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Grey: What? What?
Brady: Was it in Episode Three, where you did that- you
Grey: Mm-hmm.
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Grey: --I could not disagree with you more at this point. I- I fully understand that I can be overly pedantic about things like this, but I- I am going to very strongly disagree with you there.
Brady: So if someone comes into my house, takes my TV and- and watches a few programs on it, and then puts it back later that day, have they infringed on my TV? Or have they stolen it?
Grey: [laughing] Wait, wait what? The person breaks into your- well, first of all, they've broken and entered into your house. Um...
Brady: But if they didn't take any money or break anything, have they just infringed into my house?
Grey: [laughing] I don't think that's an appropriate analogy.
Brady: [giggles]
Grey: I don't think this lines up at all. I think you're trying to stack the deck in your favor with that one, buddy.
Brady: Well- well, I don't know, you've already- you've already said that you're no good with the analogies, so...
Grey: [chuckling] Um...
Brady: Anyway, I just listened back to it and I think "Aw, go on, they're stealing from you, they're stealing, they're thieves".
Grey: [sigh] I- I just- I- I- I disagree. I think--
Brady: Yeah...
Grey: --I think infringement is a word that- that, uh, the internet culture needs to- needs to make happen, as a common understood word, like theft is a common understood word.
Brady: I- but I think infringing is like- using the word infringing is like dressing something bad up to make it sound not as bad. Why can't we give it a more emotive word? Why do we- in- because infringing is just like, it's such like a- a delicate thing, like, you know, you know, Germany didn't infringe on Poland did it? Like, you know, like, you don't- you don't--
Grey: [laughing] No, but that is also not a comparable analogy. When Germany--
Brady: Yeah, but what I'm saying is when I said infringe, it makes a terrible thing sound- sound, you know, somewhere near more acceptable, and I don't think it is acceptable, and I don't think we should be giving them this- this delicate word when they're doing a bad thing to us.
Grey: I was going to say, it's- the word the- the- unfortunately these words aren't perfectly comparable, but you do also have the word "piracy", which is a similar, um, kind of--
Brady: That's a better- see, that's an emotive word.
Grey: Um,--
Brady: I like that.
Grey: But, yeah, it is a more emotive word, but that is- usually piracy is- is talking about, um, individuals making copies for themselves. Uh, you know, and so they are- they're "engaged in piracy", which- it is more emotive, but it- it is almost more motive in a very cool kind of way, right? Like,--
Brady: Yeah,
Grey: --pirates have a lot of social cachet these days. Um,--
Brady
Grey: So, right? I'm not sure it's really dissuading the kids, you know,--
Brady: All right.
Grey: --don't- you know, "don't be an awesome cool pirate". Um, but- uh, yeah, I'm gonna- I'm gonna- we're gonna have to just disagree on this,--
Brady: I want to put-- I want to put the challenge out there, though. I want to- I want a new word to describe what you call infringing,--
Grey: Yeah.
Brady: --that is more emotive, but, you know, it doesn't cross swords with stealing and theft,--
Grey: Mm-hmm.
Brady: --which you think is, you know,--
Grey: All right!
Brady: --sacred. Anyway, there we go.
Grey: No, yeah- no- we'll, uh, we'll see- we'll see if people in the Reddit thread for this video can come up with a better word. So you want- you want something that just- it just sounds meaner than infringement, but that means--
Brady: Yeah, I want a word to describe the- the practice of other people or organizations taking content and using it for their own purposes.
Grey: I- I- yeah, we'll see if- we'll see if something- um, uh, someone comes up with something.
Brady: [sighs] Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest. Any more follow up? Any more follow--
Grey: [chuckles] No, but that- that is the point to follow up, Brady, right? There's always going to be something that's sticking in your mind and- and this is the- this is the time to discuss it.
Brady: All right.
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Brady: What's been going on? What's been going on in- in your life, or in my life, or any- it's been cray- life has been crazy.
Grey: Yeah, life has been crazy for both of us for the past week,--
Brady: Mm.
Grey: --and for you crazier, I think, because you just got back from Vietnam, did you not?
Brady: I did, I did.
Grey: And what were you, uh, what were you doing on the other side of the world?
Brady: I don't know how much you know about, um, my- my dad. But, he was a- I'm- I'm Australian.
Grey: Mm-hmm.
Brady: As you know, but not many people- not many American people even seem to realize that Australian soldiers fought in the Vietnam War.
Grey: Mm-hmm.
Brady: Um, so you know, this was sort of- it was an allied force. A lot of people are always really surprised when I tell them that, and my father fought in the Vietnam War. So I've kind of, uh, grown up, you know, knowing- knowing this and knowing bits and pieces of his stories. So, basically, the purpose of this trip was to go with him to Vietnam and travel around to some of the places where- where all the stuff went down,--
Grey: Mm-hmm.
Brady: --which was really interesting. It's- it's especially interesting for me, because there are two things about my dad that are unusual in this respect. One was, um, he did two tours of Viet- the Vietnam War. And the first one was twelve months, which I think was in... 1968, I think,--
Grey: Mm-hmm.
Brady: --and then he did another eight month tour towards the end, which I can't remember the year it was, '71 or...--
Grey: Mm-hmm.
Brady: --aw, I can't remember the year, which is terrible. But that- on that first tour, he was a dog tracker. Well, he- I mean- he wasn't a dog,--
Grey: [chuckles]
Brady: --but he was a dog handler of a tracking dog. So his war experience was quite different to a lot of other people, in so far as his role was to- to- to lead this dog around sniffing, uh,--
Grey: And what was the- what was the dog doing?
Brady: The dog was sniffing, uh, enemy forces.
Grey: Mm-hmm.
Brady: Uh, Vietcong or North Vietnamese soldiers. So- so a typical scenario would be, there would be a- a- a contact, there would be a battle, and then my dad and his dog, which was called Caesar, would be brought in, to sort of sniff and follow, uh, the retreating troops, and try and, you know, reengage with them. From a combat sense, he had quite an unusual experience, but he also had a personally very interesting experience because, his relationship through the war was- was more with a dog than with other soldiers in many ways. So it was a very- it was a very unusual and special relationship. But also, um, my dad went on to become a journalist and- and a writer, and once he finished his sort of journalistic career, he settled down to writing books and he's written a number of books about the Vietnam War, and his first one and most successful one, which is called "Trackers", is about him and the dog. So, a lot of- I'd heard some of these stories, but not all of them, but then I read this book, which is just crammed with amazing stories that I didn't know. So, that- suddenly I had all this, you know, all these stories and all this stuff but I'd never seen the place or been there,--
Grey: Mm-hmm.
Brady: --so that's what last week was about, it was about going to- going to the site of these places. And of course, me being me and dad quite wanting me to, I took my camera along. And he sort of retold a lot of these stories, and my dad's a really good storyteller.
Grey: Uh-huh.
Brady: He retold a lot of these stories in the places where they happened and I rolled the camera over it and hopefully we'll get around to edding- editing them at some point.
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