus would really fix that for you no do you know what's gonna fix it for me what a week on a beach in Australia oh yes you're upcoming trip hmm that's gonna fix it can't come soon enough i guess well actually it's coming a bit too quickly now i can't go to my work done but that's another story yes this is the this is the problem with being self-employed is oh my vacation i have to pay for that in advance and i will pay for it still with interest even when i come back yes yeah that's what that's what my wife always says she says going away for a week for you's all well and good but it's not just going away for a week it's then two or three weeks of pain afterwards yes so you and i have both been preparing for trips at the end of this month and i i have had this this trip coming up for me on my got to get ready for a list for six weeks now do you know just to have everything set up in advance and it is just being self-employed has many many advantages but carefree vacations is definitely not one of them it's definitely not one of them well this episode has also been sponsored by our really good friends audible.com what 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once again supporting the show i feel like we should talk about the solar eclipse that just happened um but i haven't got that much to say about it and i can't imagine you're going to be much help you you already know what i have to say about this what if you where were you for uh i happen to actually be online at the us embassy waiting to get into the world's unfriendly is building to do some fun tax paper work when the eclipse happened and i wouldn't have even known if it if it wasn't for like oh yeah is there an eclipse going on now and then checking the time on my phone and saying oh it's happening right now and looking up at the sky which in London was completely clouded over and trying to convince myself that oh i guess it was a bit dimmer so that was my experience with the eclipse it was never cooler it did feel cooler like up for those for those listening pretty much were gray and i both were it wasn't a total eclipse so it was in the sort of 80s to 90% of the sun covered you had to go further north to get totality but i got i got a good look at it and i got out the eclipse goggles and my camera and everything and i managed to i enjoyed it um the best part of the eclipse for me was the adorable photograph of Audrey that you sent me with her wearing her eclipse glasses that was the whole eclipse the alignment of the sun and the moon was worth it for that adorable doggie photo i have to say i love i think the clips is a brilliant i went i went and saw one in china a few years back and it remains one of my best work memories like oh yes oh yeah it was they are an extraordinary thing to see if you if you get a good look at one properly and it's nothing like on tv or videos or pictures it they are yeah if you ever get a chance to experience one and our american friends will get a chance to experience one in two years a really good one um don't miss out don't miss out they're they're amazing and they're just special things aren't they they're like do you not get a bit caught up by the romance of them i can definitely get behind in eclipse i think it's the mathematics of it is is interesting i think we we happened to have this lucky ratio in sizes between our sun and our moon yeah just by coincidence so i i can appreciate that but the actual reality of standing in london on a cloudy day waiting on a bureaucratic line and looking up at the sky and wondering if it's a bit darker that experience was was less than less than awe inspiring yeah that's not the fairy tale is it no it's not anyway america 2017 where it was the best place it it pretty much rips through the whole country right through the guts uh so you can take it out wide though well it's not that wide no you've got to get under you've got to get on the line that's why i'm asking where is that where is the line well hang on let me call it up there's a few there are also places where it lasts longer than other places america as you may have learned is very big we even have different weather in different locations in our i have i i i i i i told you about that last podcast don't pretend that you are the one who figured that out oh that's true i did not figure that out i needed you to tell me are you on what's your 7 000 mile long country as different weather i'll send you an i message the path that there's 2017 eclipse takes uh 2017 but it's kind but it's kind of around i think it's kind i think we'll still be doing the podcast in 2017 can we have eclipse follow up in that time i wonder if we'll still be doing it i don't know i don't know uh do you think it was do you think it was to be going in 2017 i think it i don't know i don't know i don't know either let's see south carolina tenisee mizuri right across the this this is going across some pretty unpopulated areas the braska this that's that section of Wyoming man that is an empty empty section of Wyoming i think the eclipse is going across you kind of you kind of need to choose where to go based on sort of weather as well though so and i think it's more over to the to the west where the weather forecast is probably better so it looks it looks like the residents of charleston south carolina are probably the luckiest residents of a big place oh and how many yeah in between uh Eugene and portland but neither of those cities actually itself or it'll