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Brady: I did see that in the film, I have seen the first film.
 
Grey: Yeah, so there's like a fight, right? There's- there's--
 
Brady: Yeah. It's a battle of wits in a way, itwasn't was.it?
 
Grey: Yeah, well, there's a- there's a preceding thing about it, but there's- there is a- like a skirmish over the ring.
Grey 53:43
Yeah, well, there's that there's a preceding thing about it, but there's there is a like a skirmish over the ring. Okay. And I'm reading the book, and everything is going along totally fine. And then in the book that I'm reading, I was I was completely blown away because Gollum, just hands over the ring. Right, like no questions asked none of this skirmish nonsense. Just basically straight up gives it to Bilbo and Bilbo walks away. And I was so incredibly confused until I realized that my library actually had a first edition of The Hobbit. And it turns out that this is a change in later editions of The Hobbit. So in, in fiction, this is called a redcon. When the author goes back and changes something in the earlier material, like a director's cut, yeah, to make it match later on with with the following stuff, okay. And so this is this was a case of the first the very first edition of The Hobbit, there is not this, this epic struggle over the ring. And in later editions there is and Tolkien went back and changed it, because he realized that it just didn't make any sense given the books that he was writing in the future. So so like, original copies of things can have very interesting information, but some of the trouble sometimes it's like Knowing that this even exists, like I would never have discovered this if it just wasn't just for a total, just a total accident. And so yeah, source original materials are just just amazing. But as as always with libraries like knowing where to look is half the battle
 
Brady 55:15 Okay.
was the valuable that book if it was some first edition sitting in your local library,
 
Grey: Um, and I'm reading the book, and everything is going along totally fine, and then in the book that I'm reading, I was- I was completely blown away, because Gollum just hands over the ring, right? Like no questions asked, none of this skirmish nonsense, just basically straight up gives it to Bilbo, and Bilbo walks away. And I was so incredibly confused until I realized that my library actually had a first edition of The Hobbit. And it turns out that this is a change in later editions of The Hobbit.
Grey 55:20
it's one of the things I've wondered about later on. Like, did they not realize that this was the first edition because I'm, I'm a member of a library that has a first edition of The Hobbit here. And that that's like kept under lock and key. You know, you can't you can't directly actually,
 
Brady 55:33 Ahh...
you should have borrowed that bad boy and not returned it and take a hit on the phone.
 
Grey: Um, so in- in- in fiction, this is called a retcon, when the author goes back and changes something in the earlier material,--
Grey 55:37
If I should have if I was looking through. I think I was really just more confused about the inconsistencies in the story. De railing my whole brain. Why doesn't this match up with what I expected to be? Yeah. But yeah, so I will definitely take advantage of them. When I come across something where I want, I want to be able to see the original, original, something like that. I have a couple things in mind. I don't want to miss anything in particular man. It was an IT WAS A I have to say, it was a it was a great trip. And I'm really glad that, that you were able to
 
Brady: It's 56:06like a director's cut.
bring me down there and to sort of get access to this because your whole person, I should say, by the way, as well, like, you know, by way of thanks to the library guys are our society, anyone can go there. Anyone can go there and look at any materials. I mean, not anyone can go down to the vote, but anything from the vote can be brought up to you. So if you go there and and, you know, join up and go through the process, no matter you just like, you know, prove that you're a real person and not some cowboy. And you want to look at some old handwritten document from Isaac Newton, they'll bring it up to you though, shout out to that. They're all they want. They want people to go there and use this resource. You know, they want this stuff out there. So if, if you're ever in London, or you're from London, and you want to go see this stuff, it's not some exclusive club, anyone can go and have a look.
 
Grey: Yeah, to make it match later on with- with the following stuff.
Grey 56:54
Yeah, and the library is really worth seeing as well. It's just it's a it's a beautiful room, where they'll bring You author materials. So yeah, it is definitely worth seeing. Cool
 
Brady 57:06 Okay.
Do you know what we were going to talk about some stuff today we prepared a topic. Are we going to do it? We think a lot nearly an hour.
 
Grey: Uh, and so this is- this was a case of the first- the very first edition of The Hobbit, there is not this- this epic struggle, uh, over the ring. And in later editions there is, and Tolkien went back and changed it, uh, because he realized that it just didn't make any sense, given the books that he was writing in the future.
Grey 57:15
I think that I'm totally up for doing something that is an actual topic, but it depends entirely on you.
 
Brady 57:20 Yeah.
Let's do it man. Let's do I mean the first couple of podcasts have been like an hour long but there's no rules about this is there
 
Grey: So, um, so- like, original copies of things can have very interesting information, but some of the- the trouble sometimes is, like, is knowing that this even exists.
Grey 57:27
now this is the internet stuff can be as long or as short as you want it to be. There's absolutely no limits on this
 
Brady 57:33 Yeah.
and some of the podcasts you've been putting me on tape because I wasn't as much of a podcast junkie as you so I've just been listening to once you tell me to listen to they typically go for like two hours.
 
