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'''Grey:''' -and so they'll just delay and delay until they can see the traffic has dropped off, and, you know, then- then they'll replace it if you're lucky. Um, but yeah news- newspapers are by far the worst, and my- my guess- here- here's my guess about this: Is that- I think they're under, just tremendous financial constraints because of changing technology,-
'''Grey:''' -and so they'll just delay and delay until they can see the traffic has dropped off and you know then then the place it if you're lucky but yeah news newspapers are by far the worst and my guess here's my guess about this is that I think they're under just tremendous financial constraints because of changing technology yeah but they also don't have the same kind of oversight that a TV news organization would have right I think a TV news organization would have enough infrastructure to say listen guys let's not risk this you know we're in the video industry world this is a bigger problem and so I think newspapers are at this interesting crux where they're just they're under a lot of pressure and maybe don't have the same kind of oversight as video news would but anyway that's just I always like to complain about the news if I possibly can and newspapers you know it's not exactly they're not earning my love with a baby tree another youtuber who's a who we both know who I won't name but he's had that happen to him a lot as well and he um he's starting to get a bit more hard about it and then writing to the papers and saying yeah okay buddy thanks replacing it but that's not good enough you need to pay me a fee for what you just did and he's had some success with that and they've started to say okay so I think they kind of maybe they're realizing but it's scandalous and the lies and anyway I'm not going to say on I mean I used to work for a tabloid newspaper you know I'm I'm not going to sit here in whinge about newspapers no we're well eventually we'll talk we will yeah we were led to it and then we can let it all pour out it all pour out there very naughty very naughty there very naughty about her and they're very sparing in their giving of you know links or credit as well you know I had one I had one video that was oh I could say what video was it was the one where I went into the the Bank of England gold bullion vault and obviously that was that's not an thing you see every day so a few people wanted to use and I had one newspaper contact me and say can we use the video in an article and we want to put it in our own player and I said well no can you please use the YouTube player so that if people watch surely no they're going to watch the same video anyway and they were like okay we'll think about it and because I forget he specifically told them they couldn't put it in their player and it was in a conversation so they couldn't back on that and instead I think they must have taken 1015 screengrabs mm-hmm and just made a huge picture gallery of all the pictures from it's like yeah goodness sake so naughty anyway okay so what while we've been complaining about all of these these things okay we are a couple of grumpy admin right now we might never be stuff right now we are if anyone is still survived listening through the complaints of youtubers right first world youtuber problems thank you happy right issues yeah I would just go I would go back to one of the little notes that I wanted to make is the advantage of allowing copyright to expire and you know you talked about why should people be able to build on on george lucas's stuff yeah you know as an example and I think what some examples of this which is very interesting it like you can retell stories in much more interesting ways and I have I have two examples that I really like okay the first one this might be slightly embarrassing but we could admit it anyway is the I think is 1996 movie called clueless starring Silverstone yeah not that film um which is one of those movies when I first saw it I know I thought this was just the dumbest movie ever made and for anyone who hasn't seen it I highly recommend that you do watch it but it is on the surface it is basically a movie about the dumbest California Valley Girls you've ever seen yeah and and the exploits of their life however later on I came to find out that the that clueless is a remake of Jane Austen's Emma right that it it is the exact plot of Emma just moved to this different setting and once you know that I think the movie clueless becomes kind of brilliant um I think it's they're so sloppy though isn't it that's like oh I wasn't willing to admit I liked this film until I realized was based on something old well Amos yes III will totally admit that that that does sound terrible cuz I've often heard it said anyway the sort of jane austen stuff was considered reasonably not that highbrow at its time as well so yeah I've heard that kind of stuff um Mercy's fallacies yeah I don't I don't know either but um I've heard similar things and of course you know thing things gain respect through time you know just because it's old it's it's sort of awesome um don't get me started on on Shakespeare um but so I but so this is an example where I think clueless is the kind of movie that could be made right because the copyright on Emma had expired yeah and you can do interesting things with that story by moving it to a different setting and I think that there there is cultural value in being able to do new things with iconic characters right that I think at a certain point very successful films and very successful books they become part of the culture and and that is also why I'm kind of very much for some eventual limit on copyright that so them so that more can be done with these things in the future I'm a second example that I have which I only recently discovered and then I had one of these binge watching sessions is the BBC's remake of Sherlock the Sherlock Holmes series how good if I have you said you seen them oh they they're awesome so I think actually as we are talking the season 3 finale is airing on the BBC right now which I'm looking forward to yeah but I basically only discovered these about a month ago yeah and I watched the first one and as and I was like I I can't