be worth it'll be worth a look i expect i will be over there for that maybe you link in the braska uh oh yeah yeah i reckon i reckon you will be too i'm going to put a bit on that that you will be in america for the 2017 eclipse oh why for the eclipse or i will just happen to be in america at the time for the i think i think you will have a trip to coincide with the eclipse mainly because i think between now and then something will probably be organized that you get on board with do you know something that i don't know it sounds like you have plans uh i don't actually i'm having a meeting this week to discuss possible plans but i don't have any specific plans but are you sure destined has an arranged some kind of crazy moving follow the eclipse events i destined to probably on the moon for it but no i know i know he has plans he has plans with the mate if he's already we spoke about it the other day he's he's he's got plans with a mate but of course he does of course he's planned ahead for this yeah so uh anyway there you go 2017 can't wait yeah maybe we'll have follow up then yep remind us internet if we forget yeah yeah um so another thing that has been going on that lots of people have been asking about is this new video service called vessel yes Henry of Minute Physics Minute Earth and Deak of Vitabium Derek of Eritaxian have both announced that they are on it they're going to be involved and you can get first look at their videos through this new subscription service and it's this kind of possible rival alternative to YouTube and there's lots of excitement you know more about it than me like with most things do you want to explain to people what's going on and whether they should be excited or interested i guess you have to you have to be pretty positive about it don't you because two of our best mates are using it but i did ask today on twitter if there were things that people wanted us to talk about and i partly wanted to gauge if there was actual interest in vessel and everybody everybody wanted to know about vessel so i feel i feel we have some kind of obligation to talk about it and full disclosure i guess it's not under nd a or anything but some people at vessel did reach out to me a while ago and we had some talks about possibly being on the platform which obviously i'm not on there now so i decided not to do it but so yes i have i have talked to some people at vessel just i don't know if i'm not quite sure we need to disclose stuff but i'll just mention that at the start of this conversation so i i have to say when i first heard about vessel i thought boy this is an interesting idea and this has the possibility to be a real YouTube competitor in ways that lots of other things that i have seen do not have have that potential so the basic business model is that creators on vessel so like minute physics they will release their videos on their for some amount of time exclusively so three days five days or seven days that will when minute physics releases a new video you will have to watch it on vessel if you want to watch it within i think Henry's doing three days if you want to watch it within that first period after that window of time is up then the video can get posted anywhere else and vessel is going to be a subscription service for its members who want to get access to new stuff immediately so that's the that's the that's the business model did i explain that clearly yeah so it's like a it's kind of like a YouTube alternative but you pay but the thing you're paying for is to get to see it before anyone else it doesn't pay yeah or the comparison that i've seen most or actually you might not know this but it's it's like hulu which in the states is a similar service for regular tv shows where they have a paid service where you can get access to shows early and if you are willing to wait a little while then you can see shows for free with advertising elsewhere although i should say that vessel does have advertising even with its membership service just as hulu has advertising with its membership service as well although i think it is less i'm not 100% sure about that okay so that's that's the thing what do you think the pros and cons are here what do you think it's going to be a raging success do you think could it be a slow burn uh so it's it's really interesting it's really interesting and this kind of gets into the the economics and the business of how this works but vessel doesn't need to be as popular as youtube to be successful because it is a business where it is directly collecting money from customers and as we have mentioned people just underestimate that that on youtube like how like the volume that youtube deals with in terms of views to generate money you know if again if you want to make a living just on the youtube advertising you need an enormous number of views to have like a normal middle class life but if you have a business where people are directly paying for something you need orders of magnitude fewer people in order for that to be a success so vessel could actually be way more profitable than youtube with far far fewer viewers which is one of the reasons why i felt like boy it's an interesting business model and it has a lot of potential to succeed maybe not succeed in the sense of it destroys youtube but be an entity that can exist separately from youtube and also be very successful for the people who are using it uh and for the business itself so that's that's one of the reasons why