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Brady: Yeah.
Brady: Yeah.


Grey: Um, and so I cannot tell you how many rounds this script went through where I had very definitive statements that kept having to be kind of modified and qualified and- and toned down, uh, and- and changed, uh, changed a lot, so, I- I will not do a lot topic again if I can possibly avoid it, um, partly because of that, like it's- it's difficult to make definitive statements. And there's a number of places in the video where I'm talking about, uh, situations that might occur and it is like "yes, that might happen the majority of the time, but that- like, there's- there's always going to be a really long list of exceptions". Never mind the fact that in America, the rules are different in all fifty states, for how things are handled.
Grey: Um, and so I cannot tell you how many rounds this script went through where I had very definitive statements that kept having to be kind of modified and qualified and- and toned down, uh, and- and changed, uh, changed a lot, so, I- I will not do a lot topic again if I can possibly avoid it, um, partly because of that, like it's- it's difficult to make definitive statements. And there's a number of places in the video where I'm talking about, uh, situations that might occur and it is like "yes, that might happen the majority of the time, but that- like, there's- there's always going to be a really long list of exceptions". Never mind the fact that in America, the rules are different in all fifty states, for how things are handled,--


Brady: Right.
Brady: Right.


Grey: --so I was- I was trying to talk about them- like the most general possible case. Um, but yes, that was stressful, do not expect a lot topic anytime soon, people. Um,--


Brady: Have a been- have you ever been to a trial?


Grey: I have never been to a- a trial in person, no.


Brady: You got to do it. I- I tell you what, one day we must do an episode, and I'll tell you some good stories about trials I've been to.


Grey: Yeah? Okay.


Brady: Court cases- court cases are good fun.
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Grey: That sounds good, that sounds good.


Brady: The- let- let me- let me- do a clever- clever segue here,--


Grey: Oh, okay.


Brady: --which will- which will both follow on from what we're talking about,--


Grey: Uh-huh.


Brady: --promote something,--
Grey: so I was trying to talk about them like the most general possible case. But yes, that was dreadful. Do not expect a lot topic anytime soon. People have a bit Have you ever been to a trial? I have never been to a trial in person. Now.


Grey: Uh-huh.
Brady 40:31
You got to tell you what one day we must do an episode. I'll tell you some good stories about trials I've been to. Yeah. Okay. Ice cold cases. good fun. That sounds good. Let's see. Let me let me let me do a clever, clever segue here. Okay, which will which will both follow on from what we're talking about? promote something and lead to something I wanted to discuss.


Brady: --and lead to something I wanted to discuss.
Grey 40:53
Patrick Patrick trick of segway.


Grey: Oh it's- it's--
Brady 40:56
Yeah. Speaking of click Beatty titles for videos. The video that I put up today is called the world's greatest autograph book. And it is about something that you and I went to see, of course, a couple of weeks ago. And I want to talk about that day trip. So I got all three together. You and I went to the Royal Society. Yeah, in London, which is somewhere I've been wanting to take you for ages and been pestering you about it. We finally had the chance to go there. And I didn't want you to do the the typical tour we went down into the, into the vaults to see all the treasures and things I deliberately haven't asked you much about your impression of the visit because I wanted to ask you here on the podcast. What did you think? I I thought it was great. It was it was great to visit. So I think first Why don't you because you're better at summarizing this the main right Why don't you give a quick summary for people who don't know like what is the Royal Society the Royal Society This organization that's been around since the 1600s. And it was set up by Charles the second, I think, I think he was the it was one of these, one of these kings, the founder. Yeah. And basically, it was for sort of the scientists of the time when science was in its infancy. It was kind of like their club. They've been going ever since. And basically, they, they elect or decide to make people fellows of this society and join the club. And this has been going on for, you know, 350 years or something like that. And basically, every year and a new intake of 10 or 20 people joins this club of Uber scientists still going today. And it's just got all this history. They've also been involved in, you know, publications, they have their own journal, and they have meetings and they have all these other functions. It's not just a place where they go and have a cup of tea and smoke a pipe but I should came out wrong but anyway, I meant that no more English sense. Anyway. So, success club it's been going for years got all this history, you know, any any scientist who's anyone has been a Fellow of the Royal Society, Isaac Newton you know all those all those guys who can boil back then all the way through to your modern greats you know Einstein was a was a fellow Niels Bohr all the way through to Peter Higgs and people like that today, Watson and Crick. They're all they've all been part of this club that's got this incredible history. The thing about the autographed book is of course, anyone who signs who becomes a fellow they all signed the same book, which has been around since the start. So this is why I call it the world's greatest autograph book because it's got everyone from Isaac Newton through to all your modern day scientists all signing this one book which is incredible. Yes, and of course any king or queen that comes to the throne is automatically the patron The role of society so every famous royal has signed as well. It's this amazing document. But anyway, because of this history, and basically, all the peep scientists involve their interactions are all kept and all their papers and artifacts are kept there in these vaults. It's this it's this real treasure trove of of material as well. And I know you love our stuff and I know you love source documents and things like that you know, you don't you don't want you don't want any secondary sources when you CGP Grey now of course the set so I thought I've got to get gray in there to see all this stuff. Because I know you like hanging out in libraries and stuff as well. Yeah, we finally went there. And I thought it was going to blow your mind. And I don't know if you were just being calm. Or you were walking about it. What did you What did you think you just kind of?