stop watching how right I have to keep watching this and I and I've just binge watched the first two and a half seasons available at that point and it was great and I think that this is another example of like Sherlock Holmes is so much more than the original author ever intended him to be right he's like he is such a part art of the like the Anglosphere culture at this point that I think that it is fair enough to say that that his character belongs in the public domain and other people can do things with this kind of story I mean Sherlock might not be the best example because I know there's lots of clever nuanced - nods to the Conan Doyle books but is this not just a case again I know sure that's not the best example but I'll run with it is this not a case of someone you know some clever story tellers and good actors and good directors making a brilliant piece of film something that's compelling but then just appropriating a famous name and brand that has worked its way into culture to help sell their product I mean you could you could make a bunch of rip-roaring detective films just like that about you know a guy and his assistant hmm that would that would on the surface be just as good but less people would watch it because it hasn't got an iconic name like Sherlock and things like that so in some ways I see what you're saying they've built your building on things and you're building on things in culture in other ways I think they're just being there being a bit lazy they're making something good but then they're appealing to our culture which doesn't like anything and this is already famous and stamping that honour in much the same way when you make a science documentary on the BBC no matter what the topic is you're like well we can't do this unless it's someone who's already famous presenting it there is stamping Fame on things because our culture is so obsessed with Fame I I think I think that's getting off into a different argument slightly about about Fame right yeah and also I think the you know there's some great there's some great charts about the number of sequels right that have been made in movies recently and and this similar kind of idea right that people want to buy what they already know yeah and my my opinion on the bad sequels thing is like I don't care how many bad sequels are made I only care about the good sequels because I don't have to watch the bad sequels yeah and my opinion is that yeah there's a bunch of stuff that's made that people watch it because it's Sherlock Holmes and now I have another great Sherlock Holmes example which is the Robert Downey jr. Sherlock Holmes movie right which I watched only because it was a Sherlock Holmes movie yeah I started to watch it for that reason I had to stop after about yeah minutes but yeah there's no reason I would have watched that movie if it was not a Sherlock Holmes movie as like I found it moderately enjoyable but they would have not gotten my money if it was not for a Sherlock Holmes name on it right because I've read the Sherlock Holmes stories like and I'm interested in this and so I wanted to see that interpretation which like yeah it's okay but you know I didn't watch the second one um but to me the the BBC Sherlock is is like the shining example of what you can do and I think that those those stories are great they're made better because it's Sherlock Holmes because you can see like what changes have they made to these characters or what have they kept the same you know what's different now that they've moved it into a modern setting that's a fair point I think it gains value from contrasts with the originals that it wouldn't have if it was a standalone piece yeah and so that's why I think it's it's great that people can do this and although it will it would never happen I would love it if there was um you know if I say the copyright limit was 60 years that when I was older I could watch somebody redo the original Star Wars movies III think that like there is room for them to be redone in an awesome way but with current copyright lasting forever that will never happen you know and and that that will never be able to occur yeah so we just have to put up with how George Lucas himself matey's new films yeah and again that this is why George Lucas is always like the easy one to pick on right because he made new Star Wars movies and they have been generally they have been generally panned and here's the thing right like generally pay that was a very yeah diplomatic stayin job but but here's the things like I I don't hold any grudges against him and and here's one of the other things with going back to like what allows us to make our living the control over the distribution this Star Wars comes up for a very particular reason copyright debates and it's it's partly because the power of the control of the distribution is what has allowed George Lucas to basically prevent showings of the original Star Wars movies as they first aired yes right and this this again is like could not be a more first world kind of problem yeah but if you are a person who kind of cares about the cultural history of the world you know if you're looking at movies for example Star Wars is undoubtedly a moment in that cultural history yeah but you cannot get the original versions of those Star Wars very naughty it's very naughty of amuse enough yeah and I think that's where a lot of the resentment comes from is people saying you know nobody begrudges making those new movies is like oh god you know or I think nobody writes a grudge a little bit I I would say I hold no I hold no ill will in my heart for the making of those movies like he this is the same thing they just they in my mind just fall into the category of the bad things I don't have to watch the bad things I saw them once I will never see them again but what I know I've been watching but it but if you see them once I'm sorry I know this isn't about Star Wars I've been watching the originals again lately because they're on telly and I love them so I watched them and things that happen in the originals now kept giving me flashbacks to those subsequent prequels and it was tainting the originals for me because I was thinking uh they just they just don't exist um okay anyway go on yeah so I was just