i think it is just so interesting and so different from a lot of the other youtube competitors stuff that i've seen most of which falls under the category of will just try to be better than youtube and grow bigger than youtube and like that's a that's a tall order uh to you know to take on youtube directly whereas i see like vessel is almost taking on youtube obliquely uh with their with their business model yeah you did bring up that you spoke to them uh which you know saying you brought it up i'll ask you the obvious question why you're not doing it it's been very interesting just these couple days uh because i've gotten a bunch of feedback from people who who want to know why i'm not on vessel or if i'm going to be on vessel and i'm not i'm not saying at this point i'll never be on on vessel or any kind of similar service but for the moment i'm choosing not to do that and for me it's partly because over the past several months one of the things that i have i've been constantly alluding to is i have all these other projects that are going on or that i've been very busy and for various reasons i have i have wanted to make sure that my own business is kind of secure and independent of other platforms and so that's one of the reasons why i ultimately decided to go with the rss syndication of my videos so this was two of my videos ago i told people that i'm going to make an rss feed available that people can subscribe to and just like the podcast they can get my videos downloaded to their phone or their computer directly and this is a system that is directly under my control i am paying to have these files hosted it's not i'm not signing up to a platform it's not like i'm going to bank on vimeo now or i'm going to bank on some additional service so even if something like vessel was attractive to me my primary concern is making sure that i have a business that can still operate independently of other platforms and so that that's why at this stage i've kind of decided to double down on direct support from my fans through things like patreon and also direct interaction with people and and being able to directly push videos to them so that's through rss and that's through email so not having to rely on on other platforms you're so cautious grey i mean and you're very smart and i'm you know it's good that you're doing it but sometimes i feel a bit like you're the you're the guy who builds a bunker and he's back here because he scared there's going to be a nuclear attack like no no you know you are you you do seem like a warrior sometimes again you always use this word worry and that's not that is not how i feel at all i just i as as a but let's let's put this way i think i i am not cautious but people have who have been paying attention to youtube have noticed that a a decent number of creators in different fields have all recently been trying to diversify in various ways and it's like there's a lot of people who aren't leaving youtube but they're making sure that they have like a foot halfway out the door with a solid platform to stand on like i'm not the only person in this in this category and though there are things we can't talk about directly that does kind of let you know that there are whispers on the wind that have some people worried about the way youtube is going to be running their business and we have talked about the stuff like the zoe keeding thing from several episodes ago that have that has people worried and i do think that is that is the biggest threat to vessel is if youtube wants to play real hardball and if they don't want to compete on a business level and instead want to compete like a bunch of jerks they'll try to lock everybody down into these simultaneous release contracts saying that if you release videos anywhere it has to be everywhere all at once which would make creators choose between vessel and youtube it would make vessels business model untenable because they didn't know they're no longer offering a special thing well i still think it just like hulu they would still have videos that are behind a paywall for some limited amount of time and then viewable by anyone so i think they they would still have a viable business model if youtube was forcing creators to choose between the two of them this ultimately comes down to how fast can vessel make more money for the creators on its platform than youtube can make money for the creators on their platform and given youtube's abysmal ad rates i would be reasonably confident that vessel might be able to achieve that quite quickly if they're able to get enough people to sign up fast enough before youtube brings down the hammer again if they want to if they want to play it from my perspective in a very unfair move of forcing people to choose a very anti-competitive move what are you thinking over there i don't know why can't why do things have to change all the time life is changed breedy yeah things things are never not changing there's nothing in stasis yeah i don't mind things changing but i wouldn't mind like a bit of a stasis like bedrock underneath it has felt for the past couple months like there have been particularly shifty sands underneath my feet business wise i'm feeling better now having having moved to having a mailing list which i've encouraged you to do and also not trying out our i have got i have got an email list yes so let me ask you breedy does vessel seem attractive to you is that something that you would consider i would need to know