Grey: Right? Like, I would never have discovered this if it just- wasn't just for a- a total- just a total accident. And so yeah, source- original materials are- are just- just amazing. But as- as always with libraries, like, knowing where to look is half the battle. Um,-
Grey 57:44
Yeah, some of them are very long and my personal favorite but sadly defunct now podcast hypercritical was legendary for co it like they'd have shows I'm pretty sure they had shows the top three hours in because genzler accused of the star of that show just had interesting things to say and could say them forever. Like you can
 
Brady: Was that a valuable that book if it was some first edition sitting in your local library?
Brady 58:05
tell you why I tell you what we have to in a future episode, do a podcast about podcast because there's a few things I want to discuss with you, especially about the podcast. You've put me on too, because I've been listening to them a lot. And I've got lots of questions and comments, and I want to I want to do more about it. But that's not for today, is it?
 
Grey: It's one of those things I've wondered about later on, like, did they not realize that this was the first edition? Because I'm- I'm a member of a library that has a first edition of The Hobbit here,--
Grey 58:22
No, that's not that's not exactly for it. today.
 
Brady 58:24 Mm.
We will we're going to talk about feedback. Because I think I think the rough thinking was because we've been getting so much feedback in the last week. Yeah, podcast would be a good chance to to talk about feedback in general.
 
Grey: And that- that's like kept under lock and key, you know,--
Grey 58:38
Yeah, I think I suspect this is going to be a relatively short topic, which is why I don't mind doing it now. But I was I was just thinking about it earlier. And I think they're my note says feedback on feedback. And I think that there's there's some some things to be said here. And so I guess I mean, I guess just to start it off, what I was Thinking about is how, you know, because we're in this, we're in this amazing world with the internet, you know, and people can put stuff out there. And anybody can comment on it if they want, you know, like anybody can make a YouTube video tomorrow and upload it right, and you can get some comments. And I think it's, it's a very weird situation to have feedback from people that you don't know. And how, as the creator of something to actually interpret that feedback. I think there's a lot of weirdness that happens here. I don't know. I mean, cuz I'm kind of, I don't actually know. I mean, like, do you look at the YouTube comments for your own videos very much. I mean, you're so busy making videos, you probably don't have time to actually, you
 
Brady 59:51 Yeah.
know, especially especially on a new video. So for the first I'll talk about this a bit more in a minute. When when I sort of talked to you a bit about some of some of things I've been doing lately, but, but in general terms, I would say I look at the viewer comments on a YouTube video for the first day or two days, and then that starts to subside then because because I do a video almost every day or every two days, a new video kind of usurps it and that becomes so the focus of my attention. And you know, now I have a couple of thousand videos, I don't go back and read all the feedback on all of them. Yeah. But for the first day or two, and that's when you're getting the most comments. Anyway. I am quiet. I am very much across what's being said for better or worse.
 
Grey: --you can't- you can't directly access that.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:41
And what about you?
 
Brady: You should- you should have borrowed that bad boy and not returned it,--
Grey 1:00:44
Yeah, well,
 
Grey: Yeah.
Brady 1:00:45
I know obviously, you have comments and your video and then you also run your, your Reddit subreddit. Yeah, you'd like the feedback to happen.
 
Brady: --and taken a hit on the fine.
Grey 1:00:53
Yeah, that's exactly it at this point. At this stage, I don't pay any attention to the comments on YouTube. Some of the changes that they made I don't really like that format.
 
Grey: [laughing] Yeah, I- I should have, if I was looking through. I think I was really just more confused about the inconsistencies in the story,--
Brady 1:01:02
 
To what you won't even look at it at all. Okay, just you won't even look.
Brady: [laughs]
 
Grey: --and that was just derailing my whole brain, "Why doesn't this match up with what I expect it to be?".
 
Brady: Yeah.
 
Grey: Um, but yeah, so I- I will definitely take advantage of them, when I come across something where I want- I want to be able to see the original- original stuff and like I said, I have a couple things in mind, but I don't want to mention anything in particular.
 
Brady: No, I know.
 
Grey: It was an- it was a- I have to say, it was a- it was a great trip, and I'm really glad that, uh, that you were able to, uh, bring me down there and to sort of get access to this,--
 
Brady: Cool.
 
Grey: --because you're a cool person.
 
Brady: I should say, by the way as well, like, you know, by way of thanks to the- the library guys at the Royal Society, anyone can go there. Anyone can go there and look at any materials, I mean, not anyone can go down to the vault, but anything from the vault can be brought up to you.
 
Grey: Mm-hmm.
 
Brady: So if you go there and- and, you know, join up and go through the process, no money, just like, you know, prove that you're a real person and not some cowboy. And you want to look at some old handwritten document from Isaac Newton, they'll bring it up to you,--
 
Grey: Mm-hmm.
 
Brady: --they'll show it to you. They're all- they want- they want people to go there and use this resource, you know, they want this stuff out there. So, um, if- if you're ever in London, or you're from London, and you want to go see this stuff, it's not some exclusive club, anyone can go and have a look.
 