also not related but one of my podcasting heroes a guy called John siracusa who I adore he is a huge Star Wars nerd and he has kids and what I love is that he has simply deny the existence of the original three movies within his household so how fun were they well he knows that they will but his strategy apparently is to have his kids exist long enough without ever having seen them that they will be able to distinguish between the good originals and the terrible prequels because I ran across this in my students enough work where kids who saw them in similar time frames we're not necessarily able to distinguish ones from the other which is horrifying to me yeah um but anyway we're getting derailed so what I would say is is like that that is one of the problems is that this power of the control of distribution in this one particular case has has led to some cultural problems yeah and and that's that is that is the reason why I picked George Lucas as an example in my video is because this is such a fundamental problem it's like if there were limited copyright there would be hope of the original format of the movies entering back into into the world and this is one of the reasons why Congress has extended copyright protections is because their argument is it gives the creators encouragement to preserve their original works for longer and there's some interesting data that says that's not actually the case that what happens is the original works just get lost over longer periods of time but in this particular case with George Lucas it's also very obvious that the original work gets distorted and you know it is increasingly hard to try and find as it aired in 1977 versions of the original movie I personally have never seen this thing but I have heard that on the Internet you might be able to find somewhere a thing called Star Wars despecialized edition x' where superfans have taken the current Star Wars movies and tried to make them as close as possible to the original cinematic releases as they happen again I would not know of where to acquire such a thing because it would obviously be copyright infringement um and it would be frowned upon that as creators esos as I created myself I could never condone such an action for such an incredibly important historical thing that I personally love you know so I will I will take the high road here but I'm just like throwing it out there that there exists this thing called the Star Wars despecialized edition I'll tell you something else yeah I mean obviously I'm imagining you've seen people versus George Lucas the film I actually have not well I highly highly recommend that it's on my list as I'm not so during what we just discussed I can't recommend that highly enough but also for people out there who are probably like grey and I and spend way too much time reading Wikipedia articles reading it the story of the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassinated it comes to you know copyright and ownership of material and things like that's a really interesting story well I'm sure we won't go into it now but if if I after this podcast people wouldn't go and read something that's a good read as well yeah let me ask you a final question because obviously we've been going for over here if you were going to make another copyright video then or remake your original one of course you would preserve the original for the archives but I don't know I worry differently is there anything you'd say differently or do you do you think you pretty much have the same position I I was thinking about that earlier today and I don't know that the argument that I want to be made can be made within the context of the of the kinds of videos I put on YouTube a coherent argument for limited copyright is hard to make because I I think that it is or it is a real gray area of law it requires a large amount of time and it's also a topic that there is no clearly correct answer and as a as a little example I just want to throw into to put that point there's a thought process that I learned what I was doing physics back at University and it's this question of in certain situations take the problem to infinity and take the problem to zero and so say you know what would a world be like if we had infinite copyright if Congress just said oh the heck with these extensions we're just literally going to make it forever yeah you know or we have a world where Congress says you know no copyright at all zero and when I think of those two worlds if I had to pick I pick the world with the infinite copyright right I think there would be there would be problems with that but I think that is preferable to a world with zero copyright protection and so that that that is kind of one of the ways that gets me to this I am for limited copyright protection I am NOT for no copyright protection but I'll put a link in the blog post for this episode but there is a very very interesting TED talk by a woman talking about the fashion industry and how in the United States at least fashion designs do not have copyright protection at all so the fashion industry is a world where there is ZERO copyright hmm and she makes a very convincing argument that this is nothing but beneficial to the fashion world because it encourages tremendous turnover of styles right that if one company comes out with a particular style of dress there's a delay in time before other companies can come out with it too simply because of ramping up manufacturing capabilities yeah but it means that everybody has to keep generating new things much more quickly and this is this leads into my like well it's hard to have a definitive opinion because I am convinced that the fashion industry is better off without having copyright protection and I think there's some very specific reasons why that's the case but I don't I don't think that same argument applies in other creative fields so it's a it's a very complicated very complicated issue I think if nothing else we have shown that it is complicated yes as always it has been a pleasure all right I will lik start yeah catch you next time all right we got to forget a few things to discuss for next time we're ready I'm making some notes let's go go do you Mac catch you look good all right take care man bye
 