Brady: So--
Grey 44:53

Oh, no, I think I really liked it. I thought it was it was really interesting to see. So yeah, when we when we We went on a tour, that we got to go downstairs into the vault blow, and basically see all of the original documents. And it's almost hard to describe because there was such a great variety of things down there. But if you imagine this huge vault, and it would just have the original written letters from all of these famous scientists, to the Royal Society, or from explorers who were writing in about, you know, what they were seeing in new places. And it was almost just very overwhelming in the amount of stuff
Grey: the hat-trick of follow-up.

Brady: --this is a hat-trick here.

Grey: Yeah, a hat-trick of segues.

Brady: Yeah. Speaking of clickbaity, uh, titles for videos,--

Grey: Uh-huh.

Brady: --the video that I put up today--

Grey: [chuckles]

Brady: --is called the world's greatest autograph book.

Grey: [muffled] Mm-hmm.

Brady: And, it is about something that you and I went to see,--

Grey: Of course.

Brady: --a couple of weeks ago,--

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: --and I want to talk about that day trip.

Grey: Yes.

Brady: So I got all three together there.

Grey: [chuckles]

Brady: You and I went to the Royal Society,--

Grey: Yes.

Brady: --in London, which is somewhere I've been wanting to take you for ages--

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: --and I've been pestering you about it. We finally had the chance to go there. And I didn't want you to do the- the typical tour we went down into the- into the vaults--

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: --to see all the treasures and things. I deliberately haven't asked you much about your impression of the visit--

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: --because I wanted to ask you here on the podcast.

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: What did you think?

Grey: I- I thought it was great. It was- it was great to visit. So, I think, first, why don't you- because you're better at- at summarizing this than me, right? Why don't you give a quick summary for people who don't know, like, "what is the Royal Society?".

Brady: All right, the Royal Society is this organization that's been around since the 1600s. And it was set up by, uh, Charles the second, I think, I think he was the- it was one of these- one of these kings.

Grey: That sounds right.

Brady: Yeah. And basically, it was for sort of the scientists of the time, when science was in its infancy, it was kind of like their club. They've been going ever since. And basically, they- they- uh, elect or decide to make people fellows of this society and join the club. And this has been going on for, you know, 350 years or something like that. And basically, every year a- a new intake of 10 or 20 people joins this club of uber-scientists. It's still going today. And, it's just got all this history. They've- they've also been involved in, you know, publications, they have their own journal, and they have meetings and they have all these other functions, it's not just a place where they go and have a cup of tea and smoke a pipe, but,- I should- yeah, that came out wrong, but anyway- [chuckles]--

Grey: [chuckles]

Brady: --I meant that in a more English sense.

Grey: Yeah.

Brady: But anyway, so- um, so it's this club that's been going for years it's got all this history, you know, any- any scientist who's anyone has been a Fellow of the Royal Society.

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: Isaac Newton, uh, you know, all those- all those guys, Hook and Boyle back then, all the way through to your modern greats, you know, Einstein was a- was a Fellow, uh, Niels Bohr, all the way through to Peter Higgs and people like that today,--

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: --Watson and Crick. They're all- they've all been part of this club so it's got this incredible history.

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: The thing about the autographed book is, of course, anyone who signs- who becomes a Fellow, they all sign this same book, which has been around since the start. So this- that's why I call it the world's greatest autograph book, because it's got everyone from Isaac Newton through to all your modern day scientists all signing this one book which is incredible.

Grey: Yes.

Brady: And of course any king or queen that comes to the throne is automatically the patron of the Royal Society, so every famous royal has signed it as well. It's this amazing document. But anyway, because of this history, and basically, all the people- scientists involved- uh, their interactions are all kept and all their papers and artifacts are kept there in these vaults, it's this- it's this real treasure trove of- of material as well.

Grey: Mm-hmm.

Brady: And I know you love old stuff,--

Grey: [chuckles]

Brady: --and I know you love source documents, and things like that, you know, you don't- you don't want- you don't want any secondary sources when you're CGP Grey,--

Grey: No, of course not.

Brady: --so- so I thought, I've got to get Grey in there to see all this stuff. Because I know you like hanging out in libraries and stuff as well.

Grey: Yes, yes.

Brady: So we finally went there. And I thought it was going to blow your mind.

Grey: [chuckles]

Brady: And I don't know if you were just being calm,--

Grey: [chuckles]

Brady: --or you were lukewarm about it. What did you- what did you think? You just kind of--

Grey: Oh, no, I think- I- I- I really liked it. I thought it was it was really interesting to see. So yeah, when we when we We went on a tour, that we got to go downstairs into the vault blow, and basically see all of the original documents. And it's almost hard to describe because there was such a great variety of things down there. But if you imagine this huge vault, and it would just have the original written letters from all of these famous scientists, to the Royal Society, or from explorers who were writing in about, you know, what they were seeing in new places. And it was almost just very overwhelming in the amount of stuff


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