Grey: Yeah, and the library is really worth seeing as well, like it's just- it's a- it's a beautiful room,--
 
Brady: Mm-hmm.
 
Grey: --where they'll bring you up the materials.
 
Brady: Yeah.
 
Grey: Uh, so yeah, it is definitely worth seeing.
 
Brady: Cool.
 
[Topic change sound]
 
Brady: Do you know, well- like, we were going to talk about some stuff today, we, like, prepared a topic.
 
Grey: Mm-hmm.
 
Brady: Are we going to do it? We've been going, like, nearly an hour.
 
Grey: I think that I'm totally up for doing something that is, like, an actual topic, but it depends entirely on you.
 
Brady: Let's do it man, let's do it.
 
Grey: [laughs] You--
 
Brady: I'm -I mean the first couple of podcasts have been like an hour long, but there's no rules about this is there?
 
Grey: No, this is the internet,--
 
Brady: Yeah.
 
Grey: --stuff can be as long or as short as you want it to be, there's absolutely no limits on this.
 
Brady: And some of the podcasts you've been, um, putting me onto, because I'm- I wasn't as much of a podcast junkie as you, so I've just been listening to once you tell me to listen to,--
 
Grey: Mm-hmm.
 
Brady: --they typically go for like two hours.
 
Grey: Yeah, some of them are very long, and my personal favorite, but sadly defunct now, podcast Hypercritical was legendary for going, like, they'd have shows- I'm pretty sure they had shows the topped three hours in length,--
 
Brady: [chuckles]
 
Grey: --uh, because John Siracusa, the star of that show, just had interesting things to say and could say them forever, like he could just keep going--
 
Brady: I tell you what- I tell you what, we have to, in a future episode, do a podcast about podcasts, because there's a few things I want to discuss with you, especially about the podcasts you've put me onto, because I've been listening to them a lot. And I've got lots of questions and comments, and I want to- I want to do more about it. But that's not for today, is it?
 
Grey: No, well, that's not- that's not exactly for today. Um,--
 
Brady: We were- we were going to talk about feedback.
 
Grey: Yes.
 
Brady: Because I- I think- I think the- the rough thinking was because we've been getting so much feedback in the last week,--
 
Grey: Yeah.
 
Brady: --with the podcast, it would be a good chance just to talk about feedback in general.
 
Grey: Yeah, I think- I- I- I, uh, I suspect this is going to be a relatively short topic, which is why I don't mind doing it now.
 
Brady: Yeah.
 
Grey: But I was- I was just thinking about it earlier, and I think- there- my note says "feedback on feedback". And I- I think that there's- there's some- some things to be said here. Uh,--
 
Brady: Yeah.
 
Grey: And so I guess- I mean- I guess just to start it off, what I was thinking about is how- you know, again, because we're in this- we're in this amazing world with the internet, you know, and people can put stuff out there, um, and anybody can comment on it if they want, you know, like, anybody can make a YouTube video tomorrow and upload it, right? And you can get some comments, and I think it's- it's a very weird situation to have feedback from people that you don't know. And, how, as the creator of something to actually interpret that feedback. Um, I- I think there's a- there's a lot of- of weirdness that happens here. Um,--
 
Brady: Yeah.
 
Grey: I don't know. I mean, 'cause I'm kind of- I don't actually know- I mean, like, do you look at the YouTube comments for your own videos very much? I mean, you're so busy making videos, you probably don't have time to actually read the comments.
 
Brady: No, I do, esp- especially, um, especially on a new video. So for the first- I'll talk about this a bit more in a minute, when- when I sort of talk to you a bit about some of- some of things I've been doing lately, but- but in general terms, I would say I look at the viewer comments on a YouTube video for the first day--
 
Grey: Mm-hmm.
 
Brady: --or- or two days, and that--
 
Grey: Mm-hmm.
 
Brady: --that starts to subside then because- because I do a video almost every day or every two days,--
 
Grey: [chuckles]
 
Brady: --um, a new video kind of usurps it and that becomes sort of the--
 
Grey: Right.
 
Brady: --focus of my attention. And, you know, now I have a couple of thousand videos, I don't go back and read all the feedback on all of them.
 
Grey: Yeah.
 
Brady: Um, but for the first day or two, and that's when you're getting the most comments anyway.
 
Grey: Mm-hmm.
 
Brady: I am quite- I am very much across what's being said,--
 
Grey: Mm.
 
Brady: --for better or worse.
 
Grey: Mm-hmm. And I guess,--
 
Brady: What about you? What about you?
 
Grey: Yeah well, uh,--
 
Brady: I know obviously, you- you have comments under your video and then you also run your- your Reddit subreddits,--
 
Grey: Yeah.
 
Brady: --where- which is where you'd like the feedback to happen.
 
Grey: Yeah, that's exactly it. At- at this point, um, at- at this stage, I- I don't pay any attention to the comments on YouTube, with some of the changes that they made, I don't really like that format. Um,--
 
Brady: So what, you won't even look at it at all, like, just- you won't even look.
 
Grey 1:01:05
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