'''Brady:''' Yeah.
 
'''Grey:''' -but they also don't have the same kind of oversight that a TV news organization would have.
 
'''Brady:''' Yeah.
 
'''Grey:''' Right? I think a TV news organization would have enough infrastructure to say "listen guys let's not risk this", you know, "we're- we're in the video industry world, this is a bigger problem" and so I think newspapers are at this interesting crux where they're just,- they're under a lot of pressure, and maybe don't have the same kind of oversight as- as video news would, but, anyway, that's just- I always like to complain about the news if I possibly can, and-
 
'''Brady:''' Oh no...
 
'''Grey:''' -newspapers, you know, [laughs] they're not exactly- they're not earning my love, with the way they treat YouTubers.
 
'''Brady:''' Another You- another YouTuber who's a- who we both know who I won't name, uh, but, he- he's had that happen to him a lot as well, and he, um, he's starting to get a bit more hard about it, and then writing to the papers and saying, "yeah, okay buddy, thanks for replacing it but that's not good enough; you need to pay me a fee for what you just did", and he's had some success with that, and they've started to say "aw, okay", so I think they kind of- maybe they're realizing, but it's- it's scandalous, and the lies, and the- anyway I'm not going to sit here and-
 
'''Grey:''' [chuckles]
 
'''Brady:''' -I mean, I used to work for a tabloid newspaper, and, you know, I'm- I'm not going to sit here in whinge about newspapers.
 
'''Grey:''' [chuckles] No, we will, eventually we'll talk about the news,-
 
'''Brady:''' We will, yeah, we will eventually [inaudible]
 
'''Grey:''' and then you can let it all pour out, let it all pour out.
 
'''Brady:''' They're very naughty, they're very naughty, there very naughty about it, and they're very, um, sparing in their, um, giving of, you know, links or credit as well, you know.
 
'''Grey:''' Yeah, yeah.
 
'''Brady:''' I had one, I had one video that was, um- oh, I could say what video was, it was the one where I went into the- the Bank of England gold bullion vault. Uh, and obviously that was- that's not an- a thing you see every day,-
 
'''Grey:''' Right.
 