more about it it doesn't it doesn't appear to me increasing my workflow and having to like you know manage you know double all my accounts again you know and you know when you've got six or seven really active projects doubling them doesn't really appeal to me but you know it could potentially come to a point where every time i make a video i then have to spend three days putting it on all these different platforms now i've got to put it on my iTunes and RSS and i've got to put it on vessel and i've got to put it on youtube and i've got to do and now got a twitter and then facebook and then i've got to go and put it on my blog and then i've got to go and put it on patreon and then i've got to and it just gets to a point where i feel like i'm spending more time on the back end than i am actually creating and making the films i just want to i want to spend all my time creating and making and i want slapping it on the internet just to be like an afterthought like there it is now you guys enjoy it i'm going to run off and make another one but it feels like more and more of my time is just being sucked up by putting it online and promoting it and making you know what i don't i don't want that you have my sympathies here people often have requests about why don't you just do this additional one step and people just don't realize like man all of these one additional steps add up and it becomes a huge list of things that you need to do one tiny step at a time and so yes for anybody who's doing this for a living considering an additional platform is a huge deal like it's a lot of extra steps oh yeah oh why don't you why don't you caption your two thousand videos Brady yeah yeah yeah that kind of thing well you know why don't you go back and fix this or the one the one that i get as well as people go oh why don't you have a nicely organized list of um citations and sources at the bottom of your video you know and it's like yeah i could do this but man is that a lot of work for very very little benefits on every single video of trying to keep track of sort is like yeah in theory that doesn't sound like it's a lot but it adds up and it adds up with all of the other things so today i did the rss release for the first time and it was relatively simple it's actually a lot simpler than putting something up on youtube but i was aware of like oh god this is an additional 10 things on my checklist that is already when it was 60 something items long and is now 70 something items long and so i've had a bunch of people say oh why don't you also be on vessel as well and it's like oh god if i uploaded it to videos as often as you it's you know it's a huge it's a huge hassle so there needs to be a lot of advantage to an additional platform that you're going to that you're going to add i do think vessel does potentially bring that to the table if they can make the money work which is why i think they're such a they're such an interesting business yeah that's what has always caught my attention about them right from the start well people go and check out minute physics minute earth and veritasium on there and tell us what you think we'll we'll find out whether we should be doing it too those those guys Henry and Derek our trailblazers i will still say that even if vessel is successful i still think it is it is unlikely that i would switch to or i would do vessel in addition to youtube i can imagine some kind of future day where i have to choose between vessel and youtube but i have a hard time imagining doing both my problem with vessel at first glance is i i haven't signed on yet so i haven't really seen behind the behind the curtain but when you look at their like landing page they seem very focused on you know celebrity and uh big popular stuff and it seems like they want to be it already feels like they want to be tv you know they don't want to be they don't want to be what i like most about youtube sometimes which is you know anyone having a go and some new independent person striking it it sounds like they want things that are already big and they want everything to be big and they want it to all be glossy and you know they want it to be like they want to be more like netflix than youtube i think that i think that is explicitly part of their business that this is curated i don't again i know it's it's also new this has just happened in the past couple days the the publicness of it but i don't think just anybody can sign up and create a new channel i'm not sure that's the case yeah i don't think so but they but they have i mean they got an impressive list of people to go over and i mean i have to say if i was youtube i would be a little worried about this i i i would be uh i'd be more than a little worried you always just say that you choose a music platform so as long as Taylor Swift and all those people uh vessel has a lot of music deals right right and and that is particularly interesting because youtube is bringing down the hammer about you have to choose with our simultaneous release contract and so there are there are big music players that have said we are going to choose vessel that's why i say like yes i would be worried if i was youtube you know what they say what may you live in interesting times you blue blue blue blue blue blue blue blue blue blue blue blue that'll be the interesting

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  1. "H.I. #34: Line in the Sand". Hello Internet. Hello Internet. Retrieved 12 October 2017.