'''GreyBrady:''' -and so they'll just delay and delay until they can see the traffic has dropped off and you know then then the place it if you're lucky but yeah news newspapers are by far the worst and my guess here's my guess about this is that I think they're under just tremendous financial constraints because of changing technology yeah but they also don't have the same kind of oversight that a TV news organization would have right I think a TV news organization would have enough infrastructure to say listen guys let's not risk this you know we're in the video industry world this is a bigger problem and so I think newspapers are at this interesting crux where they're just they're under a lot of pressure and maybe don't have the same kind of oversight as video news would but anyway that's just I always like to complain about the news if I possibly can and newspapers you know it's not exactly they're not earning my love with a baby tree another youtuber who's a who we both know who I won't name but he's had that happen to him a lot as well and he um he's starting to get a bit more hard about it and then writing to the papers and saying yeah okay buddy thanks replacing it but that's not good enough you need to pay me a fee for what you just did and he's had some success with that and they've started to say okay so I think they kind of maybe they're realizing but it's scandalous and the lies and anyway I'm not going to say on I mean I used to work for a tabloid newspaper you know I'm I'm not going to sit here in whinge about newspapers no we're well eventually we'll talk we will yeah we were led to it and then we can let it all pour out it all pour out there very naughty very naughty there very naughty about her and they're very sparing in their giving of you know links or credit as well you know I had one I had one video that was oh I could say what video was it was the one where I went into the the Bank of England gold bullion vault and obviously that was that's not an thing you see every day soSo, a few people wanted to use and I had one newspaper contact me and say can we use the video in an article and we want to put it in our own player and I said well no can you please use the YouTube player so that if people watch surely no they're going to watch the same video anyway and they were like okay we'll think about it and because I forget he specifically told them they couldn't put it in their player and it was in a conversation so they couldn't back on that and instead I think they must have taken 1015 screengrabs mm-hmm and just made a huge picture gallery of all the pictures from it's like yeah goodness sake so naughty anyway okay so what while we've been complaining about all of these these things okay we are a couple of grumpy admin right now we might never be stuff right now we are if anyone is still survived listening through the complaints of youtubers right first world youtuber problems thank you happy right issues yeah I would just go I would go back to one of the little notes that I wanted to make is the advantage of allowing copyright to expire and you know you talked about why should people be able to build on on george lucas's stuff yeah you know as an example and I think what some examples of this which is very interesting it like you can retell stories in much more interesting ways and I have I have two examples that I really like okay the first one this might be slightly embarrassing but we could admit it anyway is the I think is 1996 movie called clueless starring Silverstone yeah not that film um which is one of those movies when I first saw it I know I thought this was just the dumbest movie ever made and for anyone who hasn't seen it I highly recommend that you do watch it but it is on the surface it is basically a movie about the dumbest California Valley Girls you've ever seen yeah and and the exploits of their life however later on I came to find out that the that clueless is a remake of Jane Austen's Emma right that it it is the exact plot of Emma just moved to this different setting and once you know that I think the movie clueless becomes kind of brilliant um I think it's they're so sloppy though isn't it that's like oh I wasn't willing to admit I liked this film until I realized was based on something old well Amos yes III will totally admit that that that does sound terrible cuz I've often heard it said anyway the sort of jane austen stuff was considered reasonably not that highbrow at its time as well so yeah I've heard that kind of stuff um Mercy's fallacies yeah I don't I don't know either but um I've heard similar things and of course you know thing things gain respect through time you know just because it's old it's it's sort of awesome um don't get me started on on Shakespeare um but so I but so this is an example where I think clueless is the kind of movie that could be made right because the copyright on Emma had expired yeah and you can do interesting things with that story by moving it to a different setting and I think that there there is cultural value in being able to do new things with iconic characters right that I think at a certain point very successful films and very successful books they become part of the culture and and that is also why I'm kind of very much for some eventual limit on copyright that so them so that more can be done with these things in the future I'm a second example that I have which I only recently discovered and then I had one of these binge watching sessions is the BBC's remake of Sherlock the Sherlock Holmes series how good if I have you said you seen them oh they they're awesome so I think actually as we are talking the season 3 finale is airing on the BBC right now which I'm looking forward to yeah but I basically only discovered these about a month ago yeah and I watched the first one and as and I was like I I can't stop watching how right I have to keep watching this and I and I've just binge watched the first two and a half seasons available at that point and it was great and I think that this is another example of like Sherlock Holmes is so much more than the original author ever intended him to be right he's like he is such a part art of the like the Anglosphere culture at this point that I think that it is fair enough to say that that his character belongs in the public domain and other people can do things with this kind of story I mean Sherlock might not be the best example because I know there's lots of clever nuanced - nods to the Conan Doyle books but is this not just a case again I know sure that's not the best example but I'll run with it is this not a case of someone you know some clever story tellers and good actors and good directors making a brilliant piece of film something that's compelling but then just appropriating a famous name and brand that has worked its way into culture to help sell their product I mean you could you could make a bunch of rip-roaring detective films just like that about you know a guy and his assistant hmm that would that would on the surface be just as good but less people would watch it because it hasn't got an iconic name like Sherlock and things like that so in some ways I see what you're saying they've built your building on things and you're building on things in culture in other ways I think they're just being there being a bit lazy they're making something good but then they're appealing to our culture which doesn't like anything and this is already famous and stamping that honour in much the same way when you make a science documentary on the BBC no matter what the topic is you're like well we can't do this unless it's someone who's already famous presenting it there is stamping Fame on things because our culture is so obsessed with Fame I I think I think that's getting off into a different argument slightly about about Fame right yeah and also I think the you know there's some great there's some great charts about the number of sequels right that have been made in movies recently and and this similar kind of idea right that people want to buy what they already know yeah and my my opinion on the bad sequels thing is like I don't care how many bad sequels are made I only care about the good sequels because I don't have to watch the bad sequels yeah and my opinion is that yeah there's a bunch of stuff that's made that people watch it because it's Sherlock Holmes and now I have another great Sherlock Holmes example which is the Robert Downey jr. Sherlock Holmes movie right which I watched only because it was a Sherlock Holmes movie yeah I started to watch it for that reason I had to stop after about yeah minutes but yeah there's no reason I would have watched that movie if it was not a Sherlock Holmes movie as like I found it moderately enjoyable but they would have not gotten my money if it was not for a Sherlock Holmes name on it right because I've read the Sherlock Holmes stories like and I'm interested in this and so I wanted to see that interpretation which like yeah it's okay but you know I didn't watch the second one um but to me the the BBC Sherlock is is like the shining example of what you can do and I think that those those stories are great they're made better because it's Sherlock Holmes because you can see like what changes have they made to these characters or what have they kept the same you know what's different now that they've moved it into a modern setting that's a fair point I think it gains value from contrasts with the originals that it wouldn't have if it was a standalone piece yeah and so that's why I think it's it's great that people can do this and although it will it would never happen I would love it if there was um you know if I say the copyright limit was 60 years that when I was older I could watch somebody redo the original Star Wars movies III think that like there is room for them to be redone in an awesome way but with current copyright lasting forever that will never happen you know and and that that will never be able to occur yeah so we just have to put up with how George Lucas himself matey's new films yeah and again that this is why George Lucas is always like the easy one to pick on right because he made new Star Wars movies and they have been generally they have been generally panned and here's the thing right like generally pay that was a very yeah diplomatic stayin job but but here's the things like I I don't hold any grudges against him and and here's one of the other things with going back to like what allows us to make our living the control over the distribution this Star Wars comes up for a very particular reason copyright debates and it's it's partly because the power of the control of the distribution is what has allowed George Lucas to basically prevent showings of the original Star Wars movies as they first aired yes right and this this again is like could not be a more first world kind of problem yeah but if you are a person who kind of cares about the cultural history of the world you know if you're looking at movies for example Star Wars is undoubtedly a moment in that cultural history yeah but you cannot get the original versions of those Star Wars very naughty it's very naughty of amuse enough yeah and I think that's where a lot of the resentment comes from is people saying you know nobody begrudges making those new movies is like oh god you know or I think nobody writes a grudge a little bit I I would say I hold no I hold no ill will in my heart for the making of those movies like he this is the same thing they just they in my mind just fall into the category of the bad things I don't have to watch the bad things I saw them once I will never see them again but what I know I've been watching but it but if you see them once I'm sorry I know this isn't about Star Wars I've been watching the originals again lately because they're on telly and I love them so I watched them and things that happen in the originals now kept giving me flashbacks to those subsequent prequels and it was tainting the originals for me because I was thinking uh they just they just don't exist um okay anyway go on yeah so I was just also not related but one of my podcasting heroes a guy called John siracusa who I adore he is a huge Star Wars nerd and he has kids and what I love is that he has simply deny the existence of the original three movies within his household so how fun were they well he knows that they will but his strategy apparently is to have his kids exist long enough without ever having seen them that they will be able to distinguish between the good originals and the terrible prequels because I ran across this in my students enough work where kids who saw them in similar time frames we're not necessarily able to distinguish ones from the other which is horrifying to me yeah um but anyway we're getting derailed so what I would say is is like that that is one of the problems is that this power of the control of distribution in this one particular case has has led to some cultural problems yeah and and that's that is that is the reason why I picked George Lucas as an example in my video is because this is such a fundamental problem it's like if there were limited copyright there would be hope of the original format of the movies entering back into into the world and this is one of the reasons why Congress has extended copyright protections is because their argument is it gives the creators encouragement to preserve their original works for longer and there's some interesting data that says that's not actually the case that what happens is the original works just get lost over longer periods of time but in this particular case with George Lucas it's also very obvious that the original work gets distorted and you know it is increasingly hard to try and find as it aired in 1977 versions of the original movie I personally have never seen this thing but I have heard that on the Internet you might be able to find somewhere a thing called Star Wars despecialized edition x' where superfans have taken the current Star Wars movies and tried to make them as close as possible to the original cinematic releases as they happen again I would not know of where to acquire such a thing because it would obviously be copyright infringement um and it would be frowned upon that as creators esos as I created myself I could never condone such an action for such an incredibly important historical thing that I personally love you know so I will I will take the high road here but I'm just like throwing it out there that there exists this thing called the Star Wars despecialized edition I'll tell you something else yeah I mean obviously I'm imagining you've seen people versus George Lucas the film I actually have not well I highly highly recommend that it's on my list as I'm not so during what we just discussed I can't recommend that highly enough but also for people out there who are probably like grey and I and spend way too much time reading Wikipedia articles reading it the story of the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassinated it comes to you know copyright and ownership of material and things like that's a really interesting story well I'm sure we won't go into it now but if if I after this podcast people wouldn't go and read something that's a good read as well yeah let me ask you a final question because obviously we've been going for over here if you were going to make another copyright video then or remake your original one of course you would preserve the original for the archives but I don't know I worry differently is there anything you'd say differently or do you do you think you pretty much have the same position I I was thinking about that earlier today and I don't know that the argument that I want to be made can be made within the context of the of the kinds of videos I put on YouTube a coherent argument for limited copyright is hard to make because I I think that it is or it is a real gray area of law it requires a large amount of time and it's also a topic that there is no clearly correct answer and as a as a little example I just want to throw into to put that point there's a thought process that I learned what I was doing physics back at University and it's this question of in certain situations take the problem to infinity and take the problem to zero and so say you know what would a world be like if we had infinite copyright if Congress just said oh the heck with these extensions we're just literally going to make it forever yeah you know or we have a world where Congress says you know no copyright at all zero and when I think of those two worlds if I had to pick I pick the world with the infinite copyright right I think there would be there would be problems with that but I think that is preferable to a world with zero copyright protection and so that that that is kind of one of the ways that gets me to this I am for limited copyright protection I am NOT for no copyright protection but I'll put a link in the blog post for this episode but there is a very very interesting TED talk by a woman talking about the fashion industry and how in the United States at least fashion designs do not have copyright protection at all so the fashion industry is a world where there is ZERO copyright hmm and she makes a very convincing argument that this is nothing but beneficial to the fashion world because it encourages tremendous turnover of styles right that if one company comes out with a particular style of dress there's a delay in time before other companies can come out with it too simply because of ramping up manufacturing capabilities yeah but it means that everybody has to keep generating new things much more quickly and this is this leads into my like well it's hard to have a definitive opinion because I am convinced that the fashion industry is better off without having copyright protection and I think there's some very specific reasons why that's the case but I don't I don't think that same argument applies in other creative fields so it's a it's a very complicated very complicated issue I think if nothing else we have shown that it is complicated yes as always it has been a pleasure all right I will lik start yeah catch you next time all right we got to forget a few things to discuss for next time we're ready I'm making some notes let's go go do you Mac catch you look good all right take care man bye
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